Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Special PTSA Meeting on School Consolidation

   
special joint PTSA meeting has been called for Wednesday night, January 18, at 7:00 pm, in the Apollo Cafeteria. Interested families from Odyssey, Apollo, and Olympia are invited to attend. At that time principals and other staff will be on hand to answer as many questions as possible about the school consolidation proposals from the January 10, Board of Education meeting.

SCATS ~~ How interesting that I could only find this notice on the Odyssey PTSA website, and not that of the other schools ;)

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

The message is probably being translated into Spanish so it can be placed on those other sites. That can take a little extra time.

Anonymous said...

There was a connect ed call to Apollo families :) I got one. However we can not attend as we have a concert tonight at Apollo. This is the second such mtg. that has overlapped a long time scheduled BH event. Makes it very difficult for BH parents with kids in both schools to attend a mtg for Apollo PTSA.

SCATS said...

To 4:55AM ~~ LMAO!! Good one :)

To 8:37AM ~~ Are you suggesting that Odyssey families only got the message via the website? I highly suspect that Odyssey's principal called for this meeting, once again. Only because Babs got involved last time Suzie put out the alarm are the rest of you "invited" this time ;)

Anonymous said...

SCATS and this blog sure sound like a bunch of the occupy protesters. Crying like the rest the 99% over what the 1% of the Greece population has done for their school. Perhaps the people that post on this blog need to learn that this is how the world actually works. Odyssey has gotten their test scores because of hard work and dedication. Just like Ruth Williams eluded to in the paper, the teachers and staff at Odyssey go the extra mile in order to have a safe, personalized, and rigorous learning environment.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:37 and SCATS... doesn't this seem quite convenient to have scheduled such an important meeting to overlap an Apollo event? Hmmmm

My thoughts are that the other lomg-standing commitment could have been rescheduled or taken into consideration?

Anonymous said...

The governor want teacher evaluation as part of school aid from the state. I propose the following criteria for teachers (think back to why you choose Wegmans, Tops, Aldi, etc- we all make evaluations every day. It isn't rocket science!
1. How well they know the subject
2. How well they involve the individual student in learning/ school
3. How much have they learned about teaching or their subject matter in the past year. Are they growing?
4. How prepared are they for their classes
5.As a group, how well are their student from this year doing at grade level vs. last year and the year before? (This one takes some computers to create averages, but I think we have IT people. Also needs to be modified for 1st and 2nd year teachers)
6. What do the parents think about the teacher.

Notice I only had one criteria about how the students are doing on the std tests, and it is relative to the aggregate performance of those students over the past years.

I think it is time to get past the idea we cannot evaluate teachers, and move to the discussion of HOW we evaluate teachers. After all, EVERYONE evaluates teachers, physicians, dentists, hospitals, grocery stores. cars, dealers. etc, etc etc. Let's get the discussion where it belongs.

SCATS said...

To 5:27PM ~~ You can give up your phony arguments about how Odyssey rose to the "top." We're ALL privy to the "secret" now. The BOE has dared to utter how the folks who attend Odyssey are almost entirely from the Olympia feeder pattern ... trying to escape the district's poorest performing HS. And let's NOT forget that under the Interim Supt's watch the community told the BOE that schools-of-choice were the #1 reason WHY they voted no on the GCSD budget!

To 5:40PM ~~ I've been informed that at least one of the PTSA President's was NOT told about the meeting that's being held tonight. So, I think I was correct that this was a meeting called by Odyssey for Odyssey ... and inviting anyone else to attend was done only to keep Suzie out of hot water with Babs ... once again.

To 7:14PM ~~ Something I would add to your evaluation is ensuring that teachers keep abreast of changes in their fields, especially as it relates to science & technology.

Anonymous said...

5:27 I take objection to your comment about OA. While my child works hard and does well she has 1/4 of her class has academic and emotional needs and ONE TEACHER. This class is not unique to classrooms in Greece, but those classrooms DO NOT EXIST AT OA!!!!! If my child's teacher, let alone their school, had a only class of children that were high achievers, dedicated , and with active parents their school too would be a success. I am tired of the complaining that OA children are better an more deserving. I am tired of the chant that the success is because of the teachers. NOT ONE OF MY CHILDREN HAS attended OA and WE too have had EXCELLENT TEACHERS. OA is a success because of who attends period. There is nothing magical about it.

Charlie Hubbard said...

7:14 - good posting. You offer some interesting ideas.

For everyones benefit please consider what might happen if the union got behind the idea of eliminating 'social promotion'. Administration and or the school board won't address it.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

Scats@ 10:40 am AS per the connect ed call I was not implying anything just saying that we got the call, Monday night actually at 4:32 pm that a special mtg had been called. Stated it was joint with the OA PTSA. I figured that OA got the same notice if not more.

I agree that Apollo families are and after thought.

Anonymous said...

I have a solution.

Move OA to Apollo.
Instead of populating it with a lottery, or an attendance zone, use it for the 1/4 of kids with additional academic/emotional needs.
These kids should thrive in the small class, dedicated teacher environment offered by OA.
Then the rest of the kids will thrive in classrooms without constant distraction.

Anonymous said...

9:35 Great plan!

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever tracked OA grads and what they do after high school/college? A matched comparison with other greece kids with similar families and similar grades in elementary school would be informative. Do they go on in great numbers to be top in their fields? Over and above what other similar kids from Greece do?
This would make a great thesis.

Crickets chirping!?

Anonymous said...

Isn't Charlie down with the other seniors in "Occupy Florida"

Anonymous said...

QUESTION: If the BOE chooses not to vote for these recommendations or diminishes them, where will they CUT instead? We have a 7 million dollar budget gap. There are going to be cuts no matter what but if this 2.2 million is not "saved" here, then where? Art, music, sports or ACADEMICS?
These recommendations seem to meet the criteria set forth by the BOE last summer. Whether the criteria set forth was right or not is a different question.

SCATS said...

To 6:37AM ~~ That's a great idea! Of the several that I know personally through friends, one is gainfully employed, one has made a career in the military, one has become a professional student accumulating nearly 6 figures in student loan debt, one is an unemployed "teacher" living out-of-state (has the credentials, but failed to land "the" job), one was working in a warehouse, quit that job to go backpack Europe several years ago & now lives unemployed with mom & dad ...

SCATS said...

To 9:07AM ~~ Jealous??

To 9:17AM ~~ At the regular monthly BOE meeting, Babs' ending comments to the BOE were on this subject. She warned about the great need to focus on the academics. I'd say that there are going to be some BIG shake-ups coming with sports and extra-curriculars ;)

It's gratifying to see that the things SCATS has been saying must be done are finally starting to get attended to, even if it is three years or so later ;)

We can no long afford to be all things to all people.

Anonymous said...

Hi, SCATS, your idea about keeping current in their field is correct. That is what I had in mind in items 1 and 3, but you said it much more clearly!

Anonymous said...

To 9:19: You state that none of your children have attended OA yet you seem to "know" that OA doesn't have classroom inclusion of students with disabilities? Wow, I you idiotic comment speaks for itself. Furthermore, not including students with learning disabilities in the classroom is quite illegal. Knowing which students have disabilities is confidential.

What I do know is that OA does have a substantial special education department and they include their students in every classroom just like the rest of Greece. Traditionally, students chose Odyssey because they didn't fit in at their homeschool, were picked on, didn't fit in socially, weren't receiving an education that fit their needs, etc... It turns out that many of these students were/are students with special needs or learning disabled.

It appears as though every parent that doesn't have a kid in OA is jealous of OA. They simply want it gone because they are not part of it. Yet no student at OA will ever say that they would receive a better and more personalized education if they went to another school. Odyssey students fit OA, and not every student in the GCSD fit OA. Many of the students in the GCSD would find that OA doesn't fit their educational needs, social needs, and especially their extracurricular needs. So what about the kids? Should this be about their needs?! Not just your jealously complex because you were never picked by the winning team in gym class?

Anonymous said...

Didn't Greece use to do some sort of "Where are they now?" thing to track what their graduates have been doing?

SCATS said...

To 12:26PM ~~ State Ed stats are public and available online to show the numbers of students considered as special ed in each of Greece's schools, even the few at Odyssey ;) There is nothing "substantial" about it.

Anonymous said...

12:26 OA may have services for the academically SE but they do not have program for the ED population that is prevalent in ALL other Greece schools. As an employee of Greece that is the truth!

SCATS said...

To 4:10PM ~~ The ED population!? Aren't they a bit young to have ED??

Anonymous said...

I love hearing the OA fans brag. Lets see how the 400 former apollo kids do in the OA program. then we'll know if it really was OA, or just the fact that the kids were "selected".

Anonymous said...

ED classification as in Emotionally Disturbed

Anonymous said...

I know now first hand that Greece is bussing in students from the city am they are not homeless. Can anyone tell me how or why this is happening?

Anonymous said...

The 400 former Apollo kids will do just fine, as long as they are a hand selected group, which they will be. I have already heard that the squeaky wheel will get the oil, as far as who stays at Apollo and who gets voted off the island. Translation: The Apollo families that create the biggest bitch, will be taken care of. This means that the more the family is involved, the better the chance the kid stays. I was told that promises have already been given to certain families that their kid will stay.

Boy, I’m sure glad Babs has fixed the mess here!

SCATS said...

To 8:52PM ~~ Please tell us more! Am I surprised? Not in the least, but I'd love to here about the how & why.

To 9:10PM ~~ Different faces, same games. The more things change, the more things stay the same. I can't wait to see the shocked look on the faces of the sports boosters when they are told entire teams will be deleted to make ends meet in a budget where DO has bent over backwards to lessen the change for the SOC folks. Closing a couple buildings couldn't have been made more complicated if they tried ;)

Anonymous said...

The thought of sports being cut or least trimmed is sad. That said, a district only has 'X' number of dollars to spend each year. In Greece it's been decided that we'd rather spend our money on unnecessary diesel fuel than education (for all) or sports. The real screw will be when those who have been and continue to attend their 'home/neighborhood school' get their sports programs tinkered with. They will yet again be victims of SOC.

Thanks for fixing everything Babs!

Anonymous said...

The Superintendent made recommendations based on criteria that the BOE set out in the summer. SOC were clearly not on the table for elimination. Balancing demographics with attendance zones should cut some busing distances.

SCATS said...

To 10:38AM ~~ With regards to the budget, it is PAINFULLY CLEAR that the BOE's recommendations barely scratched the surface of the job that needs to be done. Of course, there was NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION concerning keeping (or eliminating) SOCs when the Interim was leaving. It was a given with this group who each have something to gain by retaining them. Can you say "self-serving"?

Anonymous said...

10:38, Why in the world would taxpayers support something that you yourself says, "should cut some busing distances"? That is ridiculous! "It should", "Some busing"!? Are you kidding me?

All the studies, all the committees, all the recommendations, the audits, all the wasted time, all the ripping apart of neighborhoods in a district that has gone down, down, down in results and we are left with a solution that... "should cut some busing distances".

This district is doomed. This time next year the arguments involving SOC vs. neighborhood school will be even more on the forefront. This lady had a real chance to make a real difference in the district and she caved. Whether she realized it or not, the SOC parents were more prepared that ever to hear their special “ride” was over. Instead she allowed herself to sell out to a select few.

Charlie Hubbard said...

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question from several weeks ago - what is the 'purpose' of schools of choice?

The 'purpose' when they were started are no longer. I have no choice but to assume it is all based on touchy/feely. I agree with 3:11 this lady is blowing a perfect opportunity to 'unite' this district and community and she is doing it to make a few self/centered people happy.

VERY disappointed to see the sibling rule and open enrollment continue.
Thanks to this 'half/baked' approch the true 'problem' will continue - yes we seem intent on kicking the can down the road by putting a different shade of lipstick on the pig.

Anonymous said...

I was 10;38 My only point was the BOE set the limits on the Superintendent- thats all. I agree that SOC have made a mess in this district but put blame where blame should be. It is very difficult to close award winning schools even if they got there by excluding low income families. My fear is the BOE won't even do these changes "short" as they are.

SCATS said...

To 8:47AM ~~ I have just two things to say to you.

1 - We've been told since West Ridge reopened in 1990 as a "learning laboratory" that practices that work would be shared. It's NEVER EVER HAPPENED, and I have no reason to believe it ever will. In other words, that offer is too little, much too late to appease anyone.

2 - Re: "It is very difficult to close award winning schools even if they got there by excluding low income families." REALLY!? I think all it takes is an announcement by a school board with a backbone and it will be done! I wonder how the Feds would react to GCSD if they were to hear the statement I quoted from you ...?

Anonymous said...

Maybe that's why suddenly our BOE cares about the demographics, maybe the FEDS/NYS are putting pressure on the BOE. I agree SOC should have been closed but our BOE has no backbone- obviously

SCATS said...

To 12:13AM ~~ I think it may actually be the case ... time will tell ;)

Anonymous said...

It seems like we have been debating this point about schools of choice for at least 3 years. Here is a link to a past thread of scats blog. Good stuff:

http://greeceschool2006.blogspot.com/2009/03/another-boe-meeting-quote-to-note.html

SCATS said...

To 4:14PM ~~ In reality, I suspect you will find I've debated it on one level or another for the entire SIX YEARS since starting this BLOG. Anyway, ty for the link. It's worth reviewing ;)