Tuesday, September 27, 2011

Site-Based Mgmt: Has It Negatively Influenced School Performance?

  
At tonight's school board study session, more discussion ensued surrounding the pitiful performance by Greece Central students on the NY State ELA & Math tests when compared to the other 18 suburban districts. Again, students classified as Special Ed, from low-income homes or possessing certain racial/ethnic make-ups were discussed in relation to the overall poor outcomes.

Thankfully, the Supt. began asking lots of good questions about other factors that are sure to be equally as important. It turns out that Greece district schools DO NOT ALL OFFER EQUAL AMOUNTS OF INSTRUCTIONAL TIME FROM SUBJECT-TO-SUBJECT! In fact, they aren't all offering equal amounts of total instructional time during the school day, period.

How can we expect poorer students at non-choice schools to perform as well as the few who attend Pine Brook (for example), when the other elements aren't even?

Maybe Babs will discover that Odyssey isn't so unique after all!
  

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think (hope) Babs is starting to slowly push the SOC supporters into an indefensible corner. Yes, these people tend to simply plug their ears and scream like children when faced with adversity, but Babs seems to be feeding them baby bites of reality a little at a time.

Anonymous said...

Another thing to keep in mind when comparing kids in similar socioeconomic classes is what we are not privy to, namely the parent's education level... A parent that is a student can be low income but the kid is in a much better position to do well.

Also if a teacher has 13 or 14 kids out of 20 that need extra help as opposed to 2 or 3, well it is obvious what kids will get that much needed attention.

Anonymous said...

Why this desire to punish SOC parents, and by extension their children?

Anonymous said...

I don't really understand the surprise when special ed kids are not passing state tests. Aren't they are in special ed because they are multiple grade levels behind compared to other kids their age? Why then would anyone be surprised that they fail a test given at the grade level they are in?

For example - student is in ninth grade and reads at a sixth grade level (qualifying him for special ed), student takes ninth grade state reading test and does not pass. Where is the surprise? We already know he's reading at a sixth grade level!

Only a politician would come up with a system like this.

SCATS said...

To 10:38AM ~~ Excuse me but I think a very good case can be made that MOST Greece students outside the schools-of-choice have been "punished" for years! They've gotten by with less than they should have had on multiple fronts, so that we could accommodate choice and the added costs. EQUITY IS NEEDED. If you find that punishing, too bad.

To 11:09AM ~~ MANY non-special ed students read behind grade level! Surprise, surprise!! Are your kids among them??

Anonymous said...

Do you (10:38) realize the masses have been punished so the minority could flourish for over 20 years? Taking away the privileges isn't punishment. It's equity.

Anonymous said...

I understand some feel that non-SOC kids get short shrift, but I find the apparent glee over closing down SOC disconcerting. I'm not defending SOC, just noting the apparent mean-spirited Schadenfreude.

SCATS said...

To 8:10PM ~~ REALLY>?? Where were you during the last 20 years when SOC supporters were being snotty about winning the lottery? I was naseated when listening to BOE meetings where West Ridge parents talked about their school's "child-centered education" like they invented rocket science or something! Like the saying goes ... payback is a _itch.

Anonymous said...

Well...that's pretty clear, then.

Anonymous said...

instead of brings SOCs down to the level of the rest of the schools, how about bringing the rest of the schools up to the level of the SOCs?

SCATS said...

To 10:50AM ~~ Yeah, right! Let's put Suzie Meier in charge of Olympia HS for the next 3 years and watch test scores & graduation rates SKYROCKET! ;)

Anonymous said...

10:50 when the school have the "right" to refusal of students THEN the others could be like SOC. Free public education is what prohibits bringing all schools to the level of SOC!

Anonymous said...

To SCATS: "Excuse me but I think a very good case can be made that MOST Greece students outside the schools-of-choice have been "punished" for years! They've gotten by with less than they should have had on multiple fronts, so that we could accommodate choice and the added costs."

What have non-SOC kids foregone? Both my kids went through the "dreaded" Parkland/Brookside schools and had great teachers, made good friends and got a first rate education.

SCATS said...

To 6:49PM ~~ What does making good friends have to do with anything? How do you know your kids got "a first rate education?" Are YOU a teacher? What did you compare their education to?

Did your kids get door-to-door limo, er bus, service? Did they have as much time on task in each subject area as the kids from Pine Brook? Did they get to go on the SAME field trips? Did you have to pay out-of-pocket for those trips? Did they have all of the same activities & non-academic opportunities? Did your kids have to provide school & cleaning supplies for others? The list could go on & on & on ...

Anonymous said...

6:49, just so you know.... What your kids DIDN'T get was a classroom filled with kids who's parents cared enough to apply for the "lottery". Instead, you got classrooms containing kids who's parents registered them a day or two before kindergarten began (for instance). SOC have the most ultra involved families in the district by far. That doesn't mean other good families are out there, but it does mean the enviroment for learning is better at these SOC. But of course, you already knew that.

Anonymous said...

Great response Scats