Monday, June 20, 2011

Neighbors Oppose New Bryant & Stratton

  
They fear additional RTS buses bringing hundreds from outside of Greece to a new campus to be situated at the Long Pond & English Rds. site. (STORY)

"Bryant and Stratton starts at 8:15 a.m. and that will mean lots of cars and buses idling off to one side. We don't want to hear it, smell it or see it." ~~ Deborah Janowicz

"We've already got traffic congestion morning and night, from commuters and the buses from Greece Athena and Pine Brook." ~~ Butch Schubert

SCATS ~~ Welcome to Greece Deb! Where were you when the Town of Greece OK'd bringing those extra buses right up Dewey Ave. from the city to go shopping at our soon to be erected Walmart? It wasn't in your backyard, so you didn't care, right? Tsk, tsk, Butch! Don't you know that it's politically incorrect to complain about the number of GCSD buses you see. Don't YOU support school choice?
  

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

I oppose it based on the already developed areas (Kodak) that could be used and provide room to grow for B &S.

SCATS said...

To 7:50AM ~~ Oh c'mon! Over development has NEVER stopped Auggie's crew from letting another developer into Greece. Wegmans will close Britton Rd. saying we're OVER-SATURATED with food & pharmacy stores, but they keep approving more! This particular project is opposed for the fact it will bring minority people into the heart of Greece's uppity middle class.

Anonymous said...

Your right we don't want more buses bringing in more people from the city. We already have enough trouble at the mall . We don't want these people right next to our Athena high school. Build it in the city!!

Anonymous said...

Too late 8:12. As long as the buses are carrying white kids to Pinebrook, it's fine to add bus traffic? If the passengers become too dark, we must stop it? Ha!

So buses for Pinebrook, Athena and even Odyssey are fine? It's the passengers you got issues with?

Anyone see how this relates to the entire school of choice issue? Use Odyssey to escape Olympia. Use Pinebrook to escape Parkland And Brookside.

The truth is finally out!

Anonymous said...

Someone made the point that the soon to be vacated area at Britton rd would be a good site. That would keep the riff-raff away from "our athena", 8:12.
News to you "athena vista" people. 20 years ago dewey ave looked just like long pond does now. See how quickly trashiness creeps? Soon that whole stretch from Vintage to Latta will be commercial. Coming soon to you the property just to the south of athena that is owned by a real estate company.
And who does own the property that is going to be developed into the college?

Anonymous said...

I don't live in the area and don't care about the property values of the residents or having "those people" in Greece. I still think it is a bad idea. Long Pond is too crowded as it is.

Anonymous said...

Look at it this way, Long Pond used to be a nice 2 lane road with houses that had front yards. Now Long Pond is 5 lanes, and overstuffed with traffic.

Adding traffic for B&S will be good. It will create work doing traffic studies for engineering firms who can employ college kids to do the study and make donations to politicians.

Adding B&S is a good thing. Just a few years ago Greece politicians stopped Strong from building a care facility in the same location to Protect Park Ridge. Now Strong is located on Ridgeway. That worked well, didn't it.

Anonymous said...

Bad location IMO. Ever try to travel north from English Rd towards Athena in the am? The traffic backs up almost to English RD most school mornings. Add B&S to the mix and it will be much worse. Southbound from Latta to Athena is bad too. And NO, I don't live near there. I am a retired bus driver and I spent much time sitting in that traffic.

Anonymous said...

I think adding a bigger, newer B&S is exactly what Greece needs. If we can't have an institution of higher learning in the town center, what should we have? Another big box store? Is there a bix box store we don't already have? How about a COSTCO?

Anonymous said...

In 2000-2001 these Brandon neighbors sued the town of Greece and some other business people that wanted to change the zoning on some land at 839 Long Pond. The town LOST. These average people won and with no court coasts. The property remained residential and eventually it was sold by the prospectors as a residence. So sad. NOT!
So these people have the will and the brains and the tenacity to win. Look out Augie.

SCATS said...

To 2:24PM ~~ Well, if that's the case AND they helped re-elect Auggie, they deserve the trouble again. Methinks they did NOT vote for Maloney ... just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

If you actually read the story and looked at the demographic of the average B&S student (27 years old and female), you shouldn't be worried about "those people".

SCATS said...

Here's the link to the case some of these folks won against the Town of Greece previously:
LAWSUIT

Anonymous said...

This is clearly a case of Be Careful What You Wish For .....

Someone said they thought medical use would be great. How about an inpatient rehab center for crackheads? It would fit right into the mentality of those opposing it.

Anonymous said...

''Tracy Smith lives on Heritage Drive, off English Road, just west of the proposed college.''

This makes no sense. Heritage Dr off English is no were near Long Pond and certainly not west of it.

SCATS said...

To 11:33PM ~~ Another whiz-bang job by our reporter ;)

Anonymous said...

My house would be closer to this development than anyone else who opposes it. My concern is not about the caliber of people the college brings to the neighborhood. My only concern is the enviromental impact and the traffic impact. They plan on adding an entrance/exit on the English Road side of the property. Its impossible to cross into traffic now. I am embarassed by one individual in particular who keeps referring to the "city trash" and "smelly busses" as the reason to oppose the building. The only reason to oppose this is the traffic issue. English road is maxed out, its busy at all times of the day and night. The land will be developed eventually so lets get together and invite the type of business that will work with the neighborhood. They keep threatening "big box store" but you know what, that traffic will trickle all day long rather than surge like a school. People better start thinking about what they DO want there because something will. My best cass scenario is a small strip fo store fronts that utilize the propoerty closer to the road like the three that are already there.

SCATS said...

To 3:06PM ~~ The only thing I have to say to any of you about the proximity of this to your homes is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!

I can't fathom how awful it would be to live next to a SCHOOL!! Oh wait, with 20 of them scattered across Greece, I pretty much do ... and so does everyome else ... nevermind ;)

PS ~~ People worry about the negative headlines caused by scandals but think nothing of how Greece is viewed when we protest against building such things as a Post Office and now a school! What a bunch of snobby NIMBY types we've got.

Anonymous said...

It does make you wonder why B&S would move from Canal Ponds (right off the expressway) to a location like English and Long Pond, which is not easily accessed from 390. Ridge Rd, Latta Rd, other site in Canal Ponds would seem to be infinitely better for access.
C'mon SCATS, do you have the rest of the story?

SCATS said...

To 4:44PM ~~ Sorry, still digesting all of the info and the varied players tangled up in this. I think it's most interesting that it appears the Rockcastles want this particular development. Maybe you could ask them.

Anonymous said...

Location? I like my location, thats why I try to preserve it for what it is. It's not like I moved into Airport and then complained about the noise. I think my arguement is the most rational of all, develop it to compliment, thats all. As far as living next to a school thats fine too, Athena, Pinebrook, Parkland all with shouting distance but Bryant and Stratton is an adult school with adults who are going to clog up our neighborhood. Not sure why you are choosing to be the antagonist to this neighborhood scats. I always thought you were for the betterment of Greece no matter where.

SCATS said...

To 4:20PM ~~ When you bought a home in an undeveloped part of town, you CHOSE A LOCATION THAT WAS GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME. Did you really think the vacant land would remain so to eternity? Unless you abutt a park that is somehow destined to be "forever wild," choosing a home near undeveloped property is a crapshoot, especially in Greece where we used to have 5 & 10 year plans that were discussed openly. Whatever happened to them? Oh yes, we keep Uncle Auggie in office to oversee all.

Exactly what would "compliment" your tract housing? You folks didn't want senior housing for fear the elders would wander aimlessly & drown in the retention pond. You didn't want a Post Office in NW Greece because of "traffic, noise" ... and mail. You don't want an institution of higher education because it will bring an onslaught of adults "to clog up your neighborhood." What would be better? More drug stores? Restaurants? Big box retailers? Why should YOU get to pick and choose IF the developers did what the zoning requires?

I hate to say it folks, but you lost the battle on keeping Long Pond Rd. development under control. When Greece moved their offices North, it was the first clue of this kind of thing coming ;)I Now, it's well on its way to becoming another Ridge Rd.

Anonymous said...

4:20 I agree with you that it would be better if Long Pond had a moratorium ( true one not like the one on dewey) with no more additional development. This would preserve the residential character. But scats is right that the town rezoned that land ( over 17 acres) from residential to commercial at some unknown time. Now that's done we have no choice but to get something other than residential. For some reason the owner and developer have to get approval from the board to set up a school there. So it is not a done deal. You have more than 2,000 signatures. Take them to the board and let them know you want to preserve your neighborhood along with 2,000 other residents. Good luck. You still have a chance of winning if the board cares what the people want.

SCATS said...

To 6:21PM ~~ The rezoning happened about 10 yrs ago and appears to have been around the same as the lawsuit 6/20/2011 2:24 PM brought up. If I understand correctly, the ONLY REASON this is up for the Town Board to consider is that B&S would be getting tax-free status as an educational instution, typical, not unusual.

SCATS said...

And by the way, Long Pond Rd. long ago lost its flavor as a residential area.

Anonymous said...

The decision to move Town Hall to Vince Tofany Blvd was made back in the early 60s.

Guess who the Supervisor was? He lived right across Long Pond from Vince Tofany Blvd and wanted a shorter stagger er I mean commute to the office.

Anonymous said...

Don't look to the new college to increase the tax base. They presently are paying rent at 150 Bellwood at canal ponds park. The owners of that facility which is assessed at 1.7 million have a comida exemption of 1.7 million. So no tax there.

And if the college is built on long pond the owner of the property will have to pay no tax because it is an education institution and they are exempt. And the surrounding properties have the advantage of comida also. Bank, flowers etc... You would all be surprised at the number of tax exempt properties that run up and down long pond with the Y and the church. Many at the corner of latta and long pond have the comida status. Is it possible that the only ones paying tax are the home owners and Aldi?

SCATS said...

To 5:28PM ~~ Yup pretty much that's it. Even Auggie pays nothing ;)