Friday, December 02, 2011

Remember This When You Vote Tuesday On GCSD's EXCEL II Bond


TWO OUTHOUSES ... ONE PICTURE IS WORTH 1000 WORDS!


28 comments:

Anonymous said...

A more accurate picture would label the bottom outhouse as "Nonvoters" since it's their apathy that allows politicians to do whatever they want.

SCATS said...

To 9:53AM ~~ While I understand what you mean, I disagree with your conclusion. It's best that the apathetic stay away in most cases, because I don't think they know anything much about the issues. They're apathetic ;)

Anonymous said...

Nonvoters get the basement in this structure. They get it from both the politicians and the voters who complain about the nonvoters. Go around the back and you'll see the stairs for them

SCATS said...

To 5:49PM ~~ My heart goes out to the apathetic in Greece. They've been conditioned by the politicians to become that way. They've been teaching us for years that our votes don't really matter ... especially the Greece school board!

Anonymous said...

If the vote passes, we will need to add another story to this outhouse.

By the way, does this homeowner qualify for all tax credits?

Anonymous said...

This will be a resounding yes vote. Most of the no voters will be down south. Most of the no voters can't remember a lot. Most of the no voters don't even know about this vote because it was hardly publicized. Most of the no voters depend on the mailings that tell where the voting place is and there was nothing sent out. Most of the yes voters are employees and school of choice people and their darling grandparents. They will have the phone alerts going and will remind all of them to vote. It's simple math. What gifted strategists the former staff were. Will it work for the next 2 votes? 34 million down.....66 million to go. And then the star reductions will start to be phased out. What's the story about the frog in the pot of water?
All we can bet on will be the point spread.

SCATS said...

To 4:45AM ~~ A sub-basement?

SCATS said...

To 11:14AM ~~ I hesitate to use words like "resounding" when 3000 or less people vote, regardless the point spread. For some reason, limp-wristed comes to mind ... as in feeling so apathetic, they're barely able to lift a pencil.

Anonymous said...

I think it is pretty pitifull that the school district purposly keeps big money project votes like this one as quiet from the general public as they can. They will send out the "required by law" information and will go out of their way to heavily lobby this to the school parents so they can get the YES vote out.

They put little tiny press releases in the paper about this vote that no reads so hardly anyone shows up to question the rational of financing door knobs and thermostats for 20 years.

If this school district thought this bond vote was worthy of the community support the Public Relations Dept would be pulling out all the stops to inform the public. But they are not.

I really do hope this goes down in flames. Not because some of the items are needed (minus the dugouts) but because it is assinine to finance the vast majority of these items by issuing 20 year debt. These tems should be financed each year from the general school budget.

Anonymous said...

Resounding meant percentages . For example 10 yes to 3 no would be resounding . You are correct that there will be a low turnout since only yes voters will be informed and thus vote.
All they want is to win by one vote. Then they get what they wanted. But it will not be close.
And on the subject of pencils. Why can't we use pencils to mark the ballots? They give us these markers that seem ungainly and awkward. And if the vote is counted with the machine, why should the marked pages be indelible? Do they look at those later? Are they used for recounts?
SAT tests use no. 2 pencils. Why can't we when we vote?
And just how private and secret and confidential is this process at the school vote level with those people hovering over you as you slide the card in? Scats is right we all should go for the absentee. Does anyone know how many requests there were for that this time and if that will make any difference in the final count since they mostly disregard them unless someone calls for a recount.

SCATS said...

To 11:31AM ~~ Pitiful, yes. Predictable? ABSOLUTELY!! They would likely tell you that this list represents all of the items they've ignored repairing over the last decade or so, because they were trying to keep the budget low. They only care about getting a yes vote, even if they get it by just 1 vote. They don't care how often they have to drag us to the polls. They will get what they want, sooner or later. But when it doesn't go their way, like the budget vote a couple of years back, they will make us eat their "contingency" plan without a revote. It's ALL very predictable ;)

Anonymous said...

Please SCATS not over brunch....."they will make us eat their "contingency" plan" coupled with the appropriate picture of the split level outhouse. My imagination puts those 2 astute observations together and it should let us know what we have had forced down our throats for a very long time. Yuck!
They should be ashamed of themselves for forcing a vote by design at a time when people are busy or out of town and not publicizing it and knowing that will affect the outcome. Any means possible to achieve their end goal.

SCATS said...

To 12:08PM ~~ Shame isn't something the closed, clubby & corrupted feel, is it?

Anonymous said...

So where do we vote?

SCATS said...

To 2:20PM ~~ According to the recent propaganda piece ... errr, uhhhmmm I mean district rag ... uhhhhh, ohhhh I mean the Connection, voting will be held at the 13 elementary schools from 6-9 on Tuesday.

Anonymous said...

Non-voters are on the upper level with the politicians. Their laziness rains crap on us -- even more than what we get from the politicians. Non-voters are victims of nothing, they are the entire problem. I don't care to hear their half-assed excuses for why they couldn't spend 5 minutes in the voting booth, especially since their follow-up topic is complaints about everything they dislike about government and those in office.

SCATS said...

To 3:22PM ~~ Like it or not, nonvoters have the SAME RIGHTS as voters, including the right to complain.

Don't overlook the fact that our politicians, especially those in Greece, have taught people that it does NOT pay to vote. The powers that be will do as they please regardless.

Anonymous said...

If you care at all about our school district and our kids, you will vote YES. Don't listen to these whining senior citizens who need to move into a retirement community.

Anonymous said...

Am I to understand that routine maintenance items as decribed in todays d+c is no longer part of the operating budget?

I can understand a roof type item but the other items seem routine to me.

I am told we get extra state-aid doing it this way yet have seen no figures as to the cost of extra paperwork and filings to get everything cleared by mother Albany.

Am I missing something here Scats?

The dug-outs explanation made no sence to me. Is this a set-up for turf fields justification down the road?

Finally without knowing what schools (if any) are (may) be closing I can't have alot of comfidence that the proper homework has been done by the board.

SCATS said...

To 9:45AM ~~ I'm SOOOOOO glad you chimed in! I hope you haven't been ill. I was wondering where you've been. I thought to myself, "OMG, no one will be here to tell us to just move away!"

Now that you've done what you ALWAYS do, go back under your rock until next vote ;)

SCATS said...

To 10:46AM ~~ It does appear that they've pulled out ALL maintenance & saved it up for special votes. Of course, that's a ridiculous way to conduct business, but I believe it harkens back to the days of Ray Page as Supt. It was the old "I'll cut off my nose to spite my face" approach to handling budget defeats.

No, I don't think you are missing anything aside from the cost in time of personnel to scheme these projects up. The folks in charge of this aren't making hourly wages.

Yes, I do believe that turfed fields will be included in a future package. If you review my BLOG about Watch ffor Falling Prices (Nov. 26th), you can see that they started out with "needing" $169 million in repairs. That number got whittled down to $120 million over time, BUT includes $20-25 million in athletic facility repairs & upgrades which includes turf fields, lights, outdoor restrooms & other "necessities."

Anonymous said...

So we should let all of our schools rot into the ground and not give a crap? Is that what your point is? Your logic is so ridulous.

SCATS said...

To 4:24PM ~~ Of course not. The point is GCSD needs to get off the pot & figure out what this district's priorities are. Then they should eliminate or reduce those items that aren't either required or seen as critical to academics, etc. We can't be all things to all people any longer. If they got their priorities straight, they could get their budget straight and that would include basic maintenance items in the annual budget.

Had they closed 2-3 schools at least 3 yrs. ago, they could have done all sorts of repairs without this bond. Their lack of a backbone is costing us all.

Charlie Hubbard said...

The cost of this vote.

Let me remind readers that just 18 months ago after a defeated budget vote the 'COST' of a second vote gave reason for the board and administration to 'give the finger' to the owners of this district (taxpayers) and not have a second budget vote. A tax increase (without voter approval)was stuffed down our throats. I guess this is different.
I guess we need this NOW. I guess we can't wait until a decission is made on what schools MAY be closed. I guess this can't wait until spring when the regular vote takes place.

There are 'needs' and there are 'wants'.
It all starts and ends with TRUST. The choice was made to 'give the finger' to the voters just 18 months ago and never got an apology. It is hard to TRUST people who would do that.

Anonymous said...

They were quoted as saying the dugouts were to keep our district in compliance with title 9 for equal sports for females. Apparently right now the girls have to sit outdoors and the dugouts are only for the boys.

SCATS said...

To Charlie Hubbard ~~ You are 100% correct! And on top of that, Nadolinski & Alaimo played the game of telling the BOE to hold this vote in December because it was their best chance for a positive outcome. Interestingly, they were supposed to ask for a bus proposition too, but I think they realized that they'd shoot themselves in the arse if they asked for that BEFORE closing some schools.

To 7:57PM ~~ And why can't the girls use the existing dugouts?? And how long has GCSD been "out of compliance?" This is a pathetic excuse for something they couldn't justify to community members at last weeks forums!!

Anonymous said...

Why can't the girls use the existing dugouts??? SCATS girls play softball on softball fields boys play baseball on baseball fields. I hope you weren't serious. Title 9 was a good concept on paper but it handcuffed alot of schools.

SCATS said...

To 9:03PM ~~ So ... you WERE paying attention?