Friday, June 10, 2011

NEW POLL: What Will They Do?

  
Tuesday night, the Greece Central School District Board of Education is slated to vote on Supt. John O'Rourke's "School Choice" proposal. The 10 step resolution up for a vote includes elimination of the sibling rule, elimination of secondary options, some transportation changes, etc.

Will they man-up and vote to make the much needed changes? Or will they postpone, yet again, making any significant changes to a school structure that's divided neighborhoods for 20 years? Or will they make minimal changes & delay the most hotly contested items?

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24 comments:

Anonymous said...

Notice the last resolution. It says that it would be the Apollo/Olympia students that would be divided up among the other 2 schools....not that the boundaries would be redrawn completely. So a student from barnard/longridge and buckman/holmes rd would not be assured staying with their classmates when they move to secondary? But that is against the resolution that says there will be 3 k-12 attendance areas.
Or will they make the 3 k-12 areas pretty much what they are now and after they see the "feasibility" of moving the Odyssey to Apollo, will they then redraw the boundaries of the entire district.
To do otherwise would splinter and make exceptions to the rules for only the Olympia people.
And that resolution about siblings. It states that an older sibling will not assure a younger sibling entry into the schools of choice. How about if a 6th grader gets into odyssey? May the 7th grade or older sibling be admitted as well. This resolution does not address that. Presently and historically any child that is admitted brings any siblings older or otherwise. Why did they say younger ? That opens the resolution up to confusion. It would seem they are not assuring younger siblings a place but are leaving the door open for older siblings.

Anonymous said...

It does not say that if the OA move was to happen and then Apollo MS students were to be reassigned to AThena or Arcadia would that then change what High school they attend as well?

Anonymous said...

Where is the resolution to address the increase of students at Longridge with the elimination of secondary option?

Shannon

Anonymous said...

This ridiculous resolution does NOTHING to address the excess costs associated with student transportation.

It, in fact, makes the SOC even more exclusive, in that it removes the option to choose from some (signature schools/secondary option), but preserves it for the SOC crowd.

We will continue to have the same number of busses going down the same number of streets to transport kids all across the ditrict and back.

The refusal to seriously consider a change back to K-5 schools for all is a giant mistake, and will make the public even more angry at SOC "lottery" winners.

I continue to be amazed that there is not one member of the BOE who has the backbone to state their opinion and ask serious questions to the administration.

My guess is that they vote for the slate of resolutions, but give themselves an "out" so that they can change their mind later.

SCATS said...

To 11:50AM ~~ There is ALWAYS an out ... just vote on another resolution ;)

SCATS said...

To Shannon ~~ Longridge is NOT a secondary school, it's K-5.

Anonymous said...

BOE should adopt this plan now. More changes need to be made- certainly schools should be closed and SOC if they remain need to reflect district wide 38% of kids on Free/Reduced Lunch! More and more academics are going to be cut and even the precious sports teams will all be under threat if this BOE/District does not get a grip on reality and stop pandering to selfish parents who see only what they want and not what the District NEEDS!!!!

Anonymous said...

Fair's fair. If the rest of us have k-2 and 3-5 elementary...and it is good enough for the rest of us....why not pinebrook and westridge divided into 2 schools. Why should they say the rest of us can't go back to k-5 neighborhood, but the SOC elementary are both k-5? If they changed WR to pre-k- K and 1 with some extra special ed classes and and PB to 2-5 it would all be fair and equitable. I cannot understand how they get to have k-5 for their "stability" and the rest of us have to juggle our little ones in 2 schools. Spread the inconvenience.

Anonymous said...

Sorry I meant signature school option shannon

Anonymous said...

to 11:58

I agree SOC should be closed.

You argument is invalid, however.

Ending SOC, without a corresponding complete restructure of the district would not save enough money to make even a slight dent in the fiscal woes of Greece CSD.

Consolidation into K-5 for all elementary schools, closure of underutilized buildings and closure of Odyssey will help in the short term.

Long term, there must be a retructuring of labor contracts to decrease the runaway increases in labor costs which eat up more than 70% of the budget.

SCATS said...

To 2:19PM ~~ I disagree to the extent that they can't close our excess schools UNLESS/UNTIL they get rid of SOCs ... primarily because they will have to redistribute those students to the other schools. By eliminating SOCs ASAP, 3 schools could be closed relatively quickly. They don't need to do some big study to accomplish it either.

Anonymous said...

to Scats @ 2:55pm

My position is that all of it should happen at the same time.

It would not be difficult to re-assign kids to the proper school, and perhaps close a few, once someone actually made the decision.

The problem with the BOE, in my limite five year experience, is that they have proven themselves incapable of making a decision.

There is no way that everyone is going to be completely happy with any decision they make. If they did make a decision that brought a measure of equality to all, the community would support it.

SCATS said...

To 3:07PM ~~ True, doing it all at once is kind of like ripping off the Bandaid & just getting on with things. Regarding making decisions: It's not that they can't make a decision, because they did decide to form a committee, do a study, have study sessions, hold hearings and generally play with their navals ... it's that they won't make decision. They do NOT want to be held accountable for, blamed for or given credit for anything that p*sses off the SOC parents/Chamber of Commerce group Boily kowtows to.

Anonymous said...

To 3:07 at "There is no way that everyone is going to be completely happy with any decision they make"

You are right. And that is the problem with our board. They are people-pleasers but in trying to keep everyone pleased they are satisfying no one. This is a dysfunctional trait. They have to look at what will educate the students in as financially responsible way possible. This may mean they have to restructure and follow the resolutions.
Whenever the school of choice group become agitated, the board is in intense fear mode. When they were going to start to phase out Westridge Kindergarten the parents were alert and with scats help stopped that effort. Now that the sibling preference was in jeopardy, the group came out and bullied the board at their own orchestrated session with their own emcee.
The board will not stand up to these people who really have no leverage except to intimidate the board members through humiliation tactics.
If the board stood up to them and did what should be done, those parents could do nothing in retaliation. They can't get rid of board members, because they have no opponents to run for the board. When the board realizes that the extent of the repercussions from doing the right thing for the total school district will be dissent and sneering, maybe the board will act with courage.
Come on board members. Do what is right. These people will grow tired of protesting. When you draw the line in the sand and say, "deal with it" they will finally move on to some other issue.

Anonymous said...

Closing three building won't save money in the long run?- huh?

SCATS said...

To 5:11PM ~~ Of course it will. They should have begun that process several years ago. Maybe we wouldn't have had to eliminate more educational programs again this year if they had.

What's the BOE's plan for Barnard? Is it going to be sold?

Anonymous said...

To 5:11pm

Closing a bldg is a one-time fix and will certainly help in the short term.
Salary and benefit increases will make up or any savings from bldg closures in a few years.
Just this year salary and benefits increases were due to cost an additional $4-5 million dollars.

So yes, bldg closures are short term solutions.
Restructuring labor costs are long term solutions.

SCATS said...

To 7:23PM ~~ Several years is an eon in the realm of public education financial planning. The BOE has had a few opportunities to fix contracts in recent years. They didn't. They gave out raises to all, yet again.

By closing buildings, you reduce the workforce to the proper size to fit the students attending. We have FAILED to do that despite huge shrinkage in enrollments.

Anonymous said...

And of course you realize that any "changes" this board votes for will be phased in over 4-5 years.

That's 6-9 new board members and 2-3 new superintendents from now.

SCATS said...

To 7:37AM ~~ You mean you are already predicting that Babs won't be Greece Central's savior? C'mon now, give her a chance. Just because she has know clue about managing more than 755 students doesn't mean you should have such a tainted view of her abilities ;)

Somethin' tells me we are going to wish we had Achramovitch back!

Anonymous said...

Scats: Did you mean "NO clue"? (Sorry, but after your "formulate/form" correction, I just couldn't resist. What goes around....)

SCATS said...

To 9:26PM ~~ There's NO similarity at all to the situation with the person who erroneously used "formulate" while attempting to diminish Dr. Dyce-Faucette. If you're going to insult someone, it's best to do so with impeccable attention to the details ;)

Anonymous said...

But wasn't scats "diminishing" another fine lady who will be our superintendent, by pointing out that presently she is at a very small school district?
It just seems that scats likes the new Syracuse area superintendent and for some reason is against the choice of our board.
And yes the mistake of "know" vs "no" is still a mistake. Scats can't say that her mistake happened while she was taking the high road in disparaging our new superintendent and form/formulate was written by someone who should be more careful . You both made mistakes, and you both were "diminishing" some very successful women. I don't think the superintendents in either case will be staying up late worrying about the insults.

SCATS said...

To 8:09AM ~~ Re: "It just seems that scats likes the new Syracuse area superintendent and for some reason is against the choice of our board."

REALLY!? Anyone who reads this BLOG with regularity knows this. There's NO secret that Dyce-Faucette left me with a VERY positive impression ;) She isn't appreciated in Greece because everyone knows she would END THE DYSFUNCTION, and we can't allow that, can we?

If the FACT that the other supt. comes from a tiny school district somehow "diminishes" this woman, then God help us for the next 4 years that we're stuck with her! We need someone with thick skin AND a spine. How do you know whether or not she stays up nights? Her reputation seems to be one involving partying, based upon online discussion from folks in her current district.

Re the grammar issue: the latest comment posted claims "formulate" was fine, too. If that's the case, you are now "mistaken" for saying we both made mistakes ;)