Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Ideas Surface As School Restructuring Approaches

  
"Initial Enrollment figures came out today." ~~ Babs @ the BOE study Session tonight

SCATS ~~ What the hell took so long to collect these figures? Are there that many city folks stealing services with their illegal enrollments at Olympia HS again this year? School started over 6 weeks ago!

Anonymous said...
Well the connect ed calls have started. Apollo sent one out informing parents that the pta and sue mier are holding a planning session on thursday and want parents to give input as to the possible plans for school closure.how is it that apollo had joined forces with OA. Something stinks sue m could give to sh$& s about apollo and the kids left there.    10/25/2011 7:39 PM

Anonymous said...
I heard an OA parent tell another (at a dr. office) that they were all told that there is a two year plan to move OA into Apollo ... usual racist and classist overtones also in the conversation... if I was black they would not have said the things they were saying...

IB is an expensive program to maintian and should be finished... there is no independent evidence that IB kids do any better in college than AP kids... it is an expensive sham that benefits a few at great expence to the district.    10/25/2011 7:50 PM   

Anonymous said...
Another plan in the works is to shut down the Westridge building. But because the parents caused such a scene last time, they aren't going to say they are closing Westridge but instead are relocating it to Parkland. All of the Parkland staff and kids will be moved to Brookside. The loudest and richest parents prevail in this district.   10/25/2011 8:06 PM

Odyssey Families
Hello Odyssey families, This announcement is to invite you to a special PTSA meeting Thursday night October 27 at 7 pm. In this meeting Principal Sue Meier will go over the current round of options being looked at for school reorganization. School reorganization initiatives in Greece now involve closing some schools due to severe fiscal constraints. While this process is in its preliminary stages, it is still of interest to many families to know what the initial options look like. There will not be handouts because this process is too preliminary, but there will be an explanation of the process used to date and the first set of options which one committee has brought forward. The meeting is Thursday at 7 pm in the auditorium. All are welcome. We look forward to seeing you then. There will be regular PTSA meeting directly after the special meeting.

Thank you,

Odyssey Academy PTSA
The Broad Foundation School Closure Guide

  

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why are OA families getting info and the rest of us are not? We all live here and should ALL be informed as to what is going on AT THE SAME TIME! This principal is out of line and should be in trouble with the BOE and Superintendent! All families should be informed when there is a clear plan!!! This is going to create a mess with hundreds of confused parents calling and emailing the BOE... someone is trying to sabotage this process by spilling the beans before the BOE/Superintendent even knows what the "beans" are going to be...

Anonymous said...

Why are we not talking about restructuring to k-5 or k-6 for all elementary schools?
Close a couple buildings, end schools of choice altogether and create true neighborhood schools.
Close Odyssey. Have three Jr High Schools and three Sr High Schools and concentrate on educating our children.

SCATS said...

To 8:19PM ~~ I believe that Odyssey under Sue M's watch resists the move to Apollo largely because the school will become much more VISIBLE TO ALL if they share quarters with DO and are on busy Maiden Ln. instead of sitting tucked away where few bother to venture ;) No one has ever bothered forcing that group to conform to district policies in the past. Soon we'll see if Babs is up to the real challenges Greece brings to the table.

SCATS said...

To 8:32PM ~~ If we changed to K-5/6 schools, then Pinebrook wouldn't feel so "special" any more, and you know we can't have that!

Anonymous said...

I get it about closing older schools like Odyssey and West Ridge. But why not move Brookside to Parkland so at least some of the kiddies can walk home to the projects where they live? Aren't the boe and super planning to do anything about transportation costs?

Anonymous said...

Why not just close Westridge intead of uprooting 3 buildings? Seems to me that it would be cheaper and require less manpower to just close westridge rather than moving schools all around. Not sure the parents are going to be to pleased anyways seeing as their children will have to go to school next store to "those" apartments!

SCATS said...

To 9:15PM ~~ Shhhh! That's much too simple to do and it makes way too much sense, too ;) The fact is that we should be closing at minimum 3 schools.

Anonymous said...

I am still trying to figure out how the districts lines are drawn to begin with. We live between paddy hill and kirk road and yet our kids are zoned to parkland. Yet there are families who live over by English road and long pond whose children are closer to pinebrook and parkland and Brookside who are zoned as paddy hill and kirk road... and if my children remain at parkland, this means they will be bussed to Brookside rather than to the closest schools to our address? They want to move west ridge all the way to parkland? Is any of west ridge a neighborhood school or is it 100% school of choice? If it is a percentage of neighborhood families, their kids will be passing my kids on the bus in the morning??? This is craziness! How is this saving on transportation costs and making things easier? This sounds like it is going to make a bigger mess of things than already!

This district needs to be re-zoned completely and go back to neighborhood schools and start from scratch! What a nightmare.

Anonymous said...

Westridge and OA are going to end up closed. That's two SCATS. They aren't really closing them though because that would anger to many parents. Those parents at Parkland won't cause a stink that their kids are getting sent down longpond. It will be great for Westridge- not so great for the attendance of Parkland. Many of these families don't have transportation so if the kids miss the bus they won't be walking them over. As long as they keep those yes budget votes happy!

Anonymous said...

What took so long to get enrollment data?

Doesn't seem long at all.

BEDS (Basic Educational Data System) day was Oct. 5.

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/beds/2011/IMF/Memos/BEDS-EnrollmentMemoSept2011.pdf

SCATS said...

To 11:23PM ~~ To argue that GCSD had no clue what enrollment was until BEDS Day only serves to prove we have no idea what we're doing without a push from governmental intervention in the form of such deadlines. Seems to me we should have had a pretty good handle on our enrollment figures in September, just like we used to do ;)

Anonymous said...

8:19 is correct. The whole district from pre-k through retired taxpayers should be attending that meeting at odyssey about the restructuring. It has an impact on all of us.
Our administration, by allowing Sue Mayer free reign to spin and control, is guilty of malfeasance and Babs is not being open and honest. The whole community should be invited to any sessions that change the configuration of the district. Odyssey should not have insider information.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what happens to the Hoover Drive building/property when it is no longer used for education. I seem to recall the district would then lose use of it, right?

Anonymous said...

OK........so what is the student enrollment this year??????? Or did I miss the number in Scats posting?

Anonymous said...

Instead of getting upset that Odyssey is having a meeting for its parents to discuss suggestions, why are we not upset that the other schools are not doing this for their parents? I'd love it if my kids' school's principal offered any kind of parent information night.

Anonymous said...

To 9:59~~ not every family at parkland lives in those apartments or even anywhere near them for that matter! There are a lot of middle class families from nice neighborhoods (like ours) who are victims of circumstance through this district because our kids didn't make "the list" for the other school options when we applied. It is not our fault that our boundary lines were cut within the vicinity of the apartment complex next door to the campus! This is particularly worsened when you are trying to get 3 kids into the same school and not have to choose between your children on who gets a better learning environment, let alone the different school day schedules for each school! Please tell me what would you do if you had twins and one got into the elite school whilebthe other got stuck at the bottom of the barrel? This isvthe position the district has put us in! Please refrain from over-generalizing with your comments!

SCATS said...

To 4:57AM ~~ That is correct. The land doesn't belong to us.

To 7:12AM ~~ Babs didn't mention a number last night. However, she did mention the number 11,880 shortly after school opened.

To 9:09AM ~~ What if you realized your school administration hadn't been given the same heads up as certain of the others? THAT'S a big issue.

SCATS said...

To 10:05AM ~~ You relied upon over-generalizations to make your point! I'm pretty sure that if we were to look at the actual demographics of whatever student population has been left to survive at Parkland we would find that MOST OF THEM LIVE AT AFFINITY, and not in the "nice neighborhoods" you mentioned.

While the district has left you to ponder the fate of your twins, it has also cost you your ability to see what they are REALLY doing! By moving WR to Parkland & Parkland to Brookside, GCSD ensures that the "savings" of closing any school will NOT be maximized!"

Anonymous said...

Should we wait to complain about the changes in the district until the district actually annouces suggested changes.
It seems the that super is going through a deliberate, albeit lengthy, process to determine suggestions for the BOE to act on. Part of that process necessarily includes the consideration of any plausible scenario. The fact that moving of WR to Parkland may or may not have been discussed does not mean that it will in any way be included in a final plan.
I have been somewhat encouraged by the talk of the new super and am willing to wait for the December meeting to hear her suggestions.
Perhaps we should all give her an opportunity to make some change. She has spoken to the potential for closing schools since she was hired. I have no reason to doubt her sincerity.
History tells us the BOE will make a mess of this, but maybe we will all be surprised.

Tom Kackmeister said...

I am accepting nominations for a special award I give the district every year. I expect that this year the award will go to those involved in the restructuring decision process.

THE AWARD?

The "AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, MORE IS SAID THAN DONE" Award,

Any recommendations?

SCATS said...

To Tom Kackmeister ~~ I'd suggest that you give that award to Don Nadolinski even though he has departed GCSD. He certainly steered DO into the direction they've taken with Babs at the helm. A second award could also be bestowed, perhaps to Julia for her "transparency" on all the issues lol

Anonymous said...

Do we know what the objective is for the changes being talked about?
I thought it was to reduce bussing costs.
If the changes being talked about does not include the elimination of SOC that would be a big mistake.

Anonymous said...

10:11 - I guess I don't see this an any particular administrator getting a heads up. Haven't we all seen the suggestions here and have the ability to attend board meetings? I just don't see where insider information comes to play.

SCATS said...

To 1:20PM ~~ Is your kid's school having a meeting before their next PTA meeting to doscuss this topic? I guess they aren't. I'll refer you back to the first comment posted on this thread AND the fact that OA's PTA meeting will be preceded by such an "insider info" meeting that other schools will not be having.

Anonymous said...

10:05 Are you saying the people from "those apartments" as you named them are not living in a "nice neighborhood" like yours.? You sound like the man who was in his pajamas when rita came to call in his "family neighborhood". You writers are hilarious.
I try to picture the juxtaposition of the children from "those apartments' with the children of the "nice neighborhoods" playing and learning together at Parkland. PTA events must be a real trip there. I wonder if breakfast with santa is divided into sections or there is a different shift for the unfortunate that have to live in "the apartment complex" as well as those that are forced to attend parkland because they didn't make the lottery into the school of choice.
I also wonder if Parkland staff likes your characterization of the school as the "bottom of the barrel"?
Are you also looking down upon the neighborhoods that are "anywhere near them" regarding "those apartments"? Those poor unfortunate souls on Jeffreelind and Quesada etc. Please note sarcasm.

SCATS said...

To 12:56PM ~~ So far, the only "changes" I'm hearing about is being called a "school consolidation" plan. Please note this is MUCH DIFFERENT from a school closing plan. If we were actually closing a school, there would be elimination of staff, administration, etc. I don't hear that any such idea is being contemplated, thus the "savings" from this scheme will be less than maximized, by design.

To 1:50PM ~~ You mean they don't have white Santa, black Santa, hispanic Santa & east European Santa??

Anonymous said...

No matter how you cut it....the demographics of greece are changing and its NOT for the better! The plague of the city is moving in. Try selling a house in the olympia or parkland school area...good luck...nobody wants to send there kids to those schools unless they are coming in from a worse district (the city). Soon enough nobody will want to buy a house anywhere in Greece at all no matter what schools. Their goes your property value!
Take a look at Irondequoit or Gates, its nearly impossible to sell a house over $80,000 in those districts.

Anonymous said...

SCATS and 1:50- are we forgetting that there is no holiday talk about Santa allowed? It just isn't politically correct to speak of the jolly old guy in schools anymore... so I would assume there is no classification with the breakfast lines at any schools or for their Winter gatherings!

It is unfortunate that any talk of Parkland always come down to the apartments next door. There are other families!

Anonymous said...

Soooo....they will take the same expensive elitist programs and just squish them into less space and they think we won't notice the cost is the same. They think we are stuck at the pre-intuitive level of Piaget's cognition theory. The following is from wikipedia:
"In Piaget's most famous task, a child is presented with two identical beakers containing the same amount of liquid. The child usually notes that the beakers have the same amount of liquid.When one of the beakers is poured into a taller and thinner container, children who are younger than 7 or 8 years old typically say that the two beakers now contain a different amount of liquid. The child simply focuses on the height and width of the container compared to the general concept."
They must think we won't notice that there are the same number of staff but housed in different locations.
And that word "consolidation" is used in the catholic diocese to take the sting out of parish closings. They say they are consolidating the parish "communities" when they close 3 churches and say they are housed at one building and name it after some new saint like blessed Hiawatha. . Hey they seem to have swallowed it hook line and sinker so why not the sheeple of Greece.

SCATS said...

To 2:49PM ~~ SHHH!!! Don't let the BOE hear you say that! They will DENY, DENY, DENY it!

As for Olympia HS, don't look now, but the city kids are already going to school there! Just cruise by at dismissal time and follow where the masses go ...

To 2:52PM ~~ SORRY!! It was a brief lapse ;)

To 3:06PM ~~ You mean those beakers hold the same!?!? I thought they were trying to trick me!! Oh wait, they ARE trying to trick me ... never mind ...

Anonymous said...

Have you heard of the Mckinney-Vento act? Here's a link that i got directly from the greece Central website
http://www.nysteachs.org/media/INF_RES_SP_NYS_ShortGuide_Aug10.pdf
This should make your blood boil.
i talked to Greece transportation Dept and they confirmed for me that "several" buses leave Greece schools everyday and head from greece schools into the city. According to the link they will transport kids up to 50 miles ONE way under this act. They also told me it is highly abused and the city residents are very aware of this program and how to use (abuse) it... us suburban folks are so dumb!

SCATS said...

To 4:13PM ~~ I was aware that we were required to transport and educate "homeless children" some of whom are living as far away as Canandaigua & Buffalo. I was not aware of all of the additional services we are required to provide.

I'm also aware that Greece Central has basically HALTED any attempts to remove city kids illegally attending Greece schools and that this has made certain schools a mess for those who reside in Greece.

Anonymous said...

Under that act the child would have had to been enrolled at a greece school prior to being homeless and subsequently moving out of the gcsd to temp housing. If the child never attended greece they can not use the M V act to register. So they previous post is misleading.

Anonymous said...

Did you see the special announcement on the District website? Looks like SM may have met her match with BD-W. The Odyssey PTSA meeting is now a District wide meeting that will be broadcasted for all to hear the same message. It is about time that SM was reigned in!

SCATS said...

To 9:39PM ~~ It does not say it will be broadcast on WGMC the night it happens though and that is too bad.

Aren't all PTA meetings open meetings anyway? Would they actually actively work to exclude non-members? I remember when neighbors of the schools were invited to attend without even the need for a membership.

Anonymous said...

9:43...My statement was not misleading at all...the reality is its VERY easy to attend greece schools using someone else's address and they only need to get away with it for a very short amount of time until they say they are moving to "temp" housing in the city. And according to Mkinney Vento act your considered homeless if you live with someone (grandma, aunt, friend) that pretty much makes the entire city qualified. VERY easily manipulated and you have by crazy to not see its happening ALL the time here in Greece.