Thursday, August 11, 2011

GCSD Fails With Latest ELA & Math Scores

"Despite (districtwide) efforts, the NY State test scores were disappointing." ~~ GCSD Administrator

Greece Scores Grades 3-8, ELA & Math (starts pg. 533)


SCATS ~~ It appears that the longer a student remains in the Greece Central School District after 3rd grade, the dumber he/she becomes, especially in reading! Perhaps longterm exposure to a Greece teacher is detrimental to learning and/or literacy ... ?


Anonymous said...

"Teaching" seems to have become and exercise in how quickly children can be turned into copies of one another.

When I was in school their were kids who performed well and were excellerated, kids who were average and stayed at grade level, and kids who underperformed and were placed in remedial groups to help them catch up.

In today's classrooms, it appears that the plan is to make all children perform equally. The quickest way to achieve that is the retard the growth and advancement of high achievers and lower the overall performance of the group.

These test results are abyssmal! Half of the students taking an exam are unable to complete it at grade level? What an abject failure of our educational system in general and school district specifically.

Anonymous said...

Hey 9:00AM... did YOU go the Greece schools? (I'm gonna guess "Yes.")

SCATS said...

To 12:32AM ~~ I'm "gonna" guess that YOU did, too ;)

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:33pm,
I didn't go to Greece schools.
I guess I should proofread a little better.
I still believe my assement holds, even with a few typographical errors.

Anonymous said...

The sad truth is that our schools are not and never were designed to push forward the best and brightest. The school system is about creating a compliant group of workers to feed our industrial and service sectors. And, when NCLB is entirely focused on bringing all students only to competency, the vast majority of our resources will continue to be spent on the bottom half of the distribution. The upper half of the distribution will be just fine on their own. But the truth is...most all of them would be just fine on their own. All the testing only serves to reinforce the propaganda of the need for the entire system of public schools as they are.

Maybe it's time to rethink the whole system of schooling as it stands.

What is it for?
What is its purpose?
Do we really need it?

Google John Taylor Gatto and read The Underground History of American Education if you really want an eye-opener.

An excerpt:

The shocking possibility that dumb people don’t exist in sufficient numbers to warrant the careers devoted to tending to them will seem incredible to you. Yet that is my proposition: Mass dumbness first had to be imagined; it isn’t real.

Once the dumb are wished into existence, they serve valuable functions: as a danger to themselves and others they have to be watched, classified, disciplined, trained, medicated, sterilized, ghettoized, cajoled, coerced, jailed. To idealists they represent a challenge, reprobates to be made socially useful. Either way you want it, hundreds of millions of perpetual children require paid attention from millions of adult custodians. An ignorant horde to be schooled one way or another.

SCATS said...

To 11:29PM ~~ That gives a whole new meaning to "I see stupid people" ... thank you for the thought-provoking comment.

Shelly Reitz said...

How about the parents of these children who are scoring so poorly taking a more active role in their childs education and not just leaving it all up to someone else? How much can we truly blame on JUST the schools? While I hold the GSD responsible for my childs education, as its their job, I also hold myself responsible for the quality according to his needs that may not be being met within the schools curriculum. Simply because that is my job as his parent. Just a thought...

Anonymous said...

I agree it takes involved parents who value education to help create the expectations of academic achievement. However, it also takes a well thought out academic plan, put together by the trained educators in our district, to put a process in place that makes sense and has a proven track record of achieving academic growth.It won't happen by making a paper goal of improving performance. It will only happen when we get a sound educational program that teaches the three R's and critical thinking.

Anonymous said...

Well said Shelly! I came from a home where I was expected to do well in school. Going on to college was an expectation, not an option. I did not go to a school with great scores overall, but I still did well. I did well because my parents taught me that education was important and I worked hard. Those values are just not as present in all families today. Schools and teachers need to learn how to teach to a different demographic. It is a team effort!

Anonymous said...

Spoken like a true Greece teacher!

Anonymous said...

Of course parents have responsibility for their child's education.

As long as the community is paying $15k + to educate these students, I will continue hold the school system and teachers accountable.

They are always quick to accept credit for improvements in scores/performance and blame parents / wring their hands in confusion when test scores drop.

SCATS said...

To Shelly ~~ I find it fascinating that if I were to suggest that students can receive a great education via home schooling, I'm ripped up one side & down the other by teachers who claim it takes a Masters Degree and certification to do justice to educating a child, BUT on the other hand, when things in the public school classrooms go poorly, it's the fault of parents who are expected "to take a more active role."


No one EVER blames the teachers & they get PAID to do this work!

Anonymous said...

The teachers are doing the best they can within a system that's not designed to make children succeed.

That's the truth of the compulsory school system.

It's not about growing successful, educated, curious learners. It's about creating a compliant workforce.

Testing is about continuing to hoodwink the public into thinking that there's something wrong with the kids. The more that's wrong with them, the more expensive "educators" we need to fix the problems.

Homeschool completely if you're lucky enough to be able to muster the resources to do so. Your kids might will be better off.

But even if you can't homeschool entirely, there's really no excuse for ceding your child's entire education over to the public education monopoly. Just because they're going to school doesn't absolve you as a parent from the responsibility of making sure they stretch their minds.

And, I call horsepucky on this..." it also takes a well thought out academic plan, put together by the trained educators in our district, to put a process in place that makes sense and has a proven track record of achieving academic growth.It won't happen by making a paper goal of improving performance."

For crying out loud, how long did the human race not have a public education system and still manage to figure out how to advance, learn and be creative? We are not a collective of drooling imbeciles who need to be conditioned into learning. It's our natural state.

SCATS said...

Re: "The teachers are doing the best they can within a system that's not designed to make children succeed."

I'd almost believe that if it weren't for the fact that in Greece Central it is NEVER EVER the teachers who are to blame ... and there are ALWAYS DOZENS OF EXCUSES for why things don't work, can't improve, go wrong, etc. The administrators, teachers and support staff all sing the "we're victims" song much too often.

Anonymous said...

What I'm saying, though, is there is no "blame" to be had. They're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.

The problem lies with us, those of us who cling to the fallacy that the public education system is truly about turning out educated people. It's not.

Fighting about the chimera of test scores is all smoke and mirrors designed to keep us from fighting back against a system that keeps creating phony crises and insisting we need to spend more and more and classify more and more and oversee more and more and test more and more and benchmark more and more. The whole system is a scam. The teachers are just cogs doing the job they're designed to do.

The fault is in the game, not in the players.

Anonymous said...

I am a teacher and I would rather homeschool my children then send them to Greece schools. My reasoning is not because of the teachers. I think that there are some fantastic teachers in Greece. I won't send my children to Greece for the same reason I would not send my children to city schools- the population. Greece has changed and is more like the city. There are many schools where 2 parent families no longer exist. Parenting is hard and so many people are taking that on that are not ready and willing to do what it takes. It is sad for the kids! Everyone needs to stop placing blame and start suggesting solutions. Are all teachers bad and corrupt? No! Are all of the parents neglecting their children? No! When does the b***ching stop and the solving the problem begin?

Anonymous said...

to 9:35, yes, in a better world parents could teach their kids what they need to be successful. Do you really think all the parents (including single parent families)have the time or ability to teach their own kids? I agree with the earlier writer that we need some help from people who should be able to help our children learn.

SCATS said...

To 10:40PM ~~ Re: "They're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing."

If that is truly the case, then maybe they have not been taught to do it well or correctly. There has to be SOME blame placed on the teachers in this equation! They spend 6+ hrs/day with these kids strictly for the purpose of imparting knowledge into their noggins. If they are learning to read at 3rd grade in a school, but failing to do as well at higher levels within that school, then methinks there just might be some reason within that school for the less than stellar performance over time.

To 8AM ~~ Yet, within educational circles the only "solutions" proposed are ones with large pricetags attached. It's always about the money, yet the more money that is invested, the poorer the results.

Could it be that young teachers are graduating college without the skills needed to teach successfully? When you put a 25 yr. old into a classroom full of 17-18 yr. olds, it's essentially peers teaching peers.

Anonymous said...

Yes but the reading problem seems to be 9-11 year olds according to your hypothesis of diminishing returns after 3rd grade. Even if the teachers are 25 let's hope this is not peers teaching peers LOL. 17 and 18 year olds are being taught in high school by graduates that majored in whatever discipline they are teaching be it science or math or history or language arts and english. That does not have an impact on the reading and math scores of 3rd thru 8th graders unless you master time travel.
And SAT scores show ability in language and writing and math to show an aptitude for college placement in part. Are the skills tested in SAT still being taught in high school other than math? Is this optional assessment the only way we can judge the performance of our high schools?

So the problem in grades 4 and on could be that many of the students are new to Greece? Maybe learning disabilities are not seen until the courses at elementary become more rigorous than 3rd grade? Are the children ability tracked in their homerooms or are they a motley crew in homeroom and divided into ability groups for math and then reading? Does the administration really know what is happening at each building? Is this a problem in all our suburbs but Greece is the worst because it is the first stop out of the city?
Maybe the administration should have a piece of humble pie and have a focus group of the church related home schooler parents that do not seem to have any trouble teaching reading and math to the average and above average children...and getting more than satisfactory results!
We cannot rest on our backsides and blame this problem only on lower IQ and learning disabled children. Those large numbers not reading and doing math at their grade level include far and away average students. There is no excuse for them not reading at grade level.

SCATS said...

To 12:45PM ~~ Of course 3rd graders aren't their peers. However, that fails to address my question about whether or not new young teachers have been adequately prepared to teach effectively. Somewhere along the way, the ball is being dropped inside the classroom.

Re: " lower IQ and learning disabled children ..."

Isn't it time that we accept openly the fact that not all students are going to be college material? Isn't it time to teach them to read, write, do math & then fit them into an appropriate vocational training opportunity where working with their hands is what works for them? There's nothing wrong with working in construction, an institutional kitchen, or other such skilled areas.