Friday, April 08, 2011

SUPT SEARCH: FAILED!!

  
To the Greece BOE:

How dare you try to stick us with candidates who have NEVER taught, come from districts that are smaller than our high schools, who are eyeballing your incredibly lucrative salary offers to pad their retirements or who are essentially unemployed "has beens" from other districts!


Twice you've FAILED to bring us a suitable candidate for this important leadership position!

The people of Greece and the students of the district deserve better!

PLEASE BEGIN ANOTHER SEARCH ASAP!

Don't settle for someone else's cast-off!

Tell the BOE HERE that you want better choices!
  

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Are you out of your mind? There are at least two good candidates in the group. You are not happy unless you are bashing someone or something.

Anonymous said...

The chances of them starting over are about the same as reinstating 4th grade instrumental music. The BOE is too dumb and/or political to do either. Although if the top 4 or 5 cabinet members advised to start over the BOE might. But that would then be the dumbest thing they could ever do. Those top administrators do not want a strong competent supt. They want to be allowed to screw up our kid's education without any interference from a strong leader. Remember that Oberg's BOE is buying uniforms, floor scrubbers, replacing perfectly good equipment and keeping the armies of clerical staff (that means they don't teach kids!!) in each building rather than maintaining the learning programs that enrich our kids lives. I think any of the three candidates would turn that situation around in a hurry. And the folks that have been the architects of the decline and fall of GCSD are not about to let that happen.

SCATS said...

To 8:48AM ~~ I was happy with a candidate in the FIRST search, remember? ;)

To 9AM ~~ I know it's unlikely, but it scares me to death that they will choose someone who has no experience with a district of this size, or who has never spent time teaching in a classroom.

Anonymous said...

I hate to burst SCATS bubble on the first search candidate that was liked, but we know city people at that lady's school who said she was an incompetent administrator and had to be removed. So much for the first search. Did Carlisle get the boot from the city? Did Churchville-Chili tell Deane-Williams to hit the road? Is Pembroke fed up with Mix?
Let's hear some first-person accounts of what these candidates did right or did wrong.

Anonymous said...

They will just hire another puppet who feels an obligation to do what the special interests tell him or her.

SCATS said...

To 10:10AM ~~ "We know city people at that lady's school ..."

I bet that you could find someone at anyone's school who will say that. Let's listen to people but also keep your mind open to the candidate. Said candidate knew we lacked ANY STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK & that it is causing us to be unable to make intelligent decisions on minor stuff like ... THE BUDGET!

This is why we get an $800/day talking head has been for interim supt. that decides the answer to our troubles is to cut the school day at elementary and buy a scoreboard for some team! No one has a "goal" of actually educating kids in this district!

Anonymous said...

I want to say that I don't think the answer is to attack the clerical staff. These are some of lowest paid employees and work extremely hard. I am not discounting that we may be able to consolidate the jobs some staff, but to infer that the cuts should start there to save programs is backwards.

Shannon

SCATS said...

To 10:10AM ~~ Then Mr. Mix should fill that role nicely AND take all the $$ we throw his direction too ;)

Anonymous said...

Unrelated:

http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/apr08/041808.htm

Also, if they ant to save money why do they keep the lights on in ALL the schools ALL NIGHT LONG??

Tom_Klotzbach said...

The bashing of school districts smaller than Greece is so inappropriate.

I have worked with Barbara Deane-Williams as a Board of Education Member at Lyndonville for seven years and also as the Lyndonville rep to the Orleans- Niagara BOCES Board of Education for six years. Quite simply she is the best superintendent I have worked with from any district. Period.

Lyndonville is smaller than Greece. And? So? Writers that bring up this point almost seem to be reveling in the dysfunction they complain about, and think that a smaller district is defective. Educating children is not about how big or small you are, it is about community support, using education systems that work and being able to help every (yes, EVERY) student get a good education so they can excel in college, a skilled trade, military service, etc.

Instead of speculation, here’s what Lyndonville has experienced with Ms. Deane-Williams as superintendent:

1) Improved student performance and the highest ranked school district in Orleans County as reported by Business First of Buffalo.

2) Sound financial management which has resulted in tax relief for residents. The soon to be completed capital budget will come in under budget, on time and with no increase in the tax levy. And this in a time of falling state aid and declining student enrollment.

3) Seeking out and being awarded grants that help students excel such as Reading First. Implementing programs such as AVID (Advancement Via Individual Determination), Professional Learning Communities (which help teachers to put into practice skills which help them be more effective) and the like.

4) Identifying weaknesses and working to improve those areas. When things need improvement I have never seen Barbara Deane-Williams or her staff shirk away from working to effect changes. When state aid was cut this year, Barbara Deane-Williams did not blame Albany or whine like several superintendents have done in the media. She and her staff worked to craft a budget to meet the Board of Education’s goals in regards to a levy increase/decrease and academic programs.

5) Working with the Board of Education to develop long range plans and goals, which are objectively measured every year. Our Board of Education has an excellent working relationship with Barbara and she is very mindful of the Board’s governance role.

So please, stop the bashing of smaller districts. In case you haven’t noticed, there’s plenty of smaller schools that regularly eat the lunch of larger school districts in the areas of academic performance and financial stability and stewardship. Get over yourselves. And if you have questions, my name's in the phone book, so feel free to call. That might be a refreshing change for some, rather than taking shots as an "Anonymous" writer.

SCATS said...

To 12:46PM ~~ Mr. Klotzbach - Your profile link takes me nowhere. So what if you are in the phone book? So am I :)

The fact remains that we could house the entire population of your district in just ONE GREECE HIGH SCHOOL. We have three schools that size, sir, and then there are their companion middle schools. We even have one elementary school with 800 kids! And so I think some of our troubles are related to our size, making it an important part of consideration of who to choose to manage us out of this quagmire.

As far as I can tell, no one "bashed" your district, unless you have a complex over your district's small size. Yes, size does matter.

PS ~~ If she is so wonderful, why not keep her?

Anonymous said...

I like the first lady. And I would ask her to accept 25% of her salary based on student performance improvements over 3 three (structure to be determined). She is data driven and her salary should be also!

Anonymous said...

One has withdrawn their name

Tom_Klotzbach said...

SCATS writes:

"Mr. Klotzbach - Your profile link takes me nowhere. So what if you are in the phone book? So am I :)"

My point was that if folks had questions about what I write, they could contact me. That seems to be an uncommon practice on this blog from what I see.


"The fact remains that we could house the entire population of your district in just ONE GREECE HIGH SCHOOL. We have three schools that size, sir, and then there are their companion middle schools. We even have one elementary school with 800 kids! And so I think some of our troubles are related to our size, making it an important part of consideration of who to choose to manage us out of this quagmire.

As far as I can tell, no one "bashed" your district, unless you have a complex over your district's small size. Yes, size does matter."

We’ll agree to see this differently. Good systems to educate students and provide professional development to help teachers be better teachers will work in a district of any size. Look at AVID and Richard DuFour’s Professional Learning Communities as examples. But it does take leadership to help bring the disparate groups together to focus on the big picture.

As far as bashing, comments made in the context of the current search such as not settling for someone else's "cast off". Why not name specific individuals instead of the broad-brushed statements?


“PS ~~ If she is so wonderful, why not keep her?”

Because kidnapping is illegal and forced servitude went out of fashion in the 1800s. And instead of asking me, did you ask HER at her meeting with the community on Wednesday? Suffice to say, she has a multi-year contract with Lyndonville and I hope we don't lose her.

Anonymous said...

Scats according to my sources Dr. Jana Carlisle has removed herself from the Superintendents pool. Apparently her "white upper middle class" background wasn't a fit for Greece!!!! Now there are two and Mix was awful in his interviews. So it is either Ms. Williams or onto a new search.

SCATS said...

To 3:36 & 3:48PM ~~ Thank you for the info :)

To Mr. Klotzbach ~~ THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS BLOG! Thus, no names needed. If Greece Central were a functional school district, there would be little need for such things. Sadly, it isn't and so this site grows and grows and grows ;)

Re: "Suffice to say, she has a multi-year contract with Lyndonville and I hope we don't lose her." I hope you don't either :)

Charlie Hubbard said...

to Mr. Klotzbach; Unfortunatly your posting is typical school board rubbish - no facts - just feel good generalities.
If as you say you are happy with the lady - so be it. What you don't know is 'why' she is any better than anyone else other than she came in under budget on a building project that with a decrease in enrollment you may not have 'needed' - perhaps as is a typical situation it was something you 'wanted' - this you decribe as a goal??
Please note at no time did you speak to your 'educational goals' in relation to 'cost goals'.

I am happy that your happy with your school system - however if you think for one minute that as a school board member somehow gives you the right to throw stones at 'others' opinion BECAUSE you are a school board member - your wrong.
Most school board members within the taxpayer funded public education monopoly spend their time trying to change the shade of lipstick on the pig that is that monopoly. They are elected by taxpayers to represent taxpayers and to make those being paid with taxpayer $$ accountable for educating our kids - FEW do this and Greece is a prime example.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

If Barb knows what's good for her, she'll do exactly what Jana Carlisle just did.

Likewise for Gary Mix.

Oh, and welcome to Greece Mr. Klotzbach.

Anonymous said...

They shouldn't start over. Just close it all down and give everyone a voucher for Catholic school.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, you are the true Monday morning quarterback for Greece. Your first "choice" could barely put a sentence together while visiting my classroom. Continue to eat your young...

Next you will be ^&^?!*&ing about the cost for having ANOTHER search.

Keep rolling out the welcome mat...

Welcome to Greece, now bend over for the wise SCATS.

SCATS said...

To 7:22PM ~~ Maybe she was flabbergasted by what she saw in your classroom ...? When I spoke to her, she was friendly, direct, poised and had thoughtful, concise answers to my questions. But then, I know I have that impact on most people I meet ;)

Tom_Klotzbach said...

Mr. Hubbard, thank you for standing behind your post.

"to Mr. Klotzbach; Unfortunatly your posting is typical school board rubbish - no facts - just feel good generalities."

Well, I guess we did not get off to a good start, did we.

If you want me to provide the tax levy for Lyndonville over the past five years, let me know. The same for the Business First rankings of Western New York. No problems doing that.


"If as you say you are happy with the lady - so be it. What you don't know is 'why' she is any better than anyone else other than she came in under budget on a building project that with a decrease in enrollment you may not have 'needed' - perhaps as is a typical situation it was something you 'wanted' - this you decribe as a goal??"

Mr. Hubbard, I can tell you why a capital project was needed at Lyndonville. We did not build any new buildings, but had to repair and where needed replace roofs, do plumbing and boiler repairs in buildings where that was indicated, replace the front of the Elementary school (SHPO required), add elevators to Middle School and Elementary (State Ed required), replace furniture that was falling part when you sat in it (and no, there's no plush Board Room - just a plain meeting room), and the like. Even with the declining student population, the repairs were needed as part of building maintenance. So, when you say perhaps it was something we "wanted", well, that's ignorance on your part.


"Please note at no time did you speak to your 'educational goals' in relation to 'cost goals'."

That's because it is a given at Lyndonville. Education choices vs. cost realities are very important to the Lyndonville Board and the taxpayers are but one group that demands that. We have had consistent taxpayer support for several years in the areas of the budget and the capital project - taxpayers in this area would not stand for anything else.


"I am happy that your happy with your school system - however if you think for one minute that as a school board member somehow gives you the right to throw stones at 'others' opinion BECAUSE you are a school board member - your wrong.
Most school board members within the taxpayer funded public education monopoly spend their time trying to change the shade of lipstick on the pig that is that monopoly. They are elected by taxpayers to represent taxpayers and to make those being paid with taxpayer $$ accountable for educating our kids - FEW do this and Greece is a prime example."

Sorry, Mr. Hubbard, I'm not going to stand by while shots masquerading as "opinion" are taken against our Superintendent, or comments are made suggesting that Lyndonville is less of a school district because it is smaller than Greece. I have no problem with thoughtful criticism and vigorous debate. But folks need to stick to the issues.

And you're also welcome to call me, if you want to discuss further person to person.

Anonymous said...

Can we loose the phrase Student enrichment?

The only students being enriched in GCSD are selling dope or shoveling down free cafeteria swill complements of a government program.

The math teachers don't addd up and the English teachers can't communicate. History, what history?

GCSD needs disinfecting from top to bottom!

Anonymous said...

ENOUGH ALREADY-

Shoot go find that fat old police chief who was on the Board and hire him. He knew how to run a Police Department without winding up in jail himself, and he dang sure knows how to run a school better than what's going on now.

You didn't hear all the silly coming out of his mouth when some kid had a good lipload of dip worked up walking around school. That was a man who knew where the bear $#!( in the woods, and wasn't running scared.

He'd put that little Boiley fellow and his bunch in their place too, just like he did when he was police chief.

GCSD needs to be less concerned with what's in Bubba's lip, far less concerned about ElizbethAnn knowing how to roll a rubber onto a squash, and completely out of the homosexual stuff. The lord made snuff for dipping, squash for eating and homosexuals for some reason my kids don't need to be hearing about.

Another thing, just what the hell is going on inside them school buildings they are so ashamed of they don't want any parent seeing? Some screaching fool ought not to be standing there yapping into a CB to call the cops because the little woman and I want to see what our kids are being taught. Complete foolishness. Who do they think they're kidding that they are protecting kids?

SCATS said...

To Mr. Klotzenbach ~~ Re: "So, when you say perhaps it was something we "wanted", well, that's ignorance on your part." Greece doesn't believe in making building repairs! We're $170 million behind in repair & improvement projects now as it is. Remember, I told you, we're
D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L in a major way!

Re: "Sorry, Mr. Hubbard, I'm not going to stand by while shots masquerading as "opinion" are taken against our Superintendent, or comments are made suggesting that Lyndonville is less of a school district because it is smaller than Greece. I have no problem with thoughtful criticism and vigorous debate. But folks need to stick to the issues." I guess you'll have to go elsewhere to defend your puny little country bumpkin district then, because you don't pay my big district tax bill, sit on my unenlightened BOE or run this BLOG ;)

Anonymous said...

I've been to Lyndonville, and I'm acquainted with folks who have children in the Lyndonville schools, and I have conversed with those kids who are at High School level.

Honestly, other than how Lyndonville disposes of surplus property, I can't see where Lyndonville is any better than any other mediocre District in upstate NY.

The graduates of Lyndonville certainly aren't academic superstars based upon a couple I've talked to who were seeking jobs.

Funny thing about statistics and scoring, neither means squat when the rubber meets the road. Were I paying taxes in Lyndonville I'd be making a lot of noise about educational performence.

Anonymous said...

Actually SCATS, he DOES pay for your district tax bill.

Greece gets a significant portion of its operating budget from the state of NY, who gets it's funds from people outside of Greece.

SCATS said...

To 2:38PM ~~ I disagree. I presume he has his own home and a job that pays him an income. He's paying HIS share of the NY State aid through his own bills, not through mine.

Anonymous said...

To 4:50; NYS tax forms require a code to be entered showing the school district of the taxpayers residence. That is used to track the total reported income of taxpayers in a specific school district. Now how that info is used by NYS for school aid remains a mystery but it is probably public knowledge on some website about 8 layers deep.
Thus Mix is "paying" his share in Pembroke or wherever he resides and not our share.

SCATS said...

To 9:01AM ~~ Thank you for that info. I sure hope that 2:38PM reads it ;)

Anonymous said...

Our state income tax goes into the main accounts at the state and pays the state aid for all the school districts across the state as well as all the other state funded programs that pay for roads and employees and the suny etc. Our income tax does not stay here in monroe county or greece whatever. That covers the STAR exemptions across the state for other districts whose 30,000 decrease off the cost of their house is for a much larger cost per thousand of school tax. For example in Greece our school tax is about 20 dollars per thousand so that regular 30k STAR decrease nets us a savings of about $6oo as it states on our bills.

In Westchester County those districts are at maybe $50 per thousand of school tax so the state ...all the income tax payers....are saving them $1500 per residence property. It all depends on what our per thousand is calculated at. So we are screwed on our state income tax when it comes to STAR even though we get to "save" the $600.

SCATS said...

To 12:55PM ~~ I started off following your comment, but you quickly lost me, then gave me a headache trying to understand what you mean. Do you REALLY believe STAR "saves" you money? In my book, when nearly everyone gets the same "savings" it's no longer a discount! There are plenty of people in Greece living in some rather pricey homes that pay NOTHING because of enhanced STAR ... and it's a rip-off to the rest of us who foot the bill for their share of it.

Anonymous said...

Just saying that in richer school districts on NY state they get to have $1500 off their school tax paid for by our state income tax.
The only people that truly "save" are those that pay no income tax. And I was only referring for arguments sake to comparisons of different districts regular STAR decrease.
When STAR is abolished our taxes will increase right away by $600 per year. And the state income tax will probably not decrease proportionately.

SCATS said...

To 1:48PM ~~ I doubt it would decrease at all!