Tuesday, April 05, 2011

REMINDER: Supt. Candidate Forums Tuesday - Thursday

    
The community forums will be held at 4:30 p.m. in the Athena High School Forum Room.Tuesday,

April 5 – Dr. Jana Carlisle

Wednesday, April 6 – Mrs. Barbara Deane-Williams

Thursday, April 7 – Mr. Gary Mix

 SCATS ~~ SCATS & friends are unable to attend these, so any feedback/input is welcomed :)
      

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

I went. She did not, as I anticipate the others will not, know enough about Greece to actually answer questions specifically.

The turn out was by my estimate mostly teachers very few parents. There were 2 parents, and 2 community members that asked questions, the rest were employees of the district.

I did not find it very informative as to how her experience will benefit Greece and really I am not able to form an opinion as to whether or not she is the right fit for Greece.

Shannon

Anonymous said...

Several of the employees who spoke were also Greece residents and parents of students currently in Greece schools and identified themselves as such.

SCATS said...

Shannon ~~ Few candidates I ever saw were "prepared" regarding what GCSD needs. One exception was a fellow who wasn't given any apparent consideration ... he actually wrote up a plan addressing the district's problems which he brought along with him! Another person knew exactly what Greece lacked, but her skin color didn't fly with either the union or the Boily bunch on the BOE.

SCATS said...

To 7:47PM ~~ That me be the case, but when push comes to shove, they are a union member first & foremost.

Anonymous said...

I will correct myself, there were 2 teachers that stated they were parents and teachers in the district. One has grown children that graduated from Athena and one I believe that teachers at Apollo (not sure) has children in the schools now. The last teacher that had a child with her was a teacher not living in Greece and perhaps someone else will let you in on her issues...I choose not too.
Shannon

Anonymous said...

I was in attendance for Dr. Carlisle and am not an employee. I expected little but I was extremely impressed by her remarks, attitude and demeanor. This lady is very bright, not at all slick or edu-speak, absolutely not the least bit of a know-it-all, and best of all she seemed genuinely interested in taking on the job at hand.
Now I don't think she has any idea of what a dysfunctional board we have and how the "cabinet" will be out to "cut her to pieces" from the get-go. But she is motivated to return to Rochester, her husband is an M.D. and I think she cares about kids and high educational standards and achievement.
But the best reason for choosing her may very well be her description of herself as a data-driven, performance driven, achievement oriented individual. Her career has been built on leading difficult projects to successful conclusions and facilitating and building coalitions of stakeholders to achieve results. Many of her experiences were with outside people at very high levels. This lady has worked with Governors, the Bill Gates foundation, and a plethora of non-educational movers and shakers. She will not be intimidated by the petty, narrow minded, incompetent and vindictive people who will report to her. They will clean up their act or ship out. And her level of excellence will attract others who can instill excellence in our district.
So we need to see the other candidates. But we don't need to choose a small district superintendent who might be promoted to her level of incompetence or an arrogant gunslinger looking to pump up his salary before retirement (didn't we just get rid of one of these?).
But we may very well be able to choose a no-nonsense, very bright, very engaging leader who will stand a pretty fair chance of turning the mess in Greece into something we can be proud of.

SCATS said...

To 9:41PM ~~ Thank you for the summary. Sadly, I believe that if she is all you say she is then our BOE will want NOTHING to do with her. The reasons are obvious, she would tell them to get their act together. I think the same is true of GTA. They wouldn't want her.

Anonymous said...

I wrote 9:41PM and remarked as I left that she will never get the job because she is "too good".
Your reaction was the same.
The guy from Akron that competed with Achramovitch was also a similar performance driven person but never got much support from the board. The BOE sees high performance driven people as "uncontrollable" and unwilling to play ball with the politicos. Damn the kid's education.
You can bet that the proposed budget would look a lot different if we had a Dr. Carlisle or similar leading the process.

Anonymous said...

Hands down, she is the best on so far! (Smile)

Wonder how much of her pay she is willing to have dependent on student performance?
(Memo to school board members: ask her that question today and see if you get a response. Thanks)

SCATS said...

What does it mean that Carlisle doesn't want to be "a serial superintendent"? Did she explain that?

Anonymous said...

One more request of the teachers:

How about paying the substitute teacher's salary for the first five days of "illness"? That would
bring your absenteeism (with pay) back down to industry standards. Just a thought. Or maybe it is a reminder of one of those pesky expenses that public education seems unable to control!

Anonymous said...

Serial supt. was the way she spook of administrators who are fast moving from district to district with implied $ increases each time. But never around long enough to be held accountable for results and longer term trends.
She wasn't quite that specific but there was no doubt what she meant. She spook of a desire to be in this area where she has family, friends and "roots in the community" although Seattle is a great city her "people are here". (direct quote)
Her 3 kids are teens with college years ahead and she seems like she is ready to pitch her tent for quite a while. With an M.D. husband it would seem that his employment is a non-issue anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Carlisle is the real deal. She is just what this district needs, but I fear she is too good for the collective idiots on the school board to hire.

She impressed me with her long list of credentials and well-rounded experience in the educational field. Most of all she came across as her own person who would deal with the ills of our district. Unfortunately,it is just those attributes that will cost her the job and our district the leader it needs.

One need only listen to and observe the body language of our top administrators -- very uncomfortable and for good reason. This woman is smart and would soon recognize the incompetence of those individuals who are responsible for the failure of our district in student performance. She strikes me as a person who cannot be intimidated and would not bow to pressure from those not interested in our students best interests. This factor is strike two in costing her the job.

The special interest groups who control this district will oppose her as they will not be able to put her on their board of directors and we all know which group I am referring to. These people want a weak leader that they can control as they did with Achramovitch. In reality she is too well qualified to suit their political agenda. In my opinion she is DOA and that's a crime.

SCATS said...

To 11:40AM ~~ Thank you for giving that quote some context.

To 11:41AM ~~ I completely agree with how GCSD admin and the BOE feel threatened by anyone who really understands what needs to be done. I also tend to think she will be viewed as less than equal because she is female and the good ole boys are still runnin' things in this town. Meg was the only female Supt. we ever had (not counting interims).

What bothers me is her "heal the district" babble. That's a rerun leftover from the days when CARE was blamed for all evil in GCSD-land.

Her other quotes also cause me to wonder ... "I believe it is my time to lead. It is time to test my belief systems and bring in an approach to leadership I believe is unique." Shouldn't we get someone with a PROVEN TRACK RECORD, not just beliefs?

And then there's: Carlisle said she and union leaders would have to "spend a lot of time together to really parse out where we need to go to reach an agreement that is palatable."

Will they hold hands? Sing Kumbayah? After 5 yrs. I think it's clear where the "breakdown" in negotiations lies.

Anonymous said...

She did state she does not believe that "low student teacher ratios" are a must for success. She said that research indicates that a highly effective teacher can have great result with larger class numbers.
She did not say if the success with higher student numbers are in classrooms that are grouped in terms of hetero/homogeneous groupings

Shannon

Anonymous said...

Scats,12:01...the union contract question is, of course, a roadside bomb waiting to blow up the responder. Rather than give a slick self-serving answer like "I have tons of experience and I can get it done" which would be BS, she gave an answer that sent the following message without suggesting the answer nor tipping her opinions. (For all we know she might seek a huge rollback in union benefits once she sees how our money is spent).
She would spent considerable time with the stakeholders listening and learning. She implied with her tone and body language that it will be tough, difficult and painful. Her remarks portrayed a person that would have the confidence to find the best outcome for kids.
When she said that the hours of the school day were sacrosanct as kids need all the instruction time possible she sounded like a leader that wouldn't have recommended cutting elementary music, art and library.
So given all the possible answers to the union contract question I liked that her answer had "we" rather than "I" as the theme.

Anonymous said...

Dean -Willaims - Superior candidiate.

Dr. Carlisle has no teaching background and will merely use Greece as a stepping stone like Walts.

She is simply a "political... pass the test educator" - a minor player trying to play on the big national field of high stakes testing and "sweeping reform."

Anonymous said...

6:51; and your candidate is the best because..........I hope she is brighter than the writer.

Anonymous said...

Barb Deane-Williams did a nice job today. Impressed with her understanding of GCSD. Who cares that she's from a small district? If you look at Business First rankings, she turned Lyndonville around.

Anonymous said...

I believe it matters a lot that two of these candidates have only managed tiny districts so far. Lyndonville is 750 students and only two buildings. Pembroke has a little over 1,000 students and 3 schools. This is a HUGE jump for them. Jana at least has experience in several larger systems.

Anonymous said...

Business First ratings are just about test scores and graduation rates. Certainly a lot easier to move in a short time in a tiny district (50 per class?).

Anonymous said...

Carlisle by three links, so far.

Anonymous said...

I like the idea of having teachers pay the salaries of substutute teachers; these are costs incurred becasue of the excessive sick time taken by teachers. I think this would help get that absenteeism rate down to more legitimate levels.

If we ever have another contract discussion, that should be on the list of demands.

SCATS said...

To 10:12AM ~~ I like it too. In fact I was giving thought to writing a BLOG asking GTA to "concede" sick time instead of pay raises to bring the budget under control a couple weeks ago.

On the topic of Supt. Candidates ~~ I think our BOE has FAILED to find a good choice once again.

Anonymous said...

We can provide feed back on the candidates via BOCES at the following link.
http://www.monroe2boces.org/about.cfm?subpage=2444

SCATS said...

To 10:29AM ~~ THANK YOU! :)

Anonymous said...

Mr. Mix is basically an excellent principal but called a supt. in his small district. His remarks today were intellectually shallow, repetitious, insufficient, and I think the audience became bored with his flat and pedantic answers. Nice guy, will be much happier staying where he is. Simply out of his league with the two ladies.
So we choose between a highly capable CEO quality person and a fiery field general that knows our battlefield the best. But which of the ladies is best for Greece?
I like the CEO (Carlisle) but a strong case can be made for the more animated Deane-Williams. I just want the one that will get rid of at least half of the nasty idiots in central office and put kids first.

Anonymous said...

Looks like SCATS let some name-calling in the door.

SCATS said...

To 9:45PM ~~ No person was called a name.

Anonymous said...

I attended all three sessions and quite frankly, Deane-Williams is the only logical, and qualified choice. She was actually the only candidate to actually utter the word "children" several times throughout her presentation. Isn't that what this us all about? Just as kids will not work for an unpassionate teacher, adults won't work for an unpassionate leader. We have done the cerebral, "stuffed shirt" superintendent again and again and look where it's gotten us. We need and our kids deserve a "fiery" approachable leader like Deane-Williams.