Monday, June 06, 2011

Teacher Pay In Greece Is 3rd Highest Of 67 Local Districts

  
Livonia ranks #1
Pittsford ranks #2
Greece ranks #3

SCATS ~~ So we're #3 despite not giving GTA a new contract in years? Yet we are near the bottom in the county for how we rank on academic outcomes. Sounds like there's NO REASON TO NEGOTIATE ANY NEW CONTRACT!
  

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

The fact I find most interesting is that 50% of the teachers in Greece CSD earn more than $61,000.

It is quite a bit higher than the figure most of the GTA members throw around.

$61K is also quite a bit higher than the $48,124 average household income in Greece, by almost 22%.

SCATS said...

To 2:43PM ~~ Most Greece teachers don't live in Greece either, so they do not care.

Anonymous said...

Do any of the administrators live in Greece?

SCATS said...

To 4:11PM ~~ Quite a few of the ones I'm familiar with do not. I guess it depends on how far down the chain of command you want to look. Principals?

Anonymous said...

2:43, now consider how many days that average person making $48,124 has to work in a year. I Guarantee it's a he'll of a lot more that 187. I'd also be willing to bet that there aren't tons of people hoping to get hired for that $48k job, unlike the teaching profession which is overflowing with candidates trying to get hired, because it is a sweet gig. All that and some blowhard at Odyssey would have people believe that teacher morale might suffer if their private boat gets rocked. What a joke! Did she really get a $7,000 raise from 08-10?! Now she wants sympathy?

Anonymous said...

to 2:43...It is not the percentage of teachers that earn that pay.

To Scats...Read again and quit skewing the facts. Greece is not he third highest paying district. Actually try to give the facts. Greece is the 13th highest paying district. This is such a well written credible piece of reporting. They reported

"Included are the three statistics that were used to determine each district's index: the fifth, 25th, 50th, 75th and 95th salary percentiles (all from 2010). All figures are the latest available from the New York State Education Department."

That is five statistics, not three.

SCATS said...

To 5PM ~~ SCATS didn't skew anything. If you have a beef about how Business First wrote up the info, take your complaint to them. They gave THREE columns of figures. They listed Greece as third in their rankings and that appears to be based on the 50th percentile pay scale of $61,000. I don't often make the news. I just report it ;)

Anonymous said...

Scats they gave FIVE cloumns of figures. There is a scroll bar at the bottom. Also if you take the time to look the starting pay for a Greece teacher is well below the median income for Greece by $11,124. That ranks 12th for the LOWEST staring salary.

Anonymous said...

To 5:00pm

Perhaps you should re-read the article and consult a mathematician.

They list the the 50th percentile salary as $61,000 / yr.

Just to make sure you understand, that means that 50% of the teachers in Greece earn MORE than $61,000.

From 2:43pm

SCATS said...

To 5:35PM ~~ Nowhere did I say anything about "starting salary." So what's your point? My point is, and apparently so is Business First's point, is that half of our teachers make in excess of $61,000! That's a helluva lot of moolah for 187 days of 6.5 hrs with 18 sick days, lifetime security ... especially for a pre-K-2 gym teacher!

Anonymous said...

BTW the startiing salary in Greece is $35,000 not $37,000. That is $13,124 blow the average household income in Greece.

SCATS said...

To 8:45PM ~~ Good. It gives them something to aspire to.

Anonymous said...

To 8:45pm

Perhaps it would be advisable to actually read the source article. $37,000 is a measure of the salary of the 5th percentile. While teachers in Greece may start at $35k, only 5% earn less than $37k.

$48.124 is also a measure of household income, not individual income.

By any objective measure, teachers are extremely well compensated. As a group, they are the 3rd best compensated out of the 69 districts in the Rochester are.

SCATS said...

To 9:26PM ~~ Reading for comprehension isn't something Greece teachers do very well. They are more used to the knee-jerk defensive stance.

Anonymous said...

Greece accelerates salary of teachers the first 10 years compared many districts. I have no beef with that program as long as the teachers are judged good performers along the way.

I do have trouble with the accelerated pay the second ten years. Those pay raises continue to be based only on the passage of time. During those years I believe only the exceptional teachers who have demonstrated exceptional teaching ability should contiue to get pay increases. During the second ten years 100% of pay raises should be based on demonstarted performace. Pay raises based only because teachers are a year older should not contiue beyond the first ten years. By that time it should be abundantly clear who is and isn't deserving of a pay raise.
There is no basis in fact that all teacher with 20 years experience are worth 2.5 times newly hired teachers.

It will take state action to change this system as the unions have to much power in this state. Go for it Cuomo!

Anonymous said...

2:43 - I'll wager that the $48K average household doesn't have at least one member with a master's degree. Average household incomes for people with advanced degrees are higher - between $65K-100K.

Anonymous said...

To 6:23. Let me correct you. Being in the 50th percentile would mean that 50% of teachers earn $61,000 or LESS (not more). I don't need a Mathematician. Thank for your bias. Scats I am not a teacher. So let me clarify it again. I am right. Also I did say household income not individual Income. I don't know how the index was created. Again they say they used Three criteria and yet they list five.

SCATS said...

To 6:21AM ~~ Isn't it great to get a raise just because you got a pulse?

To 8:52AM ~~ I'll also wager the ave. household doesn't have a job for life regardless their income ;) Teachers really need to get off their high horses about their masters degrees. First of all, the community pays for it. Secondly, an advanced degree in education is one of the easiest to obtain!

To 9AM ~~ Thank God you are NOT a Greece teacher. Please read 6:21AM's comment for additional info. Please consider taking remedial intro to statistics. The 50th percentile is also known as the median. ~~ "In probability theory and statistics, a median is described as the numerical value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half."

Anonymous said...

Scats @ 9:27am

I too am sick if hearing teachers complain about their low pay due and compare themselves to others with advanced degrees when, in fact, teachers rarely pay for their own advanced degree.

I could potentially have a little more sympathy if they were responsible for their own education, worked more than 2/3 ofthe year, and were held in anyway accountable for performance.

Raises for longevity alone, step increases, nearly free health care, and early taxpayer-funded retirement seem like pretty decent benefits to me.

It's time for teachers to look reality in the face and accept reasonable compensation.

Anonymous said...

This isn't probability or statistics. Now you ate changing their report! Way to go and change the rules. At least you didn't say I was wrong. BTW look up the definition of Percentile. It says nothing about probability or statistics. Post that definition. By not posting it will prove that that you can't disprove me. By posting it it will still mean I am right. Thanks. BTW you also posted that Greece was the third highest paid at the 50th percentile. You are wrong. You didn't "comprehend" what you read. Greece would be first in this percentile.

Anonymous said...

Your readers are changing the subject matter again. Not because of me but because of their misinformation.
Scats don't ever use God's name again!!!!

SCATS said...

To 10:16AM ~~ You are too funny! (Not to mention dense.) I stand by what I posted.

BTW, the definition I posted came via a link found in the definition of "median" from the following on wikipedia: "In statistics, a percentile (or centile) is the value of a variable below which a certain percent of observations fall. For example, the 20th percentile is the value (or score) below which 20 percent of the observations may be found. The term percentile and the related term percentile rank are often used in the reporting of scores from norm-referenced tests.

The 25th percentile is also known as the first quartile (Q1), the 50th percentile as the median or second quartile (Q2), and the 75th percentile as the third quartile (Q3)."

Your rants are getting to be off the wall. Your issue is with the Business First folks who wrote the article. I strongly urge you to take it up with them. (HINT: further ridiculous ranting posts will likely be deleted.)

Same for 10:23AM. I'll us God's name anyway/any time I want ;)

SCATS said...

Make that "use" ... ;)