Sunday, May 22, 2011

What Stakes Do Our Stakeholders Have?

   
Greece Central School District residents just voted on another whopping big budget that will raise our taxes again. Many of the top paid players in determining the district's future do NOT reside in Greece. This means:

  • They do NOT/ can NOT support the budgets they help craft/impact.
  • They do NOT pay Greece property taxes.
  • Their children do NOT/can NOT attend Greece public schools.
  • They receive a paycheck from YOU, but are largely unaccountable to anyone.
  • They get to decide to RAISE YOUR TAXES.
  • They get to determine YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE EDUCATION.
  • Aside from their employment (which is virtually guaranteed), they have NO STAKE IN GREECE SCHOOLS.
John O'Rourke ~ Interim Supt. of GCSD ~ $800/day
Don Nadolinski ~ Acting Supt. of GCSD ~ $146,941
Barbara Deane ~ Williams* ~ Supt. To Be of GCSD ~ $198,000
Don Pallozzi ~ Pres. Greece Teacher's Assn. ~ $82,323
Lou ("Mr. Budget") Alaimo ~ Supt. of Finance ~ $134,189
Deb Hoeft ~ Asst. Supt. GCSD ~ $135,101

*Contract stipulates she is to purchase a Greece home within 1 yr. of her employment, but it appears there is no way to force the issue if she doesn't comply.
   

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very interesting. I never looked at it like this, but the point is taken.

Anonymous said...

Out of those only 2 are remaining, The new superintendent and Hoeft. So you must be pleased.
Since there is no residency requirement in our district, we can't expect them to be residents. The new superintendent supposedly will be a resident by next year. The drive from her present residence is bitter through the winter.
Interesting that in Brighton there was an extensive search and a committee of staff and community that was responsible for the hiring of our Lou Alaimo. We don't involve the community at all in the search and hiring of assistant superintendents. Probably the new super and the board will just decree Lou's successor.

SCATS said...

To 7:31AM ~~ I wonder if they were going to bother telling us that he was leaving ... until the PR piece was uncovered?

Anonymous said...

Do you have to be told?

SCATS said...

To 1:55PM ~~ The question was more rhetorical than anything else. However, wouldn't it be nice to have a BOE & DO that are open with us and trustworthy? They aren't. This just points that up.

I think it's very interesting that the PR piece was published BEFORE Alaimo was done with his public appearances to support & explain GCSD's budget. It kind of makes fools of the people who were in those audiences, since he knew he was out and they had no clue.

Anonymous said...

Noone was made a fool. He was ( and is) still employed by Greece Central and, as a result, fulfilled his professional obligations. That is what is expected.

SCATS said...

To 2:16PM ~~ Give me a break! O'Rourke, Nadolinski, Alaimo, Mitchell and even Oberg will all be MIA in a matter of weeks! Again, our "stakeholders" had little at stake in crafting what amounted to a Contingency Budget. They pandered it to a miniscule assortment of taxpayers frightened (maybe bullied) by the same "leaders" ridiculous ideas on grappling with a bloated budget, when they were to afraid to do what really needed doing: CLOSING SCHOOLS, ELIMINATING SOC's, REIGNING IN BUSING AMONG OTHER THINGS.

SCATS said...

Make that "TOO afraid" please.

Anonymous said...

WHAAAAAAAAA. Time to whine and complain again rather than put people on the board that will vote a similar mindset.

If you don't like the way things are run - vote change (It's the American way). If you can't handle this in a representative republic I suggest you take your marbles and find an alternative.

SCATS said...

To 6:57PM ~~ In case you just tuned in, few want to be on the Greece school board any more, thus 3 people (2 incumbents) for 3 seats. People don't even bother voting any longer. They know it doesn't matter. I think it's a great time to get another Comptroller's audit done. With DO staff all running away in droves, there's no one left to keep the secrets ;)

Anonymous said...

I still don't see this logic. I know more than one teacher who does not live in Greece who is or was (several now retired) very committed to Greecce schools. Again it is very difficult to ask people to simply uproot their lives to keep a job. I am more interested that they do a good job not where they live,

SCATS said...

To 7:08PM ~~ You don't see logic in wanting the people who are deciding how our kids are educated to have to feel the pain of their plans, decisions, budgets, work ethic, etc. through sharing the tax burden that supports those ideas and having their own kids attend the schools THEY RUN? In the city, even Code Enforcement folks have to live where they work, I think it's a great idea :)

Anonymous said...

Scats..........I agree with you somewhat. I would make it that the administrators have to live in the district.

Anonymous said...

This is the ultimate "trickle-down" from Washington, where the congressional reps and senators pass rules for us back home that they don't have to live up to. The GCSB Administrators have taken a page out of their playbook and pass rules for us, the little people, and they don't have to be impacted by them. SOunds like these administrator have learned the political game very well.

SCATS said...

To 8:22PM ~~ How far down the chain of command would you go with the administrators? To building principals? If we exclude teachers, then you are OK with the GTA President living elsewhere, even knowing that the bulk of the budget goes for teacher salaries/benefits?

Personally, I'd want building principals to live here.

Anonymous said...

When you think about it, aren't they all just Acting Superintendents?

And regarding living here". I'd give all professionals five years to decide to live here or not. Make that part of their individual contract so the unions do not have veto power.

Anonymous said...

Scats, do you live where you work? Your suggestion is preposterous...you think that just because YOUR tax dollars pay for their salaries you can control their decisions about where they live?!
On another note, you mentioned somewhere (front page, I think) that there is no mechanism to do anything with BDW if she doesn't move into the district even though her contract says she needs to buy a home within a year. You're incorrect about that. There are cases of Superintendents being terminated because they failed to move into the district in the specified period of time when that exact language was included in their employment contracts. Just FYI

Anonymous said...

Here is something absurd. Chicago has a residency requirement for teachers for some very good reasons in this link.

http://www.cps-humanresources.org/Careers/residency.htm

The absurd part is that "special needs" teachers can apply for 3 year waivers which can be renewed. Special needs in Chicago apparently are math science and phys ed etc. In Greece the long list of teachers that could get the waiver would be more than half the teaching staff. Way to go Chicago.

Municipalities and towns in NY state apparently are well within their rights to demand residency. even the town of Greece could. That would have taken care of our jailed former police chief. Would he have moved? If Scats wants the school district to have residency to increase stakeholder ownership,why not promote the town and police force?

Anonymous said...

Would the pool of candidates really be that much less if we required teachers and administrators (up and down the ladder) to move to Greece within one year of their appointment? Anyone who doesn't believe this school district is, or can be good enough, for their children doesn't seem to have confidence in their ability to make a change.
How many districts do NOT have a residency requirement?

SCATS said...

To 3:51AM ~~ No, they are mostly just "pretending" supts. lol

Five years? How many Supts. have we had in 5 years? O'Rourke (Interim), Nadolinski (Acting), Achramovitch (Supt.), Kehoe (Interim), Meg (Supt.) ...

I think I read someplace recently that few last that long on average these days.

To 6:31AM ~~ My idea is NOT preposterous. It happens in many places apparently. Someone further down even gives an example. About Babs residency, I'll believe it when I see it. When scanning through her contract, it was apparent that for other things expected of her, there were later mentions about what happens if she fails come through. Not so with the residency stipulation. How do you know the "exact language" was used?

To 7:03AM ~~ Before Baxter was hired, I was very vocal about believing the Chief should be required to live here. I think ALL of them should, but it's got to start at the top in such situations, IMHO.

To 7:20AM ~~ You sound like you watched Waiting For Superman ... or something. Did you? GREAT MOVIE! I thought Greece was rapidly becoming an educational abyss ... until I saw that movie. Now I'm sure we are.

Anonymous said...

Because their contracts are public information...and I have read many. As always with your dire predictions...time will tell. Oh, and time usually tells us that your predictions fall far shortbof what actually transpires. Just sayin'

SCATS said...

To 7:45AM ~~ I've read "many" too. I also know that in GCSD, there is a long history of loose wording in contracts that allows for all sorts of rip-offs ... like LIFETIME HEALTHCARE!

Regarding "predictions" ... I predict few things. Some of you seem to think if I say something such as "I do not support the budget", or if I suggest that you vote "no" that I've made a "prediction". Those are NOT predictions ;) Just sayin' .

Anonymous said...

Some of the teachers in greece live here and their children attend the greece schools. Definitely our schools are a little better than the city schools.
In the city very few of the teachers live in the city. And if they do live in the city their children attend private schools. You can't force people to send their kids to a certain school but we can demand that the teachers reside in the district where they work. If only for the prestige of where you live the city schools would improve.
Those city teachers are so "dedicated" but they would not be working in the city if they had to live there.
Maybe scats is on to something about school improvement. If the staff has "ownership" the schools will improve. It's worth a try.

SCATS said...

To 9:43AM ~~ Re: "You can't force people to send their kids to a certain school but we can demand that the teachers reside in the district where they work."

AGREED :)

SCATS said...

BTW folks, Blogspot's SPAM filter appears to have become SO finetuned that if I send one of your unprintable comments to the SPAM folder for deletion later, your follow-up rude remarks are ending up in the SPAM filter with the original offensive comment! That is quite the time-saver :D

Anonymous said...

Buffalo schools have a residence rule and it has done nothing... last I heard they were going to drop it because it is too limiting...

Anonymous said...

You can demand all you want....there is a pesky little thing called the Taylor Law that trumps your demands, however. Sorry, but that is just wasted energy.

SCATS said...

To 2:30PM ~~ I'm not quite understanding how that fits this discussion since there are a number of school districts and municipalities that do in fact have residency requirements for employment.

Anonymous said...

Because the unions agreed to it. It is a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. Name the districts...locally...that have residency requirement for teachers. Oh wait, I know...do my own research because YOU know and it isn't your job to inform me.

SCATS said...

To 6:12PM ~~ In the bigger picture, I really don't care, yes you heard right, I DO NOT CARE what other places have these requirements.

Why is it that the only way Greece can change ANYTHING is if we "follow" in someone else's footsteps? Can't we ever step-up to the plate, do what's good/right/best for the students, taxpayers, community without having to study it to death, watch it rise elsewhere, debate it ad nauseum, etc? THIS FEAR OF CHANGE IS ONE HALLMARK OF OUR OVERALL DYSFUNCTION.

Anonymous said...

It could be new hires that have the requirement. That would not be against the contract.

SCATS said...

To 8:09PM ~~ That is certainly one way to make it happen.

To the person who wrote the snippy comment directed at me ~~ It's not getting published, sorry. You attacked me earlier, I responded in kind. Then you dare to try to come back & claim you are just asking to try "to get leverage with the union" but end it with another slam aimed at me? Riiiight!!!

Anonymous said...

And all the while continuing this little regime continues to slight our special education students by denying services they are legally required to provide, by not responding to contact from parents as if we will "just go away" if they ignore us long enough. I am still paying school taxes but I have to educate my kid at home because they can't cut the cheese. Its not a mystery here why special education testing scores on the toilet. They are trying to reign in everything but their fat salaries. This district is bloated with high paid do nothings and our kids are paying for it. I'd like to see BOE members who live here, and whose kids to go to school here. Otherwise I want a tax voucher so I can send my kids somewhere else.

SCATS said...

To 10:49AM ~~ Board of Education members are legally required to reside in Greece. As far as I'm aware, most have sent their kids/grandkids to Greece public schools ... but there does seem to be an out-of-proportion number who "win the SOC lottery."