Wednesday, June 15, 2011

"Buying Time" Might Cost Them During Fall Vote

  
"We're just not there yet ... By this motion I'm not putting it off indefinitely." ~~ Julia VanOrman, VP Greece BOE (6/14/11 - as the BOE removes the item from their agenda, causing it to evaporate into thin air as if it never existed)

SCATS ~~ Really, Julia? Just when do you plan to take care of this item then? I heard no suggested date or timeframe, just delay, delay, delay. Do you even know how to tell when you arrive "there"? I don't think you have a clue!

FACTS FROM LAST NIGHT'S MEETING:
  • 177 Students identified who are getting bus service that should be walking
  • $750,000  savings/year in transportation costs
  • 24 buses we do not need to buy IF we deal with School Choice issue
DON'T ASK US TO SUPPORT BUS/CAPITAL REPAIR PROPS UNTIL YOU HANDLE THE SCHOOL CHOICE QUESTION!

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

I know two other parents in Greece who thought the BOE already had decided to stop transporting kids all over. When I told them that they had not, they looked at me in disbelief! We should all write our state reps. NYS should not reimburse districts for transportation cost that are unnecessary!

SCATS said...

To 10:39AM ~~ The ONLY thing the Greece BOE can decide is that they can't decide ;)

Charlie Hubbard said...

Special interest win
Taxpayers lose

Yes, just like Washington and Albany, Greece central is back on the special interest bandwagon. The taxpayers have been taking it on the chin for years with unjustified transportation costs. School boards there to represent taxpayers ONLY.
The disrespect shown to taxpayers by the school board and administration is something I have written about many times IE the override of the school budget (taxpayers) vote.

For the taxpayers of gcsd this is yet another example of how you are looked down on - NOT respected.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

I just reread the proposal that was supposed to be on the table last night. There were relatively minor changes proposed for schools of choice- at least in my mind. It is amazing to me that the SOC people did not want this proposal passed given that the facts point to the total elimination of SOC!

Anonymous said...

1:55 they don't care if the changes are mionr, They don't want any change. They don't want it shared or expanded. They just want what they got without having to become less exclusive. Same ole, same ole thing in Greece. SELFISH!!

Anonymous said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you want things to be different find a candidate that is of your mindset and get him or her elected.

It's called the democratic process. Sounding the alarm, pointing out the problems, raising hell about injustice, etc.....are all good intentions. Where you lost me is when you didn’t run anyone for school board to represent your point of view.

If you want change - be the change. If all you want to do is complain...well, it's a free country for that too.

SCATS said...

To 7:45PM ~~ ~~ Sadly, you seem to believe that BOE members only represent the interests of certain children/families. I bet the NY State School Boards Assn & the NYSED would find your views extremely interesting!

THE BOE MUST SERVE THE INTERESTS OF ALL STUDENTS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATING IN ANY WAY.

It's really that simple ;)

Anonymous said...

7:45 No matter who is elected to the board they have to follow the rules and laws of NY State and the US. It doesn't matter whether they are liberal or pro-union or conservative or a parent of the school of choice.

Anonymous said...

Nothing funnier that an arrogant 7:45 writing to say that certain special interests have BOE members on a string. Although true (I'm sure), the arrogance needed to say that speaks volumes.

Anonymous said...

Why don't they just totally cop out and let the voters decide? They can delay it again until the next school board election, or better yet, put it on the ballot when we have to go back for the additional bus purchase funding vote. But, I guess that would be too logical.

SCATS said...

To 9:49PM ~~ I've suggested that before. Of course, THAT would be the truly democratic thing to do. Unfortunately, the outcome wouldn't be what a few people want ;)

Anonymous said...

What the school administration is afraid of....

The sibling priority in the lottery schools is discriminatory. Siblings are not a protected class and should not be considered with more priority than applicants who do not have a sibling already in the school.
All that has to happen is for a parent of a child that was denied entry into any of the schools of choice, while siblings were just let in if they so chose, to sue the district for not being treated in a like manner with other children that were applying.

The parents have standing to make such a claim.

There are 2 problems with this process for the complaining parents. First parents in greece do not want to stand out and make public protests lest they and their children be persecuted and bullied. With some people it could happen at their place of employment since the administration and board have connections in business to do their bidding.
And the 2nd problem is that the complaining families will miraculously be moved to the top of the waiting list should the suit be started.
But they would have a good case of discrimination.
The city has a lottery and application for their various magnet schools. They have the right to select according to racial percentages to make sure the magnets do not have overwhelmingly one race. We are not protecting the civil rights of our students in Greece when they apply to the schools of choice. The sibling priority makes it so that non-siblings need not apply.

Anonymous said...

Scats, I hope you are going to create a new topic about the increase in GCSD graduation rates. An increase of 8%. Congratulations to the District and more importantly the teachers.

SCATS said...

To 12:55PM ~~ I've created a topic about grad rates just as I had intended to do. I'm not sure that giving kudos to people for doing what they SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG is a good idea. I believe in rewarding excellence, not reaching mediocrity.

Anonymous said...

Only crickets in response to the idea about the suit against the district giving the siblings priority? Maybe one already has happened. There are lawyers that would do this for free. The ACLU would also assist. Are there any organizations that protect the rights of minorities?
Or are all the progressive organizations in tight with the unions?

SCATS said...

To 5:22PM ~~ I'm sure you will find the remarks I posted from the parent on Facebook to be extremely insightful. The crickets have grown to large numbers in GCSD, but I wouldn't blame it on the halt in the use of pesticides. I think a lot of folks became tongue-tied after reading how truly arrogant & selfish their remarks were;)

Anonymous said...

Phase out letting students chose their schools, and give them the option to finish at the school in which they started, if they do, then let it be the parents responsiblity to get them there - why should I pay for that? Me neighborhood beat the bussing drama - our school district is Athena, and students dont get a bus, therefore all the parents opted to send their kids to Arcadia so they would receive a bus - again, why is this the expense of the taxpayer? We bring in a Superintendent of a successful district, pay him boko bucks to be here and then not follow his advice and the board wants to "think about it" ... Come on folks, think about it on your dime, not mine!

SCATS said...

To 6:03PM ~~ The biggest issue with a "phase out" is that people given this option will demand the sibling rule. Taken together, it will hold-up the phase out for many years. Otherwise, I tend to see your point ;)

Anonymous said...

Without knowing how many buses we need (will we need the extra ones for SC or not?) we cannot possibly vote on buying some this fall.
SORRY,BOE, the voters need more information. Perhaps you should pass this question off to a study group.

SCATS said...

To 8:16PM ~~ Yes, let them hire a consultant, form a committee & hold some phony hearings too ;)

Anonymous said...

There is an outstanding sibling rule: go to your neighborhood school. That gives you all the continuity you want (sans the K-5 experience which could easily be fixed).

Anonymous said...

Yes , lets spend millions on a consulting group. We have hired a Super of a successful district, if we arent going to follow his words of wisdom, why didnt we just put one of our own people in there?? The only district in the county that lets the student CHOSE what school they wish to attend, at the cost of a taxpayer. Empty busses all over greece,,,,what a waste!

SCATS said...

To 4:19AM ~~ The only thing that provides the continuity IS THE K-5 STRUCTURE!

As far as the "sibling rule" being at the other schools, there is NO SUCH POLICY, but there is for schools-of-choice ;) This just shows that you shouldn't always believe what the loudest folks scream ;)