Sunday, January 08, 2012

Odyssey Parent Behavior Questioned

  
Anonymous said...

I'm going to wait to see what the supers recommendations are come Tuesday before I make a opinion. I heard some odyssey parents griping at wegmans today it sounded like they were told by their administration what the recommendations were most likely going to be. From their complaining i did not get the impression that it was going to be two different schools at all, they were complaining about how big the population was now going to be and how they needed to storm the board with survey comments and recruit people to come to the public meeting and demand that odyssey be unchanged, one of the woman pointed out that it had always worked in the past andvwith gayles support they were sure it would be put off for at least another year. I am sure they were pointing the finger at me as I walked past them in my Arcadia sports sweatshirt with my son. They probally were thinking there goes one of those undesirable kids we are trying to shelter our kids from cohabitating with now. I really hope others respond to the survey and show up and not only these kinds of parents that are going to put on a show for thevboard because their sort of bullying tactics have worked before, and in hope the board doesn't fall for it again. It is sad watching adults plan and ploy openly in public for others to see, I am pretty sure many of the kids working at wegmans are students of Greece and attend schools other than odyssey, imagine how they feel listening to this. They certainly were not role models, if that is how odyssey families behave I can positively say I am glad my kids didn't make the cut, I am happy they are attending their neighborhood schools, I now truly believe they will be better off in the future for it. They will not grow up believing they are a superior group, as it seems this is what their parents are teaching them by their behavior. I hope the kids do not get to see that you get what you want by acting this way, shame on the board if they let them.    1/07/2012 11:32 PM
   

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Odyssey should close! The classism and racism that OA has fostered in this district is pathetic. I don't think the BOE could get away with continuing the status quo again, too much attention is being put on the segregation that has been allowed to happen. If the BOE leaves OA as is, there will be HUGE cuts in other programs to pay for it!

SCATS said...

To 3:39PM ~~ Moving OA into Apollo & running two schools within doesn't leave "OA as is" but very close to it ;) It's quite clever actually.

Anonymous said...

even if we disagree they have the right to organize and protest

Anonymous said...

What a load of crap. The proposal isn't to run two different schools in the Apollo building. Why keep lying about it?

Anonymous said...

Either we are ONE school district or not.

Those getting special treatment with added costs cannot continue.

THEY are very self centered people who don't give a damn about the district in total.

SCATS said...

To 5:41PM ~~ This is from the FAQ Sheet:
"Will the proposed Odyssey move to Apollo create a combined school or two different schools?
It will become one Odyssey 6-12 school. The Administrative Task Force (Secondary Sub Committee) studied two parallel “House” schedules to continue the small school schedule with a larger group of students. This
would enable the smaller learning community model to continue. It is anticipated that all middle and high school schedules will be reviewed for the 2013-14 school year as the district prepares to implement Common Core Standards in a fiscally constrained environment. It is anticipated that the incoming 6th grade class at Odyssey will reflect district demographics in fall 2012."


The wording is VERY CLEVER!! It never uses the terms "combined" or "two different schools" in the response. It will be ONE BUILDING with TWO PARALLEL SCHEDULES ~~ one for existing OA kids and another for the kids who come in east of Mt. Read Blvd. "to enable the smaller learning community model to continue." Capisce?

Also, they make a big deal about how the incoming 6th grade will reflect district demographics. Well, DUH!! The elite will continue with IB along with the current OA group & Odyssey for Dummies from East of Mt. Read will fill out the demographics (and the roster) for the "parallel schedule."

Anonymous said...

You forgot to include this part from the FAQ, an innocent oversight, I'm sure:


If Odyssey were to move to Apollo, would current Odyssey students be separate from
neighborhood students?
Concepts such as Schools within Schools, Smaller Learning Communities, middle school teams, and parallel
schedules are all designed to assign students and teachers to groups so relationships can be built and high
achievement can occur. There is a perception that Schools within Schools would have Odyssey students
scheduled separately from neighborhood students. That is not the case.

SCATS said...

To 7:51PM ~~ I didn't overlook it at all. Read it again, carefully. It says the SCHEDULES will be the same. Two parallel schedules for TWO PARALLEL SCHOOLS.

The new Odyssey kids from east of Mt. Read won't be sitting next to current OA students in most classrooms, if any at all.

SCATS said...

Here's two questions that should be answered in a VERY straightforward, simple way by DO/BOE if they weren't playing word games:

1 ~ Yes or No: Will the classrooms reflect district demographics?

2 ~ Yes or No: Will classrooms reflect a heterogeneous/mixed group of students from BOTH the current OA as well as the new/incoming students?

Anonymous said...

This is pulled from the op, the hint is in there:

". I heard some odyssey parents griping at wegmans today it sounded like they were told by their administration what the recommendations were most likely going to be. From their complaining i did not get the impression that it was going to be two different schools at all..."

SCATS said...

To 11:29PM ~~ If you want to believe that, fine. I'll stick with what district office wrote & posted to the GCSD website, unless/until they post something explicitly stating that ALL students who attend the "new" combined Odyssey will be co-mingled for academic classes.

Anonymous said...

D&C wrote today that the district rate for free/reduced lunch is 26% this year. Either the D&C is mistaken or the rate has significantly dropped since 2009/2010 reported stats (38%). Does anyone know the stat for this year?

Anonymous said...

D&C reported the Free lunch rate not the conbined rate of free/reduced (2009/2010). I am sure it was just an oversight- not intended to sway anyones opinion...

Anonymous said...

They are considering closing Paddy Hill? That would be the only closing that wasn't just a moving around. That would save money.

The moving of Odyssey to Apollo will not save any money. It will only save the cost of the utilities of the old hoover building. Salaries are the highest cost in this organization and the odyssey and its duplicate but poorer school housed at Apollo will have just as many staff as the present Apollo and Odyssey. She should just get rid of the schools of choice and put those kids back in theri home schools and redraw boundary lines if necessary. Get rid of the Westridge building and give it to Christa. Get rid of the Hoover building and let the original family take it back and start paying taxes on it. Sell the barnard building since it has been vacant for at least a year.
Also what did they do with the gym at Barnard? No one knows. Did Steve and Keith take that too?

Anonymous said...

It looks like the proposal outlined in the d+c is the same one the super proposed before all this so called community input.

SCATS said...

Apparently, the D&C reads this BLOG to get the corrected stats ;) lol

SCATS said...

To 11:45AM ~~ Well, District Office is very happy with the 150 comments they received on their survey of parents of 12,000 kids! Sounds like the Odyssey folks are still the tail that's wagging the dog (and the BOE). Nothing new here, except the faces that changed.

Anonymous said...

Wow, 150 comments. They need a random survey if they want to talk about the results in public.

I guess the superintendent still hasn't caught on to how large this distrcit is.

Anonymous said...

I resent the implication that anyone who lives "east of Mt. Read" is somehow an undesirable. The comments posted on this blog about people who live on the east side of town are indefensible. I happen to live on the east side of town and graduated from Olympia as did my spouse. By the way, we have 5 post-high school degrees between the both of us and of these, 2 are Master's degrees and work in professional positions. Our children have graduated from Arcadia, with valedictory honors and have gone on to highly competitive colleges. This past semester they came home with 4.0 grade averages in competitive majors. This constant implication that if you live on the east side of town means that you are somehow less intelligent or worthy than those west of Mt. Read has got to stop. This divisiveness is crazy and I for one am sick of it.

The goal should be to run this district in a world class way which means that all children get the same opportunities to succeed. We need to stop wasting time calling one side of town "dummies" and expect anyone to listen to their point. The only point I get out of these comments is classism and prejudice.

I choose to live within my means, which means my house and cars are paid off ,I don't have credit card debt and my children don't have any student loans. I guess I'm just the dummy who lives east of Mt. Read Blvd.

SCATS said...

To 5:09PM ~~ Don't look now, but this town became divided 20+ years ago when West Ridge reopened as a school-of-choice. The classism you reference has been spoken about for almost as long by disgruntled parents who can't get the same opportunities for their kids as the minority who attend SOCs in Greece. Lengthy waiting lists have built up the frustration for 2 plus decades and now the BOE & DO are playing word games when they could be making meaningful and cost saving changes.

If you are railing against my use of the phrase of "Odyssey for Dummies" then you need to understand that I'm merely mocking the way the current OA group will view the "new" Odyssey students should this ridiculous parallel school concept be instituted. You may resent the idea that the east side has slid in socio-economic terms and crime stats, but you also need to understand that in the last 20 years this town has changed. Even Greece cops refer to Mt. Read Blvd. as a line of demarcation that separates the "city" types from suburbia, not to mention that two active gangs have sprung to life in the same territory. The school district chose the east side of Greece to try to balance the demographics of Odyssey, so there must be something to the idea that the east side is different.

I agree about what GCSD's goal ought to be ... but I don't see a change to that coming under Bab's watch. I hope she proves me wrong and makes a decision about school closings that show she has a clear understanding of what needs to be done, and the guts to actually get 'er done.

As far as your last paragraph goes, welcome to the club! That makes two of us ;)

SCATS said...

To 3:11PM ~~ IF DO didn't have its head up its backside, the spokesperson would have realized that 150 comments for 12,000 students is statistically insignificant. Those results should be thrown out.

Anonymous said...

To 5:09 I could have written this post ...Thank You! The BOE needs to stop placating ADULTs and start focusing on educating ALL the kids in this district! If extra money is to be spent on any particular group it should be the kids who are having trouble performing at grade level (regardless of parents income or education level). So much money, time and talent is WASTED on SOC!
The faculty and staff at OA, PineBrook and Westridge should be using their talents to help kids that , ya know, NEED help!! William Cala wrote an excellent guest essay in the D&C a few weeks ago. We should follow his lead!

Anonymous said...

That survey could be filled out multiple times as long as you used a different computer IP address... so much for a representative sample

Anonymous said...

and 21, now 22 or 23ish comments -- 9 of which are solely from SCATS -- for 12,000 students and 93,000 residents is the end-all be-all?

Anonymous said...

At the time our first kid went to Odyssey, we lived on the "east side". We knew no one from the school, the Chamber of Commerce or local politics and we weren't rich. How did we get in?

SCATS said...

To 6:18PM ~~ Your observation is accurate.

To 7:03PM ~~ I've never said I was the "be all" for anyone. However, I will say that by the numbers, I have many more Facebook friends than district office received in feedback comments ... not to mention almost 6 years of history and approaching 400,000 pageviews since Blogspot began counting them. And I expect I'll still be here when Babs decides to leave, as so many have gone before her ;)

To 7:52PM ~~ Odyssey wasn't always popular. In their early days, they were nearly begging for students. Waiting lists weren't an issue for a number of years ;)

Anonymous said...

Good news 7:52, your kids could still get in. Of course they would have to stay at the "other end of the building". No differences and nothing to see here!

I wonder what the "why close Greece's best performing schools" people will say next year if their overall results are muddied by the eastsider's results. I truly hope all those OA kids get slapped around by the kids who rightfully belong at that school, each and every day. Word!

Anonymous said...

Even if the super does decide to do the right thing it isn't going to amount to anything because the board is going to cave to the sea of purple protestors that are going to come out tomorrow and next tuesday. It can almost be predicted.."dont rush and make the move this year,....don't make odyssey one school with Apollo...etc." the board will see these masses as the majority voice not just the loudest because others are afraid to speak out in front of others. They will get cold feet and say they need more time to study it. I'm sure they are all for taking over the Apollo building and getting the sports facilities, but they don't want to have to share the rest of the building with any non odyssey folks. This community shoul cast a vote of no confidence on the board if they take the easy way out and retreat on making any decisions whatsoever that may rock the odyssey core. Hopefully they will think about the rest of the community that will sit back silently that actually hope that they will take the NECESSARY action for once.

Anonymous said...

to 6:15 p.m.

And therein lies the problem.

You say "extra money" should be spent on remediation for those who are behind.

Others say "extra money" should be spent on educational enrichment for those who are already achieving, or are ahead.

Either way, someone loses.

Which choice is right?

9:44 - Oh come on. What happens to Greeks who overdisplay hubris?

Poor Richard once said "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

SCATS said...

To 12:21AM ~~ Hubris has nothing to do with my reminder to those who tend to forget that there are many more conversations, comments and readers of the BLOGs I post that don't appear on this website ;)

Anonymous said...

5:09 you may be an east sider but you are not in the area that will fill the poor side of the new Apollo. You are in the arcadia feeder by your admission. You did not choose to send your kids to Olympia. You knew it was not as good as Arcadia for whatever reason. You may have attended Olympia 25 years ago but you made sure your kids didn't. And you could have chosen Olympia with the secondary option and didn't. So join the club of people that are afraid of Olympia. And now those kids will be in the new Apollo.

Anonymous said...

I believe that's called the "bandwagon approach." (As in "Oh yeah, well I'm not the ONLY one who feels that way. LOTS of people do.")

SCATS said...

To 1:55PM ~~ I've asked no one to join the "bandwagon" and I didn't bring up numbers until 7:03PM attempted to minimize the BLOG by saying it's only 20 odd comments. At that point, it appears that 7:03PM "forgot" about what they can't see ~~ 250 Facebook friends, conversations on FB that arise separately from ones that take place on here, private email and the approx. 400,000 pageviews of this BLOG in recent months.

Many realize that while some people hope to minimize the impact of SCATS, that SCATS is closely monitored because of the impact it does have ;)

This topic of the numbers related to this BLOG is closed, since it's not what will matter at tonight's meeting.