Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Republicans Boycott NGN's Candidate's Night

   
SCATS ~~ I'm told by both email & anonymous comment that this evening's Northgate Neighborhood Group's Candidate's Night was boycotted by ALL Republican candidates. I guess they only appear when they can control the entire show.

Anonymous said...

It appears that no republican candidates showed up for this event. I guess they only show up if they are guarnateed the royal treatement they think they so largely deserve. 10/12/2011 8:53 PM

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Republicans in our area do not think they need to be accountable to the pulic. Joe Morelle standing in for Sandra Frankel (who had to be at the Brighton Town Board Meeting) got it right. Local governmnet is no longer for the people, but for the cronies (my paraphrase) why bother to address the public when you are riding the gravy train

Anonymous said...

I can't blame them for not going - this is basically a democratic sponsored event. Look at a list of their members - Garretson's, Beebe's, Amato's, Rice, Ennis. Same hacks that call themselves the Greece Democratic Committee

Anonymous said...

Soooooo....Republicans have to be there but democrats can send a stand-in and still get a pass.

But on the reality side there is a group of business people that have endorsed candidates. All republicans are endorsed except for Sandra Doorley who is a democrat. Was Sandy there last night?

Anonymous said...

I am a Republican. If you drive by my house, you'll see a sign for a Republican candidate in front. I went to the candidate night last night. It was not my first there. This is a good place because anybody can ask questions. The candidates give a little speech and answer questions, or squirm and figure out how not to answer some questions. Sometimes there was a jerk or two in the audience, but that is no different than any other group. I went last night to cheer on my guy. I showed up but he didn't. His sign is still in my yard but he went down a notch with me.

SCATS said...

To 8:37AM ~~ This event is OPEN & advertised to the community as a whole. The audience is usually quite DIVERSE. I've gone to a couple. I'm NOT A DEMOCRAT. I have friends who I've seen attend who are also NOT Democrats. I'm glad NGN puts this night on! It is a great service to the community. My only beef with NGN and how this event is run is that I do NOT agree with allowing stand-ins for a Candidate's Night. I just emailed one of their members and told him that NGN ain't Hollywood! If the candidate doesn't have the motivation to show up for such a night, let the record reflect that.

To 8:49AM ~~ No, she wasn't there, but sent a stand-in, which I oppose.

To 9:54AM ~~ In my mind, a candidate who gets the invitation well in advance & can't make at least a cameo appearance to a Candidate's Night event probably won't get my lever pull on election day. Of course, I understand emergencies, etc. but being allowed to send a stand-in is pathetic. I saw Robach do it before and it leaves a bad after-taste.

Anonymous said...

I thought Republicans were supposed to be tough. So what if there are Democrats in the room. What are they afraid of? This makes them look like wimps.

Anonymous said...

I agree with your view on stand ins, but in this case I would make an exception. Frankel is supervisor of Brighton. She had a town board meeting where the budget was discussed. What is she supposed to do?

SCATS said...

To 1:57PM ~~ She had three options that I can think of. She could change the night of her meeting, put her second in command (Deputy Supervisor?) in charge of that meeting or give her apologies to NGN.

It's supposed to be "CANDIDATE'S NIGHT" not Stand-ins Night. Permitting stand-ins is simply DYSFUNCTIONAL.

Anonymous said...

To be fair no supervisor of a town is going to cancel or duck out on a a town board meting to go to a campaign event. That goes even more so for a presentation of the town budget. Unlike Greece there is a lot of public input in Brighton, Only choice three is viable.

Perhaps the practice of surrogates should be stopped, but imagining that someone has alternatives that are not real alternatives just muddies up the argument

SCATS said...

To 3:47PM ~~ The options are as many as the imagination is active. She could have done ANY of those three things to resolve the conflict.

Also, NGN could have made the County Executive race top dog & determined beforehand what night was good for both CE candidates, yet another alternative to be considered for the future.

There is NOTHING about this discussion that muddies things other than playing victim (claiming there was no good alternative) or getting sucked into NGN's offered dysfunction (sending a stand-in). She chose the latter. Despite that, I'll probably still vote for her over Maggie ;)

Anonymous said...

If Frankel wins she will be county supervisor. If she loses she will be unemployed. In either case there will be a new supervisor of Brighton so they better start acting like they can work without her. She is a democrat and according to our theories should have felt comfortable at the NGN debate.
Sad but maybe the rest of Monroe county does not think the northgate area is its own special interest group.

Anonymous said...

Quoting MS SCATS: Permitting stand-ins is simply DYSFUNCTIONAL.

NGN is indeed dysfunctional in more ways than one. Recycled Board Members. No new members. STALE. Old. Need I say more???

Anonymous said...

How about that $10,000 donation that Frankel accepted from Paetec?

She talks about transparent government?????? What a joke she is.

SCATS said...

To 8:32AM ~~ If you actually "know" all of that then YOU must be one of them, right RJ?

To 8:34AM ~~ If you know about it, it's transparent. Let's compare them for their scandals, shall we?

Anonymous said...

I have attended a few of these neighborhood gatherings since I moved to the area 2 years ago. And it is indeed always the same people. So the person that you berated for calling the group boring was right on target. Always the same topics. Always the same agenda shall we say. I even filled out one of their surveys and told them what we as neighbors really wanted to hear and talk about. Got nothing.

Anonymous said...

IT sounds like the same old republican sour grapes. 1) Talk down and demean anyone who disagrees with you 2) call anyone who disagrees with you "biased" We are all biased so that applies just as equally to republican and 3) sow disagreement where there is none. NGN seems to have people from both parties.

The bottom line is that republican candidates in this area do not feel they need to be accountable to anyone

SCATS said...

To 11:17AM ~~ I've attended quite a number of NGN meetings over the last several years. It most definitely is NOT the same people every time. I will agree that there does seem to be a core group running the show (which is typical these days because most people are too busy to get more involved), but some of their meetings are extremely well attended by outsiders. They are OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY and I know quite a few non-NGN members I've seen in the audience. The topics are wide-ranging and often about issues I've seen addressed nowhere else. Where else have you seen our assessor show up and talk about property taxes & assessments? No place!

To 12:12PM ~~ Well said!

Anonymous said...

Didn't hear one single candidate talk about issues. All they talk about is bringing back integrity blah blah blah. No vision. No focus. No plan for the future just what didn't work in the past. That's not going to improve things.

SCATS said...

To 2:01PM ~~ Under Auberger's watch, LOSS OF INTEGRITY BECAME A HUGE ISSUE! Getting it back will be a big improvement.

No matter what you say about the Dems. at least they are out there giving the community a chance to interact, ask questions & get to know them as candidates. The Republicans are hiding still. What the heck are their platforms??

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, good point scats. Wasn't it 2 months ago that the dems announced their candidates and had a thing where people could go see them? Somebody griped that they were disorganized and too late. Meanwhile, where are the Republicans? I haven't seen anything about who is running, nobody has been to my door, nothing showed up in my mailbox yet. election day is 3 weeks away! Two dems have been here (no I am not one myself) and I've been getting mail from them too. Republicans if you want my vote you got to do better than this.

Anonymous said...

2:01pm

Did not hear about Issues, what do you call "integrity". I consider that a huge issue!
We get people into office who has some then we have people in office who will listen to the voters.

Anonymous said...

It's a biased democrat controlled group. Why should republicans attend? Because the democrats demand it? Again, it makes absolutely no sense. It was a pathetically boring night, btw. The planted democrats there to ask questions didn't even ask anything of their own party's candidates!

SCATS said...

To 3:05PM ~~ Republicans should attend so we the community can get familiar with them, their platforms and what they might have to offer. I know that's a stretch for you to understand ... keeping your head in the sand with the rest of your party will only blind you over time ;)

Anonymous said...

NGN and their democratic board thinks they are the only neighborhood group in the Town of Greece. It's so comical the way their board behaves. Some of the board are too dumb to realize they aren't the only game in town and thanks to the dems they are now a democratic group. Why do you think Dave Garretson sits on that board?

SCATS said...

To 9:12AM ~~ Re: "Why do you think Dave Garretson sits on that board?"

Because he's ready, willing and able to ;)

Anonymous said...

NGN and Dave. What was the outcome of the complaints about the drainage or lack of drainage near the Fleming senior apartments on Latta and behind there on Dohrcrest? We had some pretty dry weather for a while this summer so there was a little relief. But just wait until spring. Let's be proactive and help before the properties are under water again. It was a river this past spring.

Anonymous said...

I think my neighbor is on the board of that North Gate group. Absolutely no way is that person a Democrat. Just sayin

carole said...

Just an FYI, I sit on the board of NGN and I know for a fact that we ARE NOT all Democrates.
We all sit on the board because WE CARE about our neighborhood. If more people would donate time to make their neighborhood/Town a better place to live them maybe the folks in elected offices would have to be more responsible and be held accountable for their lack of working with and for those they serve. So get off your asses and join a group or start one. My message is get involved. NGN started with a few concerned neighbors and has grown to be a group of concerned neighbors. I am proud to be on the Board of our neighborhood group. Join us or start one of your own. Let our voices be heard!

Anonymous said...

Being a member of NGN is NOT the same thing as being a NGN Board Member. This should be clarified but it never is.

Board Members of NGN:

Dave Garretson-DEM
Jeremy Carter-Independent
Charlie Ennis-DEM
Mary Tweed-DEM
Carol Messina Provost-Independent
Betty Raymond-DEM
Joan ? - Republican
Rebecca J-DEM
Dan Maloney-DEM

So do the math-What is the majority of the makeup of NGN-DEMOCRATIC!!!!

SCATS said...

To Carole @12:09PM ~~ Thank you for trying to clarify.

Sadly, people like 12:43PM want us to analyze the make-up of every group & label it with a party affiliation. Do we really need to know what party, if any, your PTA "leadership" is registered with? What about your Neighborhood Watch Group? Do AARP members have to declare a party to join? Not that I ever heard!

12:43PM just likes to grind his ax over & over again, not realizing the blade is nearly gone to dust.

Anonymous said...

To 12:43 -- I am getting tired of your name calling and guilt by association assumptions. This list of yours prompted me to scroll up and see what you wrote at 8:37 on 10-13. I assume that was you in both places, right?

Back then you said Northgate is bad because it is run by "Garretson's, Beebe's, Amato's, Rice, Ennis." Today you say never mind the membership, it's the board that matters and give us a list that is missing most of those names.

By the way, I belong to Northgate and I know very well who is on the board. Maloney and Jaffarian are both long gone. Neither one has been there in over a year. You are missing another one who is newer and probably not a Democrat, not that it matters. I don't care what the registration head count is, your point is ridiculous.

Northgate is a good organization and I for one don't appreciate you running it down with your made-up nonsense. Maybe you should come to a meeting and see what really happens there. It's mostly about streets and creeks and trees and public safety. Just what you'd expect at a neighborhood meeting.

Anonymous said...

Just think we could be voting for a new supervisor had Sir John not changes the terms and length of his office to four instead of 2.

carole said...

12:43 We welcome ALL who would like to be a part of NGN. I encourage you to join our group and get active. It is easy to sit at a computer and share your thoughts and opinions but it takes hard work, dedication, and time to be part of any organization. Perhaps we are not your cup of tea, well we all can not agree on everything. Start another neighborhood association, or just simply join ours and start working toward a better neighborhood.

P.S.
Several of the folks you said are on on board are not and you missed one.

Anonymous said...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with members of the Greece Democrat Party controlling the North gate Neighbors group.

Only that they should simply stop pretending that they don't and admit that they do.

Continuing to profess otherwise makes residents like me not trust them.

Just sayin...

Anonymous said...

So Carole can you tell me if your group is non political, why are you getting all bent out of shape because no republicans came to your silly event?

If you care so much about your neighborhood, one silly event should not matter and you should be looking at the bigger picture.

SCATS said...

To 8:28AM ~~ Possibly because you characterize it as "silly" without stating why you've judged it so ;)

Anonymous said...

I can help out with a definition. "Silly" means "a place where voters might show up to ask questions"

Anonymous said...

If you are truly concerned about your neighborhood then you don't save your questions for one silly night. You can call your elected official!!!!

If you communicate with your elected officials it shows you are concerned. None of this let's get upset because a certain party didn't show up for a clearly democratic agenda. Let's be real people.

SCATS said...

To 4:31PM ~~ Obviously, you do NOT live in Greece. How do I know? Well, when I call Town Hall and ask for my elected official to be accountable, all I get is the opportunity to chat with "I AM HIM."

carole said...

The elected and incumbants of one party choose not to attend a community meeting. They either currently represent (work) for us or are running for office to represent us. So if I work 9a -5p how can I get my questions answered? The folks from one party choose to listen to thier all mighty and said the heck with the voters. We are not going to this particular community meeting. A slap in every voters face that attended the meeting. The 9a-5p worker may be able to attend another community meeting but if they can not they will be shit out of luck. just sayin

Anonymous said...

More excuses from Carol. I have to love all these people who claim to be so concerned about their neighborhood, yet they don't have the phone numbers or cell numbers of their elected officials!! What about e-mail?

Funny that I never see Carol at any Town Board Meetings and yet she is so concerned about her neighborhood. Where was she last night?

It's the same old nonsense with NGN and their members every year at election time.

If the tables were turned and no dems showed up, would you be writing about that SCATS? Probably not.

SCATS said...

To 9:49AM ~~ I know quite a few elected officials who immediately hide their phone numbers upon election. They act as if they don't want to be bothered. Right, Greece BOE?? What about you Mr. Auberger? Well, in his case, he lets an unelected person speak for him. Correct, I AM HIM? lol

carole said...

No excuses just fact. I have attended Town Board Meetings in the past. I have chosen not to attend any recent meetings.