Tuesday, June 07, 2011

Whining & Crying & Hand-Wringing, Oh My!

  
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Anonymous said...

I listened to about a dozen speakers.
Two words discribe each speaker - self centered.

Anonymous said...

Are the SCATS scaredy cats? I didn't see/hear a single speaker against schools of choice tonight. Where's all of this public outrage you folks speak of?

Anonymous said...

From where did you listen; the safe confines of your home hiding from the reality ? Couldn't face the music eh? I don't blame you; after all you didn't have your leader Frank there to standy by you. He couldn't face it either.

Anonymous said...

6 of our elementary schools had over 50% kids on free/reduced lunch (2009/10). Pinebrook had 11%. If we retain SOC they should reflect the 38% of kids on free/reduced lunch in the District or whatever it is this year/next year.

Anonymous said...

"Professional Educators" know perfectly well why their programs are successful! Classism and racism in Greece, NY! Stats do not lie... Do not pee on me and tell me it is raining- Wake up BOE! This is a public school district...we should not allow segregation of overwhelmingly white and middle class into a select few schools- leaving behind more of our schools with high rates of poverty! If I were a teacher I'd be angry as hell unless I worked in one of the choosen schools!

Anonymous said...

Parent Donna Legault said, "We're hearing that families want choice and I totally agree with that."

Legault, who works at Odyssey, says size was a factor when she decided to send her daughter there.

Some parents also want to make sure their children can attend the same school.

"With a district that's in need of funds, and the budgets are tight, why would they send two buses down the same street for one family," Legault asked.


What planet are these parents on? This is exactly what happens already - one bus for my special neighbors whose kids got into Pinebrook, and 2 other buses for us poor schmucks whose kids have to go to Paddy Hill and Kirk Rd. That's 3 buses genius! How is SOC saving money?

SCATS said...

To 7:34PM ~~ I listened to almost 30 speakers. Your description fit each of them.

To 9:57PM & 5:27AM ~~ My family doesn't participate in orchestrated mob scenes like those that assemble at Charlotte Beach on Memorial Day or that go to phoney public "hearings" facilitated by a guy who gives kudos to the speakers he agrees with.

THE BOE OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR PERMITTING THIS MOB MENTALITY WITH THE HOOTING, JEERING, CHEERING, APPLAUDING & GENERAL CHAOS AT A BOE MEETING! THERE IS JUST ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE IT: D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L!!

SCATS said...

To 11:07AM ~~ You are 100% correct! In fact, many of the VERY SAME REASONS WHY THEY WANT TO RETAIN SOC's ARE REASONS WHY OTHERS ARE MAD AS HELL ABOUT THE LACK OF EQUITY IN GREECE!

ALL GREECE KIDS DESERVE THE EMOTIONAL, EDUCATIONAL, FINANCIAL & MORAL SUPPORT OF THE SCHOOLS, THE DISTRICT & THE COMMUNITYY, NOT JUST THE LOTTERY WINNERS.

Another thing that was very apparent last night is that this self-serving group of rowdy dissidents certainly does NOT want to FIX WHAT'S BROKEN in Greece Central. They want what they already have to stay as an elitist opportunity for the minority (i.e. upper-middle class whites in Greece), as evidenced by their disdain for the notion that Odyssey could be expanded with a move to Apollo that would help alleviate the wait list situation.

SOC PARENTS/SUPPORTERS: YOU REVEALED YOUR TRUE SELVES LAST NIGHT ... and it wasn't a pretty sight.

Anonymous said...

11;41 SCATS that is exactly why I did not speak. I did not want to be targeted nor did I want my kids to be.

SCATS said...

To 11:53AM ~~ AGREED! From the start when VanOrman introduced BOE members to cheers & applause, the mob should have been shut-down with warnings to behave or be removed by security. But hey, it's very apparent that this group was quite comfy with 8 of our BOE members, most especially Gale "SOC" O'Toole ;)

Anonymous said...

If you listen to the arguments for SOC and transfer then to the 1960's south, you can almost see the well-off, nice folks of European descent arguing for the separate but equal schools that were so pervasive at that time. It's a little embarrassing that we would even consider continuing this program.
I wonder when the lawsuits alleging the de factor serration will start. How much will be, the taxpayers, have to fork over to high proceed attorneys in an attempt to continue this system. Why can't our elected BOE see the legal problems with this system before it's too late?

Anonymous said...

Moral and ethical issues are what drive me to oppose the current SOC system but money and legal issues are what BOEs respond to the most- sadly, not educating kids.

Anonymous said...

I listened to a few speakers. They absolutly did not care about any extra cost associated with soc. What came to mind was the district swim team having to raise money (about $4,000) on their own in order to exist next season.

Do you think any of 'these' speakers cared?

Anonymous said...

Of course Donna Legault's child goes to Odyssey. All of GCSD employees children get to go to the schools of choice. It's the rest of the people who have to use the lottery system.
And as far as showing up at a meeting GCSD screens who they will let talk. It's just like the exit polls with the voting. Only the good comments get kept. They flush the bad ones. Waltz maybe gone, but it the same old thing in Greece.

SCATS said...

To 2:48PM ~~ Now, now. They had ONE speaker say they teach at Odyssey & their kid din't win the lottery ;)Of course, that teacher is likely being punished for not towing the line in some way.

I disagree about the exit polls in that both O'Rourke & Oberg have admitted that SOC's and their extra cost are the #1 reason people vote no in Greece at budget time.

Anonymous said...

I entered the lottery becuase I have three children and thought it would be adventageous to have them in the same school for elementary school.
I am not elite, I am not upper middle class, I do not know anyone at the district office, I do not work for the district. Many of the families in my children's classes resemble mine.

The district should make each and every elementary school K-5 next year.
The district should close Odyssey this summer.
The district should redistrict and close buildings, where appropriate.
The district should create reasonable walking distances to school.

All of these could be accomplished in a very short period of time. Changes are coming, let's just pull the band-aid off quickly and get it over with.

Anonymous said...

3:21 I know many good parents that sound just like you and I agree on most of what you stated but OA is different than the rest of Greece- Only 16% of kids are on free/reduced lunch (i believe also 90% white)- the District is 38%! Ten of our schools are over 40%, 6 are over 50%! Many families are struggling including middle class ones so it is sometimes hard to see how much better off you/we are- but we are. Maybe your kid is one of those 16%- I wish none of our kids were!
FYI: NOT being eligible for Free/Reduced lunch is a top predictor of success in school and higher graduation rates!

Anonymous said...

To 3:21 Sorry I miss read what you wrote- I agree with all you wrote... I don't blame parents, I blame Administrators who knew/know perfectly well what was happening with the SOC! They "LOOKED" GOOD based on stats that are miss leading at best! It is all in the demographics of the SOC.

Anonymous said...

The speakers said that because Greece is the size of a metro area we should have choice like the city schools. In the city each magnet school looks at applicants and makes sure that there is a racial mix at each. The tech as well as the art school. Maybe we should make sure Odyssey and the baby choice schools do that also.
The city magnets do not have any legacy perks either. Also the city kids by and large have to walk to school. So if they want to be like the city let's do it. Odyssey the school with a heart.

Robert Bertoni from North Greece said...

Sorry, but I have to synch back with 6/7, 9:57pm. Where were all the folks talking against SOC at the BOE? Folks, it is easy to post here on a blog anonymously, but man-up and make your voice heard at the BOE meeting. Don't give us any crap either about being targeted. Well if SOC continues, then the folks on this blog who did not speak up at the BOE faciliated that happening.

SCATS said...

To 5:11PM who uses a phony Blogger Account link ~~ Had anyone stood up to speak against anything related to the SOC topics, how do you think the crowd in the audience would have reacted? Would they have applauded? Cheered? Would they have sat silently & respectfully? The answers are No, No, No and No!!

They would have boo'ed, jeered, hollered and possibly become physically threatening to anyone who dared to oppose them. And you know 100% for sure that it is true. That was nothing but a show of force by the district's second worst group of bullies. No wonder no one respects our BOE.

Anonymous said...

I have written the BOE numerous times- they know my opinion- based of FACTS! To set myself and my kids up to be miss treated is not part of how this should work. No one there last night seemed interested in helping ALL of Greece just their "own". The BOE needs to do the right thing by all.

Anonymous said...

To set the record straight, I did NOT use a phony blogger link (at least I did not purposely do that). I stated my name, Robert Bertoni, and I live in North Greece. Folks need to get out of this Anonymous thing and speak up for themselves as themselves. And yes, I expect folks to speak their mind at the BOE meeting no matter which side they are on. Man up.

Anonymous said...

Just another example of the inequity of the favored SOC...it's my understanding (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) Pinebrook 5th graders are being taken to Darien Lake to enjoy a day at the water park while Kirk Rd. students will be sent down Latta Rd. to the fireman's field. Wonder what other schools are doing? Personally, I think either is unnecessary but I just got to wondering....

SCATS said...

To 8:15PM ~~ We're NOT going to rehash the anonymity thing again. We did it 5 yrs. ago. Let it go. Move along ... or move out of Greece (that's the "solution" we're given for anything people in this town oppose).

Anonymous said...

Actually I agree with you on that as I do not hold much weight to the folks who say SOC or they will move. Where a family lives is a much more complex issue than just what school the kids go to. My kid goes to a SOC because that is the right school for him.

That said, the issue that set me off today was the implied threat of "now we know where you live" eveb if it was done in jest. SOC, while an emotional topic, is not one which should have implied or threatened violence associated with it. Kids spoke at the session - mine was one. Whatever side of the issue they were on, that took some guts. They don't need the threat. Robert Bertoni from North Greece.

Anonymous said...

A lone voice speaking out to the BOE- speaking the truth- should be more valuable than 400 speaking selfishness! Where are the religious leaders in this town- it is immoral what has been allowed to happen here! 11% disadvantaged kids at Pinebrook- 66% at Parkland! Try to defend that...

Anonymous said...

To 6/8 8:47 pm-
I can't speak to PB's 5th grade trip this year, but I assure you FOR SEVERAL YEARS Kirk Rd.'s 5th grade class has gone to Darien Lake. If they choose to go to the Fireman's field this year, the problem is what? Give it up naysayers !

SCATS said...

To 5:58AM ~~ Oh puh-leeze! Don't try to sell the idea that it's a "choice" to go to the Fireman's Field instead of an amusement park. How ridiculous you sound with that lame idea.

As far as naysayers are concerned, a friend pointed out, accurately so I think, that SOC parents have their panties in a bunch because they WANTED A CONFRONTATION at Tuesday night's meeting & didn't get it.

I'm still waiting to hear someone tell us how anyone who dared to speak against SOC parents Tuesday night would have been received by the little lynch mob in the seats? It's OK. Let your crickets chirp away. We already know the answer ;)

Anonymous said...

As a parent that is involved with my children's education it frustrates me that the SOC parents feel that they are the only parents that care and thus entitled to SOC. My husband and I would have also liked a CHOICE of OA for our children.

The argument that SOC parents make choices to keep sibs together has no rationale, my close in age children haven been in school together with only one year apart as one moved on to BH. I have been very happy with HR BH and while I never applied for a SOC for k-5 I did for grade 6 for my 2 oldest. We never had a chance of getting into OA being on the wait-list at 116 and even moved to 122 one year?

The reality for us is t we value eduction in our home and my children are successful outside a SOC. That being said, those same parents that plead to keep SOC based on the success they have experienced is not because of the school the child attends but rather what your expectations as a family are.

I do have one child that is in secondary option and as of today there has been little or no discussion as to what choice "us" parents will have.

It is OK with me if ALL choice is ended and stated such at BOE THIS YEAR. Does it feel good, no, but everyone will survive.

Shannon

Anonymous said...

Prediction:

The board will review all the hard data supporting the academic value of schools of choice:

The board will take seriously the voice of the people wanting continuity of programs:

And then decide:

1.Since there is no data justifing even one dime being spend on SOC, and:

2. Since more continuity would be gained by returning to K-5 neighborhood schools where there would be family continuity, school/facility continuity, neighborhood continuity,

3. And school accountability:

Well jolly gee-z-wizz, neighborhood schools makes the most sence.

So the prediction: they will bury heads in the sand and vote to to nothing.

Heros on and all!

Anonymous said...

Here's a question for you.

Do you think the BOE will vote on anything this coming Tuesday?
Or will they simply kick the can down the road to be dealt with later? Again!