Thursday, November 10, 2011

No Terry, You Are NOT Alone ;)


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From print edition Greece Post 11/10/11, pg.11A



26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Too bad she wasn't there to actually witness it. And if her children were being chased by the dog, her attitude would be a whole lot different, wouldn't it?

Anonymous said...

I think they intended to shoot the dog based on the police statement, "they made sure all children where inside home before shooting the dog". Are the GPD now psychic and new that the dog would lung? Sounds like a cover up of poor judgement...yet again in Greece.

Anonymous said...

possible to make this any easier to read?

SCATS said...

To 8:46AM ~~ The MOST TELLING STATEMENT came from Greece Police Capt. Steve Chatterton who said the unnamed cop/shooter "was less than five feet away from that dog when it charged at him, when he fired the shots.” I can assure you that statement is an outright lie! It is NOT possible for anyone, not even a Greece cop to load two slugs into a lunging animal from just 5 feet away. Reaction time won't allow for it ;)

To 8:52AM ~~ Of course, you are correct. The wording of the story about what happened kept changing every time it was told. It began with the dog was "following trick-or-treaters" and was "scaring them" and became that the Rottweiler was "threatening children" and "chasing them." GPD will say whatever they want to justify it and I'm hearing rumblings from various folks that Greece cops are trigger happy around dogs.

To 9:54AM ~~ Click on the article to enlarge it.

Anonymous said...

SCATS... FYI, on many computers, clicking on the article only SLIGHTLY enlarges it. Still too small to read.

SCATS said...

To 12:35PM ~~ I went back and enlarged the image to the biggest size option provided. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference. Aside from typing it all out (which I'm not wanting to do, sorry), the only other alternative I can suggest would be to look at the print copy of the Greece Post. They have it at the library to read for free ;)

Anonymous said...

Another tip... RIGHT-click on the image, choose "Copy" from the pop-up menu, open Microsoft WORD, RIGHT-click and PASTE the image into the Word document. You can enlarge it in Word. (Might not even be necessary.)

SCATS said...

To 3:09PM ~~ Thank you. Yes, it does enlarge it, but it's a bit blurry. Sorry folks.

Anonymous said...

I am not defending the police or there actions but they don't carry "sleep darts" and when using a taser, the effects only last as long as the Taser is activated. So when the officer stops the Taser what is he suppose to use then. I am pretty sure the dog is going to be even more agaitated and angry. Just clarifying.

SCATS said...

To 10:55AM ~~ I tend to agree with you about the taser issue. And they do not carry tranquilizers for animals. In the bigger picture here, if you sift through the various videos and articles, something smells pretty damned bad. Immediately, they decided to not tell us which cop. Why not? If he is a hero, let's honor him! Then we have the changing description from dog "following" kids who became "scared" to dog "chasing" them and "threatening" them. Then we have Capt. Chatterton's unbelievable claim that the cop popped off two rounds into an animal that lunged from just 5 feet away! And of course, this was after the dog patiently waited until everyone was rounded up and indoors to make it safe to do so. Excuse me while I go vomit.

Anonymous said...

This says tasers would stun the dog humanely if you were in denger. Surely our police could use this safely?

http://www.beststungun.com/dog-control.html

SCATS said...

To 12:19PM ~~ I looked at those stun guns. None of them provide protection for the minimum 21 foot distance cops say they need to be able to do something other than shoot to kill. The tasers GPD uses reach 25" I think, not much room to play with. There's no way they are going to start carrying a second taser. Their belts are already overloaded with stuff.

Anonymous said...

You must mean maximum. Once they get to that 21 and then it diminishes quickly they get to use lethal force. This taser is a fine alternative to killing a dog. Taser and the animal is still alive even at 5 feet. In fact one of the devices can be used if the person or animal is upon the victim or officer.
Is it your information that they can only taser at 20 feet and beyond but if they are approached closer like 15 feet they have no alternative but to be bitten or stabbed or shoot to kill?
Why can't they taser at 5 feet? They taser humans at 5 feet downtown and at the mall.
Does anyone else know first hand about this? What does the humane society suggest?

SCATS said...

To 3:45PM ~~ No, I meant what I said. Anything less than 21 feet (7 yards) is considered to be within the "danger zone" given reaction times, etc. Here's an article that explains it well:
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Tueller/How.Close.htm

The taser has a reach of 25 feet. The instances you mention of taser use at 5 feet is likely when an officer already has the taser out & ready to discharge and quite likely when there is more than one cop at the scene.

The point here is that you can't wait until someone/something charges from a distance of just 5 feet. You can't possibly react in time ... aside from GPD's Super cop ... the one they won't name ;)

Anonymous said...

Again is there anyone that has first hand knowledge of this and has witnessed something? Or are there any police reading this? Let's give someone else a chance to respond without speedy retort. We all might learn something and hear someone else's opinion or experience. Let's just be patient and see if anyone else has something to contribute. We could even wait until tomorrow.

And that officer had time to have a taser out as the neighbors were taking the kids inside. Sometimes we have to be willing to change. Maybe the SOP of the Greece police has to be modified in light of this.
Again any anonymous cops out there reading this?

SCATS said...

To 4:34PM ~~ How do you know what knowledge I possess? Aha! You don't ;) Really, this isn't rocket science. Using common sense, the facts are:
1 ~ Cops are highly trained.
2 ~ That training means they acquire an ability to respond very quickly in specific ways when they are threatened. This means they aren't likely to try something new and hope for the best when their safety is at risk.
3 ~ Taser training is done for use on humans.
4 ~ Despite Hollywood, tasers are generally NOT used to disarm people, but to subdue. A tasered dog is still fully "armed."
5 ~ A cop knows from his training how much time he has after deploying a taser to get cuffs on his target. That amount of time is measured in mere seconds, unless he discharges the taser more than once.
6 ~ A cop does NOT know how an animal will respond, if it responds at all, to the use of a taser. Will it make Puma want to run away? Or will it make Puma more pissed off than before? Will the shock kill the animal anyway? An 80 lb. dog might die while a 100 lb. dog might be fine. Will that dart stick in heavy fur? PROBABLY NOT! It wasn't designed for use on dogs, but for humans!
7 ~ Given the unknowns listed above, no cop in his right mind is going to experiment while feeling threatened, especially when he already knows his pistol will do the trick.
8 ~ Given Chatterton's ridiculous statement about the lunge from 5 feet, no cop in GPD is going to tell you otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Pepper spray will take the dog down longer than a tazer. Don't cops carry spray?

Anonymous said...

I have followed this since you began writing about it and from your above comments I am confused on one point you seem to be wrong on. I watched all the TV coverage and even heard the captain on the radio. I heard him say the officer shot the dog when it was 5 feet away. I never heard the word "lunge". I just searched and read all the articles and still never see "lunge". I continually see reference to the dog being shot when it was 5 feet away. Maybe it was 21 feet away initially and putting your 21 feet rule back into place. The witnesses were ok with it on the news and so am I after hearing the captain on the radio explain.

SCATS said...

To 1:12AM ~~ Yes, they carry pepper spray, but that won't subdue the dog. It will just make him angry.

To 8:04AM ~~ You're correct. I used the wrong word. The word Chatterton used was CHARGED. He said the officer "was less than five feet away from that dog when it CHARGED at him, when he fired the shots.”

Of course the "witnesses were OK with it. The only "witnesses" were other cops. Everyone else was cleared from the scene while the Rottweiler patiently waited for his opportunity to "charge" the cop, remember? ;) Besides, this is Greece where you do NOT ever argue with a cop.

And the owner's family member was very calm about it all, probably because his brother (presumably) was arrested by GPD a couple days prior in another item I posted from the police reports.

SCATS said...

Oh, and one more thing 8:04AM. I've already stated that GPD should let us give a parade and some special honors to the unnamed cop/hero for saving the whole neighborhood from that horrible animal. Anyone able to put two rounds into an animal that charges from just 5 feet deserves recognition as Super Cop.

Anonymous said...

Here is an even more updated revision of the history.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2352653.shtml

Although this is dated 11/1/11 it seems to be different from the original story. It makes more sense and clearly explains that the brother owner was out of town.

SCATS said...

To 11:47AM ~~ That article again quotes Chatterton with stating: " ... and also it's important to note that the officer was less than five feet away from that dog when it charged at him, when he fired the shots."


I WANT TO SEE ANYONE SHOOT TWO ROUNDS INTO AN ANIMAL THAT CHARGES FROM JUST 5 FEET! IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!

We don't know if the owener was really away or if the brother at home gave that reason to cover for the fact the owner had already had a run-in with GPD a few days prior. Maybe his brother was still in jail, we don't really know.

Another thing this article shows is that NO ATTEMPT was made to contact the owner BEFORE the dog was shot, even though neighbors seemed to know who owned the dog.

Anonymous said...

It would be possible if he had his gun drawn. A good cop would anticipate this.

SCATS said...

To 5:35PM ~~ Really? Just how fast can you react? I'll be betting on the dog ;)

Anonymous said...

Better keep your ugly cats inside. I hear the Arcadia kids want them bad.

SCATS said...

To 9:53AM ~~ Oh? Have they begun indulging in satanism or some other pasttime? Surely we don't have GANGS operating in Greece!