Saturday, December 17, 2011

Committee Reports On School Consolidation

   
Administrative Task Force Report

School Attendance Advisory Committee II Report


Finance Committee Report: An Examination of School Closings

Transportation Route & Attendance Boundary Study

Cabinet Analysis

SCATS ~~ If anyone finds evidence within these reports to support retaining SOC's, please show us what report & page # provides the data showing that schools-of-choice are:

  • fiscally prudent and cost-effective;
  • beneficial to the district, not just to lottery winners;
  • demographically defensible;
  • an efficient use of space;
  • an efficient use of transportation & other services;
  • serving a defined need that exists today!
I'm betting that NO SUCH DATA EXISTS ;)
  

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

OA was 90% white with 16% of kids on free/reduced lunch( 2009/2010). Having this group of kids move enmass to displace a much more racially diverse and lower income group IS A POTENTIAL PUBLIC RELATIONS NIGHTMARE! What is it 1950...
Maybe it will be "better" for Apollo kids but boy they better make that case clearly to every Apollo family.
I agree with Mr Skeet that the Superintendent is not "at fault". The blame is squarely on the BOE. The demographics of SOC should have ALWAYS matched the demographics of the District. Assurances that incoming classes will is too little to late for me!

Show me a school district in the US where lottery and "choice" has "worked" for the district as a whole.

Anonymous said...

Just throwing this out there with a quick read through. So we close 3 schools $2 million & change. We streamline busing, maybe $100k after 86% allotment, We are still $4.9 million short of the proposed 11-12 budget. I think it still has to go back to contracts. Healthcare savings with 20% out of pocket 80% district would be just as significant of a savings. Pay raises on merit. Get rid of the steps. Have competitive bidding for building & grounds maintenance contracts. Any other ideas outside the norm???

Anonymous said...

What will be the consequences for all three SOC if the incoming class (2011/2012) is not demographically matched to the District? What will the consequences be in 3-5 years if the SOC do not closely match the socioeconomic demographics of the District?

If we as taxpayers are being told that SOC are here to stay then we must demand they match the rest of the District! SOC do cost the District more money than if kids just simply went to neighborhood schools.

SCATS said...

To 7:58AM ~~ Yup, 1950 seems about right. That's why I named the Apollo group who lands at Olympia "The Lost Boys (and Girls) of Apollo". The group that gets to stay will be known as "Odyssey 4 Dummies". Once the orig. Odyssey folks settle in at Apollo, they can go back to segregating the buildings wings just like when it was Mooney, thereby dividing up water fountain & bathroom use. Of course the back of the limo ... er, I mean bus will be good enough for the "Dummies" who ride to school.

To 9:12AM ~~ The reason closing schools their way doesn't close the budget gap better is because THEY ARE CREATING NEW SCHOOLS! Instead of using the opportunity to really downsize/rightsize teaching & administrative staff, they've bent over backwards to retain them!

If we were to use the KISS plan I proposed or something similar where there REAL BUILDING CLOSINGS, we would be downsizing staff to the appropriate number for our smaller student body. Only in Greece could they screw this up so badly!

To 9:23AM ~~ Consequences!?!? Hahahaha!! You must be joking, right? The only "consequences" will be that you & I will feel like suckers again ;)

Anonymous said...

Board goal....to align the SOC's demographically with the rest of the district.
With the 55% of Apollo students on the one side of the Apollo building .....racially and financially diverse....and the Odyssey transplanted to the other side....racially and financially white and rich...they will achieve numerically the goal. BUT the one school population will be rich and the other will be poor. In fact the other will be poorer than the 6-12 populations at Arcadia and Athena.

So you will have supposedly one school with one principal but the 2 parallel schools within that school will be completely unequal and segregated.
To the NY state Education department this will be one school but to the students it will be 2 schools.

In fact the 55% percent can only be put on the more affluent and IB side if they win the lottery. Will they even be allowed to participate in the lottery? Those questions weren't answered by the committee reports and recommendations.
BTW if the 55% are from the east side of Mt Read and the rest to the west (think Breckinridge and Weiland Rd area) go to the newly formed Olympia 6-12 the 55% will be even lower in socio-economic level than the Olympia campus school. They have even planned the subdivision of the existing Olympia area to make the existing buiding richer than those they are cutting off to provide the Odyssey school with some diverse children to stare at.
The other side of Apollo will be the poorest school in the district.

SCATS said...

To 12:22PM ~~ BINGO!

They thought no one would figure that out. You must be Odyssey material ;)

Seriously, this entire thing is contrived FOR APPEARANCES, not for anything more. Greece is well known for appearances, just ask Steve Walts, Merritt Rahn, Joe Robach, John Auberger, Steve Achramovitch ...

Anonymous said...

I am not sure how people are stating that OA kids are from rich white families. Students from the Apollo Olympia zone are the largest percentage at OA. While they may be white I would not say they are rich.

Look at the new stats in the USA 1 out of 2 live in poverty or low income level. While in Greece it may not be exactly those odds, Greece families are not predominately rich.

SCATS said...

To 12:38PM ~~ C'mon now! It's no longer a secret that the wealthier, whiter families who wanted to ESCAPE THE OLYMPIA/APOLLO CROWD CHOSE ODYSSEY. It's even been admitted at BOE meetings!

If you don't believe it, try sitting in Olympia's parking lot & look at the faces of the kids as they leave school at the end of the day ;) Don't forget to lock your car doors.

Anonymous said...

to 12:38 ; Look at the statistics for each school in
Greece on the NYS Report Card website! I know it is hard to think of a solidly middle class family as "rich" but compared to many, many families in Greece they are(38% district wide-2009/10 most likely higher now))! Overwhelmingly, SOC in Greece have the lowest % of kids on free/reduced lunch (by far) and the highest % of whites!!! It is no longer a secret. Thankyou NYS for forcing Districts to publish this data- it was an eye opener for me

Anonymous said...

Scats all I am saying is that I would not call most in the Apollo Olympia zone ( that attends OA) wealthy. Sure are there a likely few yes but seriously RICH? Just because they don't get free or reduced lunch does not make them RICH. I do agree that there is an underlying reason that those that choose OA is to escape what is at Apollo Olympia....

SCATS said...

To 1:38PM ~~ They are rich when compared to those who come from the east side of Mt. Read Blvd and those who are STEALING DISTRICT SERVICES (city kids)... the ones that Odyssey folks want to avoid!

Of course they will never be as "rich" or as snooty as the Pine Brook bunch, because they can NEVER measure up to them ;)

Anonymous said...

In reference to the budget, and it may be completely off subject or not even matter, but we have a great deal of senior 55+ communities being built around town, which invites in a larger percentage of tax breaks for these folks. What impact will this have on the tax roll aligning with the projected budget forecasts? How will this help with the taxes not being raised in the future? Does anyone know? Just wondering...

SCATS said...

To 3:13PM ~~ I don't see that as an issue where there are going to be lots more "tax breaks" given out. Greece is already top heavy with senior citizens. Those communities where the residents rent charge huge rents, some are around $1500/mo without utilities or other things included. I'm pretty sure the owners aren't getting "senior tax breaks." On the places that are new homes bought by seniors, I don't think we're attracting many more seniors to Greece. I think a lot of Greece seniors are selling homes & buying new, smaller ones. Even with tax breaks (if there are any), those new homes are expanding the tax base, right?

Anonymous said...

57% apollo kids on free/reduced lunch (2009/10)
38% District
16% OA
11% pinebrook
23% westridge

District 70% white
OA 90%
Just saying makes a big diffence in performance!

Anonymous said...

9:12AM.......BINGO! What is the point of closing schools and consolidating if we are not going to eliminate postions? Teaching and non teaching. It appears the plans keep all the schools intact but the BOE will just move to a school within a school concept. DUMB. We cannot keep the level of staff for the number of students we have enrolled. AND we need to get major concessions from the Teacher's union.

Layoffs and union concessions are the only logical things left to close the multi million dollar budget gap that is left even after schools are closed down.

Anonymous said...

It took a commitee to come up with ideas that still leave 5 buses coming down my street taking 5 different kids, all the same age, to 5 different schools. This is what consolidation looks like in Greece?

SCATS said...

To 8:45PM ~~ That's what committees do. You charge them to design a horse and they create a camel.

Anonymous said...

I've been watching with great interest the discussion in Greece and I can only say this...you NEVER close a blue ribbon or high performing school. You replicate them. Change is not always good for change sake. Research on cloning what the high performers are doing is out there...read it, then decide...culture and committment are the drivers in great schools, not the population or the neighborhood...Clone and replicate. Keep your high performers as model schools.

SCATS said...

To 12:42PM ~~ The results CAN'T be "replicated" because the student group has been artificially constructed!

Anonymous said...

The parallel school that is the lesser twin of Odyssey in the proposal of the committees is only a control group for the experiment. So we should call this newly formed school the "placebos".
Apollo will have the Odyssey Academy and the "Placebo School" under the direction Of Sue Meier. Can't wait to see the results.
Obviously the members of the committees did not think this proposal through to its ultimate conclusion.
There will need to be a full time officer from Greece Police there . Now Heritage Drive will get a taste of what the Olympia drive area has been going through on the other side of Maiden lane.

SCATS said...

To 1:07PM ~~ I suspect that what is going to happen is that the results will be combined with the original Odyssey group, because it's my impression Apollo will look like one school on paper. But it will operate as 2 schools within the one building. So the reality will be a school for the poorest in Greece next to a school for Greece's elite, but the appearance (on paper for NYSED to see) will be one "unified" school.

Anonymous said...

Then it is an attempt to deceive. It fell short since we discovered their intent before it got off the ground. Will they have the nerve to implement it with the community aware of their plan to make a building supposedly house a diverse demographic but separate the total into two schools which are rich man/poor man?
Consider one group of students that has to go there because of their residence and the other that are a part of a legacy school whose future attendees are set in stone because of the sibling priority. Yes the Placebos will be a challenge for the district to sell.
But the administration is not afraid of the repercussions from the Placebo school parents. They are only afraid of the parents and grandparents of the choice school.
I wonder who will be getting their doctorate in a study of the difference in the academic results of 2 student bodies of equal age that are in the same building with the same principal. As usual they are using the children as unwilling rats in an experiment.

SCATS said...

To 4:03PM ~~ Deception certainly isn't beyond our BOE! Did they learn anything from that scathing Comptroller's report? Nada!

Anonymous said...

To 12:42 replicating will be difficult...how will we increase the poverty level, eliminate the transferring in of students through the year, allow all principals to send students back to their home schools when they misbehave or have attendance issues, and reduce the diversity in all Greece schools? You must either be a teacher or a parent from a SOC who believe that the lack of success of other schools has nothing to do with inequity!

Anonymous said...

I don't understand how anybody could think the fake Odyssey to be formed inside Odyssey at Apollo meets the definition of a placebo. In order to work as a placebo, the user can't know they didn't receive the real thing. Under this plan, the real thing will be more than obvious to all who bother looking. Just my two cents.

Anonymous said...

The children are the subjects of the experiment. These children will not know anything about how disadvantaged they are by not being mixed with the other students in the building that are offered IB and have only 10% free or reduced lunch. It will seem to the state ed department that we have fulfilled the board goal and federal requirement of equal education without defacto segragation. They are the control group because they are the usual neighborhood students. The special students are the ones that have been selected by winning the lottery or by being the sibling of someone that won the lottery one to 6 years ago. So the Odyssey children are receiving the "real thing" and the other side is receiving the placebo, whether they know it or not. But children will not know about the advantages the other side has.
They will be doing "Westside Story" for their first musical.

SCATS said...

To 8:43PM ~~ I disagree that "they are the usual neighborhood students."

In reality, they will be just another contrived group conprised of the poorest among Apollo's usual overall group, because they reside east of the school, largely from the Dewey/Stone, Benjamin/Tait Ave. areas.

Anonymous said...

A control group should mimic the "treated" group in demographics. That's not in the works here. Bringing up words like placebo and control is just confusing an already mixed up mess.

Anonymous said...

It depends on what you are studying and what is the hypothesis. If all they need for a control group is a group of humans ages 11 thru 19 for example that are from the hood compared to the same age group but chosen thru a favored process that has ensured elitism, this group will fit the bill for the study.
If they truly wanted to as they say "preserve the small school setting" and "align the choice schools" with the district demographics, the 2 decks that they are working with at the Apollo building (under the proposal) should be shuffled togetherand then split into 2 schools. Since that is not what they plan, they are keeping the demographic elite and favored and entitled on the existing odyssey side and the other side is the opposite. To be fair they should make sure in the first year that they split the existing odyssey population between the 2 sides. Then you will hear a roar of discontent. But don't worry, odyssey elite; you are safe. That is until you are picking up Buffy after school. And let's see how the district staff and administration like sharing the space with some of the most disadvantaged youth of Greece and the city of Rochester.

Anonymous said...

WARNING...taunting and sarcasm to follow:
So the staff of the superintendent are housed at the Apollo building now with a 6-8 school. That's not a problem. BUT... When the 1300 total 6-12 student population arrives there will be all sorts of consequences.
First the 11th and 12th graders are permitted at Olympia and Odyssey to drive cars to school within certain perameters. Since half the students are not there by choice they cannot use the SOP of "if you have a problem, leave. You are here by choice" to half of them when they complain about not getting to park their cars there. If they do park theirs cars there where will the staff park? And I mean the upstairs staff as well as the teachers of the school. Will they have to park at the old Britton Rd Wegmans lot and be shuttled to Apollo with the Wegmans employees? Good cooperation there and use of resources, if so. LOL.
The Heritage Dr neighborhood will have the no parking all day signs like the areas surrounding Athena and Olympia.
Consider the arrival of all the students and busses and cars driven by students and upstairs staff including the superintendent and board clerk from 7am on. Consider 2 high schools within a quarter mile of each other on Maiden Lane. Can you say "Gridlock"?
What is ironic is that there is a theory that many at Odyssey are there to escape Olympia's demographic and violence. That's funny. They will be going to school with Olympia within the Apollo building.
The 2 schools one at Olympia and one at Apollo will just be one big 6-12 Apollo-Olympia with a few cherry-picked students on the side. Bullying made easy.
At Brookside they call it the "Brookside campus of Parkland Brookside Lah dee dah" This new formation could be called the "Olympia campus of the Debacle" or the "Apollo campus of the Debacle". That Odyssey principal will indeed have her hands full as she juggles to preserve her precious award winning school while keeping the interlopers at bay.