Tuesday, May 10, 2011

One Week To School Budget Vote Day ...

   
Just Vote No* ...

Vote Often** ...

Do It For The Kids!***

* This budget is an educational travesty!
**The BOE doesn't care about following laws, rules or policies. Why should we?
*** When they eliminate classes over extra-curriculars, maintain busing levels and keep unneeded buildings open to retain schools-of-choice for the minority, they've lost their focus!
    

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

That soon? It seemed to creep up on us and it will pounce. That must be the plan. No signs for candidates so it will be an in house vote. That means it will pass.

Anonymous said...

As a Bored member I take deep exception to the nasty comments made on this site about the budget.

Just as when I go to the Hair Club for Men, I and the rest of the Bored relied on experts and professionals to develop this current budget. We are confident this budget represents the greatest desires of our Unions and the voters will be able to see our fine efforts and pass the budget.

Yes there is a lot of transportation but we have to keep the kids moving or they will figure out how we're screwing them out of a basic education. Besides, the fuel vendor pays for a nice lunch for us Bored members every year.

Each Bored member spends hundreds of hours without compensation just boosting our ego and self esteem so we are entitled to a few perks. So we stuff our children and grandchildren into a special program here and there, so what. You really don't think we want our blood poorly educated. That's for the unwashed masses.

Anonymous said...

No need to campaign. The current environment has scared off any real candidates so we have three folks for three slots. Makes the elections much cheaper.

Anonymous said...

I truly resent program cuts and class size increases while NOTHING has been done about the amount of bussing being done.

Do these people ever listen?

Anonymous said...

I'll be voting NO! I won't vote for a budget until we get a ZERO increase in spending and a tax DECREASE!

Anonymous said...

I resent cuts in class offerings, lowering requirements, reducing services to keep SOCs, extra busing, half-filled schools and all the sports teams!

Anonymous said...

Voting no because you are against some of the cuts is a bad strategy. In our community a defeated budget would not lead to restoring cut items, only deeper cuts that would likely affect the classroom more such as cutting the items restored when the state budget was passed. I vote yes.

SCATS said...

To 7:02PM ~~ Thank you Gale O'Toole.

Re: "In our community ..." this implies things are different in other Monroe County towns. That is NOT the case!

It is true that this budget LACKS many things, not the least of which are capital repairs & bus purchases. It is a BAD STRATEGY on the part of the Greece BOE to hammer us with additional votes to get what should already be in the budget, but is not. There is no trust!

Anonymous said...

You might think you are sending a message but know one is listening and nothing will change. Education needs to be done differently. NYS needs to change how schools are funded and how districts are organized/run. We all need to sit down and have open and honest discussions about these issues without blaming teachers or administrators or parents or tax payers.

SCATS said...

To 8:41PM ~~ People ARE listening. They just don't know what can be done about it.

Those to blame are the folks who play politics with the future of the kids ~~ the unions and the school board members who turn everything into some sort of payoff for certain people.

Anonymous said...

Why I'm voting NO:

Why should I pay one dime more in taxes when the teachers are not willing to take a pay freeze to save some of their jobs. I have had a pay freeze for six years!

Three investigations into the bussing/schools of choice issue and no action taken. Vote No until that gets addressed.

Yes, a NO Vote will get their attention this time. Gov, Cuomo is going to see to it!

Until our school board (and others) take a public stand on the Triborough issue, keep on with that No Vote.

Anonymous said...

I want to write in one of those Hubbard boys for school board. I want the one who speaks his mind not the one who asks questions. Would you please give me the exact spelling of his name to make sure my vote counts. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Re: Anyone who wants to vote NO because of the program cuts: Well you go right ahead and vote NO!
And I encourage you to go recruit others who think like you to also vote NO!

And those of you who have other reasons to vote NO, well you too should do the same.

I wonder if it is possible to get a unanimous NO vote?

Anonymous said...

SCATS Our community IS "different" about supporting budgets. We have voted down zero increase budgets, propositions for using state money with no local tax increase, and our board even voted down the first step toward taming the GTA contract in years after their own negotiating team approved it. I know of no other local district with that kind of record. Also, voting no based on "principle" or some sense of distrust IS playing politics with the future of the students. In trying to "send a message" you take from students and leave untouched those you seem to despise so much. Since you seem so sure about certain issues, such as dismantling schools of choice, wouldn't a better strategy be to get a petition to the board to do something specific like put out a proposition with the budget vote about such issues to resolve them once and for all? How about collecting and posting concrete evidence of the board ignoring a huge list of real residents who have the conviction to sign with their actual name and tax paying addreses? It may be much easier and entertaining to sit behind this site and foster criticism, cynicism, and conspiracy theories, but I think that is neither beneficial nor admirable. Negativity and distrust are always easier to stir up. OK, now you can shoo me away...

SCATS said...

To 7:26AM ~~ I've suggested voting on schools -of-choice many times over the years. It will NEVER happen! This district already knows how the masses feel on this topic (exit polls, surveys, forums) and they prefer to ignore it. One must assume that there is a payoff for doing so.

Posting a list of people the BOE has ignored won't help. I've posted lists of issues, rules, laws, policies and other things they've ignored. It's all about power on their end. They "feel" important ;)

Anonymous said...

@7:26am .....ever notice that people who oppose what's in place are limited on how long they can speak at forums? The ones who support the bureaucracy can prattle on and on and on....

SCATS said...

To 4:19AM ~~ It's Charles Hubbard who "speaks" his mind. It's George Hubbard who asks questions & analyzes data.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 7:26 (anonymous)
Yes Greece is different - they want to know what they are getting for their money. Just paying more taxes with nothing to show for it is what most districts do - Greece questions things and thats as it should be. There is no better example than the worthless give-away contracts like the one you discribe - just throwing money down the drain and at least Greece taxpayers have had enough. Others are playing coverup.

You use the words 'principle' and 'distrust' as though having these traits are a problem. Last year the voters 'sent a message' via their vote. The school board gave the voters the finger which was the 'message' sent to the owners of the district. Ask yourself, if that message promotes 'trust' and when the board gave us the finger, was that based on some kind of 'principle'??

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

Charlie,

This confrontational approach, the constant voting down of budgets, has an affect on the desirability of Greece as a place to raise a family. A conservative estimate I am making is over two dozen families have told me in the past few years that they would never consider moving to Greece because of the schools. Not that they are bad, but because it appears that the voters do not "support" education because they keep voting down budgets that seem to be reasonable compared to what passes in other districts. While this may be a source of pride for you and others, it has an effect on the town's reputation, which in turn hurts housing prices and the growth of local businesses.

SCATS said...

To 3:41PM ~~ You've been drinking the Kool-Aid again & it shows. You say the schools "aren't bad" and that it's the voting down of budgets and negativity that keeps people away. Guess what? If the schools were good, people wouldn't be leaving! People would CHOOSE to come here regardless!

And FYI, spending more money doesn't improve the results! We've seen that time and again. The only way to improve results is to hold the BOE, Supt., administration & teachers accountable. It's easier to nail jello to a tree! The contracts in Greece are keeping things where they are ... near the bottom of the county's educational barrel.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 3:41 (anonymous)
Yes it is a source of pride but more than that is it's a source of RESPECT.
Any and I mean ANY elected official who does not RESPECT the VOTE of the people they are elected to represent cannot be TRUSTED. What an insult. What a message for our kids to see.
This is reality not some fairy tale and it is NOT how our democracy works.

Lets never forget the need for more spending is brought to you by the school board approved contracts - always remember that. Which brings me to the message you can take to your 'friends' - within the public education monopoly there is NO relationship between COST and QUALITY. The taxpayers in Greece know this - those in other communities are 'starting' to figure it out.

mcampanaro said...

Just wondering how many of you are taking advantage of the beautiful Senior Community Center in Greece (at taxpayers expense). Oh and the YMCA with all the Senior perk programs happening there as well. Are the seniors paying for that as well? Or is much of it funded through the generous donations of those of us who have children. If you have the funds to invest in yourself and all those lovely senior housing, and expensive homes that some of the retired seniors are living in. Yet you begrudge those of us who are trying to raise our children in this community. Gosh, why should I want my child to get a good education, be safe and have opportunities to grow into well mannered, well rounded adults who give back to the community? Consider the education system demands (state and federal mandates), the higher numbers of children with disabilities and behavioral issues costing the system millions! and the list goes on. Yet so many of you are trying to compare now with when you went to school or were raising your children. Too bad no one tried to pull the rug out from under you?

SCATS said...

To 12:20AM ~~ Re: "Or is much of it funded through the generous donations of those of us who have children."

What the heck are you talking about? The Senior & COMMUNITY CENTER (that is its complete name) is open for everyone and has many programs for children, teens, families and senior citizens. No one asked us about building it as far as I can recall. Auberger shoved it down everyone's throats. Do you know that AARP isn't permitted to meet there unless they rent a room??

I have no idea what "donations" by people with children you are talking about anyway. The folks with kids in GCSD schools are in the MINORITY in this town ;)

Anonymous said...

There is this thing in America called the democratic process. If you want certain things - put forward a candidate that feels the way you do and get him or her elected.

Or you could just keep b@#ching and moaning. Given the hot air on this site, I have a feeling which direction we can expect you to go.

SCATS said...

To 7:47PM ~~ regarding Democratic process ...

Q - Where/when was that used to decide to have any of the SOC's?
A - It wasn't! No vote was ever held! In fact, they waited until they got the funding passed to build Pinebrook and THEN TOLD US IT WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER SOC.

Q - How often does the BOE or District Office ignore rules, laws and even GCSD's own policies?
A - FREQUENTLY! Even the people who voted to create/adopt policies ignore them once they get comfy being social with other BOE members, administrators, etc. Just ask Oberg ;)

Q - How many people does it take to order subs for lunch in the Greece Central School District?
A - FIVE! They won't have subs, let alone subs with mayo and cheese unless 5 of the BOE say "we want subs with mayo & cheese!"

Q - Where was the "democratic process" that got the BOE to save West Ridge kindergarten a year ago?
A - There was none! The BOE allowed themselves to be subjected to 3 hrs of wailing into mics in a packed cafeteria and then told the Supt. he wasn't doing his job the way they wanted. Same thing happened with the hockey coach debacle! The BOE sticks their nose where it doesn't belong. It's called micro-managing.

There is no such thing as "Democratic Process" in the Greece School District.

Anonymous said...

Vote someone in that represents your views or stop whining.

SCATS said...

To 6:44PM ~~ Simply because you don't like opposing viewpoints doesn't make those who hold such views "whiners." In case you haven't heard, this is the United States where voicing our opinions is allowed without having to do anything other than voice them. Until the likes of Oberg & Auberger take over the USA, opposing views will continue to be posted, encouraged, BLOGGED about etc. on this site ;)

Anonymous said...

That's right - Freedom of speech does allow you to whine. I call it whining because to complain about something but do nothing about it....oh, that's whining!

Offer up a candidate or run yourself. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

SCATS said...

To 3:27AM ~~ Don't look now, but you ARE WHINING!!

Anonymous said...

What's the problem? I thought you were all about whining? Does it bother you when someone else does it?

SCATS said...

To 6:13PM ~~ Proving yourself to be a hypocrit is fine by me.

Anonymous said...

Just playing the part of a mirror;)

SCATS said...

I break them routinely :D

Anonymous said...

You crack me up. Get it? :)

SCATS said...

Got it!