Friday, February 11, 2011

Attendance Committee Report

  
The 143 page whopper of a report is ready for public scrutiny, but is the Greece Board of Education ready to take meaningful action? Sorry, but I remain very skeptical ...
  

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Interesting that the numbers accepted last year to PB and WR are in the report yet the numbers that applied vs accepted to OA ( for last year) is left out....

Anonymous said...

To add to my earlier post about OA and not having the number out there for all to see, it is clear that the biased committee want to do away with choice for everyone BUT the 3 CHOSEN schools. It disgusts me that again the DO puts together a sham of a committee to give the appearance of really looking at the issue when ALL have a vested interest in keeping the schools that they have ties to in the statue quo state.

How can SUe Mier be on the committee, is that why number of how many that actually get in each year was OMITTED. Perhaps it is because after the sibs get in there is barely any spots for new families. No mention of the fact that there are over 200 kids on a wait list for 9th grade at OA.

What a waste of time this is....the recommendation only serves to further divide and ensure that the lucky few and their siblings get that top notch experience that simply can not be duplicated in all schools.
UGH so fed up with this!!!

SCATS said...

To 7:26AM ~~ I share your view. In fact, we've been down this road so many times before, I'm not sure I can stomach actually reading this report.

Anonymous said...

You ask for savings and you ask for a district design for the future. A group is assembled and apparently takes a detailed look at the situation we find ourselves in and makes recommendations based on their research.
Because their recommendations aren't precisely what you want, you dismiss them?
Did you volunteer to be on the committee?
Did you attend the community forum?
Did you write/call the superintendent with your input?
Have you taken any action whatsoever to actually become involved in the process?
Their are many people who have.
This process was open and deliberative. To suggest it was rigged from the beginning is cop out.
If you don't like what's going on, then get involved and show up at a meeting and tell the board what you think.
Don't hide on an anonymous blog and complain that the district and Board is not listening to the community.
Show up and be heard.

Anonymous said...

Yes I do show up at meetings and let the superintendent know my thoughts.

When the superintendent said he would keep only choice at the 2 k-5 schools and not the rest of the signature schools he said it would help equalize the numbers and not have boundary changes. How can that happen when these are "legacy schools" where the only new students accepted are at the K level and 75% of those are siblings. No one on the board questioned that and the audience was not allowed to speak. After 2 years without signature schools having a choice element there would be overloading at some of the most populated areas. But it will cut down on bussing.
And he said that bussing would be allowed only within a babysitter in your high school feeder pattern. Does that mean that children who have a babysitter that lives in the superintendent's new boundary around westridge and pinebrook will be a shoe in to PB and WR? Will a child who should attend longridge be allowed to go to buckman heights if the babysitter is in that boundary? Now a child may attend wherever the babysitter is located and is bussed from there and to there.
And there are very few spaces at the 1-5 and the 7-8 and 10-11 spots in the choice schools.
Yes that Sue Meier should not have been on that committee. Her only role was to perpetuate her school.

SCATS said...

To 9:13AM ~~ Please don't over-elevate your level of self-importance for being involved with yet another GCSD committee. When was the last time a district committee accomplished much of anything? Let's look at the Finance Committee as a good example ... as soon as their message got real, they were ... DISSOLVED and replaced!

Not handling the schools-of-choice is the "cop out" here. It's divided this town for 20 years. Everyone who knows anything about Greece, knows the dirty little secrets about the lottery for these schools.

All processes in Greece are "open and deliberative." Just ask the powers that be ... they of course are the same as the ones who hold a closed door meeting before EVERY public meeting. That way they can vote without discussion on everything.

Just remember ... a camel is a horse designed by a committee ;)

SCATS said...

To 9:49AM ~~ The same can be said for Odyssey parent extraordinaire, Gary Elling. Nothing suspicious or out of balance about this committee at all ;)

Anonymous said...

9:13am- I love knowing that the existence of a blog with opposing opinion can be such a thorn in your side. It shows your real motivation- to silence all the critics. Too bad you don't try solving the problems instead. That's the more efficient way of silencing those who speak against your ideas.

Anonymous said...

From 9:13
Solving the problem?
Sounds like a good idea!
What's the problem?
Transport costs?
These will be addressed by elimination of signature schools and secondary option.
Unequal treatment?
Reading the report seems to indicate that WR, PB and Odyssey will have local "home zones" and the selection process will be changed.
It seems pretty clear, based on projections, that WR and PB are expected to be needed as outlet or overflow valves to prevent rezoning.
I found the report thoughtful and well presented. There could be some more specifics and actual dollar figures, but while I don't agree with all of the Recommendations, I can certainly support the whole as a way to move forward and begin the restructuring process.

Anonymous said...

I think it would be a very good thing if the board would come out publicly in support of attendance. Really!!!

Anonymous said...

Do the recommendations deal with the data/facts that show very few minorities get into Pinebrook?

Do we better understand why math and science schools score the lowest on those subjects on fourth grade tests. Do parents know this?

Anonymous said...

Show me the money?

Anonymous said...

10:02 I asked to be on the committee and was said they were all set. I wrote a letter do all BOE member and to DO.

I have one student at secondary option MS. and my younger all attend their homeschool. As much as I love having the choice for my MS child I feel that secondary option and school of choice should be abolished.

This committee was setup to produce an outcome that was desirable for the few chosen ones. It can not be impartial when the players all have a vested interested in the schools of choice.

The district knows my views and had my name and refused to place me on the committee. I have offered numerous times at school and via DO to serve on such committees. I am and have been fro a few years an active parent advocated for meetings with the special ed dept.

This outcome severs to remove any choice fro the MAJORITY of parents looking for a school other than the homeschool. It servers to protect those already at PB and WR and thumbs its nose at EVERY OTHER CHILD/PARENT IN THIS DISTRICT DESPERATE FOR THE SAME EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY AS THOSE AT THE 2 SCHOOLS. It tell parents you have not choice but to send your child to violence plagued Olympia, OH so sorry. As a side note the district refuses to take action on the boarder jumpers being dropped off on True Hickory and then walk to Olympia.

SCATS said...

For the record ~~ I have given my personal input on this and many other topics over the years, like characteristics we should seek in a new superintendent, etc. I refuse to waste my time sitting on some bogus committee with a predeterimed outcome. Just look at the Communications Committee report to see what a complete waste of time really looks like LOL

I find my time and voice are much better heard by posting my opinions and those of others here, on Facebook, Twitter, etc. :) We ARE heard.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 9:13 (anonymous) who chooses to 'hide' via anonymous and critisize others for doing the same - thats called hypocracy.

As to using a committee to make decissions on school structure. Question - we are paying out MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars every year for central office to 'run' this district. These are decissions that are part of 'running' the district - if not - what are taxpayers getting for their money?
Committees are a coverup for a lack of management backbone. A coverup for a school board who never wants 'their' fingerprints on anything controversial.

Let me be very clear the super and school board wants to have these committes to 'hear' from the community - THAT is nothing but pure crap. When you don't listen to the VOTE of the community at budget time?????
PURE HYPOCRACY!!!!
It's a funny thing about running a multimillion organization, every once in a while controlversial decissions need to be made. Well run organizations have 'leaders' to make them - Greece does not.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ Would you support a community-wide vote on the school structure issue? I've always thought that was the appropriate way to handle this. I'm sure we'd see the teeming masses lined up to cast their votes if the issue of continuing funding schools-of-choice with it's actual pricetag were spelled out on the ballot. It's not too late to still do it and we've got to vote in May anyways ;)

Anonymous said...

There is a community wide vote on school structure every year in May.
If you want to change the structure and you think the community will support it, then put a slate of candidates together and run on a single issue.
It would take no more than 2 years to have a BOE who would could vote with impunity to change the structure.
If it is what the community wants, it should be pretty easy.

SCATS said...

To 5:36PM ~~ There is a vote on the BUDGET, which covers the increased cost for the current structure in it. There is no need to put together a slate of candidates for 2 yrs in a row to change structure when a "NO VOTE" should do it (based upon your type of logic).

I'm suggesting that we give the community at large the opportunity to vote on retaining or eliminating schools-of-choice. It impacts every citizen in this town in some way. It's time to put it up for a vote if you want to retain it. Of course we know it would never survive, because there are too few really "special" people who benefit.

Charlie Hubbard said...

Scats; you ask if i would support a vote on schools of choice and the answer is no.
There was no vote when they were created - it was done to solve a problem with changing boundries ect. so it's purpose was to meet that need. That 'need' is no longer. It is in fact the opposite.

Right or wrong people stood up and made a decission for a reason. We have a major $$ problem right here-right now.
This year administration and the school board because of spending chose to raise class size while keeping the increased bussing costs associated with open enrollment and school of choice. A true example of incompetence. Contracts with raises unattainable $$ amounts have been approved. I could go on and on.
Only a blind man could not have seen the financial mess we are in now and what has administration and the school done to prepare? Put off making a decission on these items until NEXT year?????

Because of this incompetence another budget defeat is emminet with absolutly NO CONCERN shown by either administration or the school board that THAT vote will be heard.
So, show me some respect for the vote and the voters on the budget 'before' we have any votes on other things.

Anonymous said...

What I'm saying is that there is no need for a special vote on anything. You won't get it anyway. So why not use the system the way it is designed. Find the appropriate representatives, get some supporters, vote them into office and have them change the system.
You've been doing this for over 2400 blogs and that doesn't seem to be working for you. Why not try something new? If the community supports you, as you claim, it should be pretty easy to make it happen.

SCATS said...

To 6:58PM ~~ You ask: "So why not use the system the way it is designed." Simple: Because it doesn't work that way in this town where everything has been politicized.

Where did you get the idea that this blog hasn't been working for me? I've never said any such thing. In fact, I contend this blog has accomplished more changes in 5 yrs. than Frank Oberg has made in his 6 yrs on the BOE, including this yr. as BOE Prez.

SCATS said...

I'm going to post a comment (below) that was left on another thread because it seems to be relevant to the discussion on several different fronts.

Anonymous said...
Unfortunately things won't change in Greece until real leadership is in charge or elected. We don't have leaders on the BOE...we have individuals that don't make the best decisions for the entire community, the BOE simply acts in response to those who speak the loudest (ex., school of choice parents, WR parents when it should have closed, etc). There has also been zero talk about the BOE making it district policy to NOT have seniors take 6 credits. In essence, the BOE is dumbing down education in Greece, and indirectly is persuading schools to graduate students as quickly as possible. How are the graduates of Greece (and believe it or not, there are many talented ones - but you wouldn't read that from posters here) going to complete for college spots at SUNY schools and other universities without a background if diverse electives in art, social studies, science, etc.? I fear more of the have/have-nots. AP and IB electives will never be cut, but many other classes will be eliminated as deemed not to be needed. This blog is about the only thing in Greece that resembles protest of policies. There is zero leadership from the district, the BOE, schools, PTA, GTA or any other organization. It's a shame, but a reality. Greece won't change without leaders that are committed to making the district a more efficient, educationally focused place.

2/11/2011 7:22 PM

Anonymous said...

As an interesting case study, we cold look at the Boston, MA schools. They were having serious problems with low graduation rates, high drop out rates (sound like a familiar situation?)
They have focused on attendance and watching carefully, with extra help as needed, for those students starting in 9th grade who are deemed t risk - those students with attendance problems and low reading and math test scores. The result has been an increase in graduation rates to the low 60's and a goal to raise it to 80% by 2015! The drop out rate has fallen to about 5%.
If a focused program to deal with at-risk students in an urban setting can work in Boston, why not in Greece? All it takes is commitment to a goal and putting the resources in line to meet the goal.
Attendance matters. Fundamentals like reading and math matter.

SCATS said...

To 10:20PM ~~ Commitment is a keyword. I've not seen it in Greece in the last 15 yrs. at all. Have you? Other than a commitment to spend as much as possible doing as little as possible ;)

Anonymous said...

If you look closely at the report, dollar amounts are recorded for doing away with secondary school of choice option but not for getting rid of Odyssey. Just the transportation cost of changing its feeder pattern. Odyssey will never be abolished because Sue M makes sure they are always in the news for good things. The sibling policy is wrong and should have been abolished a long time ago. The lottery was tainted and although may not be now, too many people know it was corrupt at one time. I for example was told (6 years ago by our elementary principal) that my child "had a spot" at Odyssey if I wanted it. I said no, I do not support the IB program (AP is good enough and costs less by the way and offers more options for the students.) My problem is that unless OA is abolished it is unfair to the remaining taxpayers to remove school of choice. I have friends with kids at OA and they joke about their "low cost private school". Sad, but true. If my tax dollars are going to continue to pay for OA, PB, and WR then I want to pay for school of choice as well. Yep, that means higher taxes but so be it.