Wednesday, January 26, 2011

Special Ed Incompetence To Cost GCSD $1 Million?

  
Anonymous said...

Dear SCATS,
Although I admit to being biased, you may want to post this under a new heading for maximal visibility.

Once again, special education in GSCD, under the helm of Deb Hoeft, proves it's gross incompetence, the great cost of us all.

This news was attempted to be hidden from the citizens of Greece. It was assuredly an agenda topic of BOE executive session. Due to failure to abide by New York State Medicaid policies and procedures, GCSD has been charged, in recent weeks, to PAY BACK to New York State Medicaid a sum of very near ONE MILLION DOLLARS!! The reason? REQUIRED Special Education policies (of which Deb Hoeft was in charge of creating and implementing) were not in place to properly bill Medicaid for specialized services to students (such as speech therapy and physical therapy)over the last many years in GCSD. How did this happen? Last year New York State Medicaid audited GCSD, and found that since these required policies and procedures (which are spelled out to all school districts as bulleted points!) were not in place, Greece is required to pay back services billed to NYS Medicaid..which comes to a colossal 1 MILLION DOLLARS. Here's the kicker, had Medicaid been billed correctly for these services, under competently implemented and supervised procedures,(or simply following Medicaid's BULLETED, OUTLINED, CLEAR AS DAY POINTS!) the audit would have revealed that all services were billed correctly and reimbursable, and GSCD would NOT be in it's current position of needing to pay back ONE MILLION DOLLARS to NYS Medicaid. This is literally throwing away ONE MILLION DOLLARS in state aid that has already been paid to Greece. It was line itemized in past budgets. It now has to be given back. I wonder where this ONE MILLION DOLLARS will come from??? How about from payroll? How about starting with the payroll of the person whose JOB it was to be sure Medicaid policies and procedures were being followed so that GCSD would not have to GIVE BACK ONE MILLION DOLLARS. And whose job was that? Deb Hoeft, What do you have to say for yourself? Not much considering you were hoping this news would never see the light of day.   1/26/2011 8:20 PM

SCATS ~~ History repeats itself so fast in the Greece Central School District it almost makes my head spin!
  

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

wow, that's incredible, wonder where the money will come from???

Anonymous said...

wtf

SCATS said...

To 8:34PM ~~ Maybe this is why the policy in the course offering guide was changed without discussion. It will come from the hide of school children, not the adults who screwed up. SAD!

Anonymous said...

If this is true I think her aspiring dreams of her becoming a Stupidentant are not going to happen. I wonder if this is why she was looking so haggard at the last BOE.

Isn't she also now in charge of GCSD's schools of choice? That will surely go up in flames.

Frank and Co. What do you think of all your precious Administrators now? I wonder what else they have screwed up!!

Anonymous said...

Everybody has screwed up at work at some time or another, but $1,000,000? Holy sh**! Anyone feel like dropping her a note or two, her email is:
Debbie.Hoeft@greece.k12.ny.us

I went to seethroughny, and interestingly her name does not register. I'd love to know what kind of dough she's making with these results.

Anonymous said...

Medicaid fraud...Personally liable for Civil Rights Lawsuits...Only the best in Greece. And they want to give $250,000 for the next Superintendant. Maybe they should pay a minimal salary and save their money to cover for all of the incompetence of the Administrators.

Anonymous said...

Surprise! Surprise!

This is old news to some of us. It started over 5 years ago. Ask around and you'll learn a lot. Glad to see State auditor is on his/her toes - finally.

SCATS said...

To 9:34PM ~~ I found her salary on pg. 59 for the year 2010 ... she made $135,101.

Anonymous said...

Greece Central Schools Greece Central Schools Hoeft, Deborah Ndr $122,183 2008
Greece Central Schools Greece Central Schools (Professional) Hoeft, Deborah A Ndr $127,238 2009
Greece Central Schools Greece Central Schools (Professional) Hoeft, Deborah A Ndr $135,101 2010

I wonder what her raise was for this year?

Anonymous said...

Found this on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/26/florida.grading.parents/index.html?hpt=Sbin

I would like to see this partnered with teacher "grades" as well. This would be the entire picture needed to show the "problem areas".

Tom Kackmeister said...

I sent what appears below to Debb Hoeft this AM. I'll pass on any response I get.



What do you say to this posting at SCATS blog? If you cannot respond, can someone else speak for you?

Tom Kackmeister; taxpayer.

COPIED from SCATS

Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Special Ed Incompetence To Cost GCSD $1 Million?

Anonymous said...

Dear SCATS,
Although I admit to being biased, you may want to post this under a new heading for maximal visibility.

Once again, special education in GSCD, under the helm of Deb Hoeft, proves it's gross incompetence, the great cost of us all.

This news was attempted to be hidden from the citizens of Greece. It was assuredly an agenda topic of BOE executive session. Due to failure to abide by New York State Medicaid policies and procedures, GCSD has been charged, in recent weeks, to PAY BACK to New York State Medicaid a sum of very near ONE MILLION DOLLARS!! The reason? REQUIRED Special Education policies (of which Deb Hoeft was in charge of creating and implementing) were not in place to properly bill Medicaid for specialized services to students (such as speech therapy and physical therapy)over the last many years in GCSD. How did this happen? Last year New York State Medicaid audited GCSD, and found that since these required policies and procedures (which are spelled out to all school districts as bulleted points!) were not in place, Greece is required to pay back services billed to NYS Medicaid..which comes to a colossal 1 MILLION DOLLARS. Here's the kicker, had Medicaid been billed correctly for these services, under competently implemented and supervised procedures,(or simply following Medicaid's BULLETED, OUTLINED, CLEAR AS DAY POINTS!) the audit would have revealed that all services were billed correctly and reimbursable, and GSCD would NOT be in it's current position of needing to pay back ONE MILLION DOLLARS to NYS Medicaid. This is literally throwing away ONE MILLION DOLLARS in state aid that has already been paid to Greece. It was line itemized in past budgets. It now has to be given back. I wonder where this ONE MILLION DOLLARS will come from??? How about from payroll? How about starting with the payroll of the person whose JOB it was to be sure Medicaid policies and procedures were being followed so that GCSD would not have to GIVE BACK ONE MILLION DOLLARS. And whose job was that? Deb Hoeft, What do you have to say for yourself? Not much considering you were hoping this news would never see the light of day. 1/26/2011 8:20 PM

SCATS ~~ History repeats itself so fast in the Greece Central School District it almost makes my head spin!

Anonymous said...

Maybe she got a raise for not costing us 2 million. In the BOE's way of financial management, that would be a savings of $1M and worth rewarding.

SCATS said...

To 9:13AM ~~ No, that would NOT be the entire picture, but it would definitely be a bigger piece of the picture. FYI, my parents had next to no involvement in my education when I was growing up. While I've had no problem being involved for my kids, I resent the level of involvement that is too often required! Some of the "projects" assigned are largely busy work for parents, not learning for students! I'm NOT in the classroom and shouldn't have to learn the district's particular math curriculum to be able to help my kid succeed! THAT is the teacher's job! My job is to provide proper rest, clothing, nutrition, etc. in support. So let's not confuse the wage earner's role at school with the bread winner's role at home.

SCATS said...

To Tom K. ~~ If you hear anything other than the chirp of crickets, I'll be shocked! Thanks for the help :)

To 11:24AM ~~ SHHHH!!!! Don't give them any ideas!

Anonymous said...

scats did your parents place a value on education? I suspect that it was understood that you would do your work, not misbehave or there would be consequences. Perhaps involvement is not a good choice of words, fundamentally I think as a society parents put many things before education.

Anonymous said...

To add I think that involvement should equate to:
Have your child well rested
Fed and clothed in weather appro. clothing
hav eyour child to school on time and at school ( unless illness emergency)
Check homework to see if done or attempted

Many of these above are not being done by many parents!

SCATS said...

To 12:54PM ~~ Re: "scats did your parents place a value on education?" One did, the other - not so much. I defintely had mixed messages about the value of education.

Re: "fundamentally I think as a society parents put many things before education." I blame that on the fact that even our schools put sports and other cativities ahead of actual learning in their priorities. Example: We cut high school electives, but save the football team.

I myself believe that getting an education is the "job" our children have. I also believe it is THE CHILDRENS' JOB, not their parents'.

To 12:58PM ~~ I agree that those are the RESPONSIBILITIES of the parents.

Anonymous said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- until this district purges the remaining incompetent overpaid administrators and department heads left over from the Walts' years, this district will continue to tank. Hoeft, Pallas, Mitchell, Marino and others should have been circling the "bowl" right after Keller-Cogan was dumped. It's high time the flushing is completed.

Achramovitch wouldn't do it. In fact, in one instance he couldn't if he wanted to because of his inability to refrain from playing in his own "sandbox."

Don't expect the dolts who sit on the school board to do anything about this continuing problem, they don't have the gonads of the HMO board who took the needed action to get rid of the major problem.

While the board does not have the power to remove these losers, they certainly could recommend that their only employee, the Superintendent, bring in some new competent administrators. The wimps on our current board would never do it because any such action on their part might by viewed as "micro-managing." (Their favorite excuse for their inaction.)

HMO did it because it was the RIGHT THING TO DO. However their efforts fell short because while the head of the snake was cut off, it lived on in the aforementioned individuals, grew a new head and continued to spew its venom on our educational process denying our students a quality education and we taxpayers more bang for our buck.

We need a new board to right the ship, not simply rearrange the deck chairs as the USS Greece Central School District goes down by the bow.

Please, if there are any more HMO types out there, get involved run for the school board before it's too late to improve the education of our kids.

Anonymous said...

Not related to the thread. Scats, Why is the community not able to bring a lawsuit regarding the schools of choice? They are charter schools with in the GCSD. The are exclusive and with the lottery excludes many that want better for their kids. After watching a few excerpts from Waiting for Superman, I am certain that not only is it morally wrong but it may be illegal based on discrimination laws. The issue of bad teachers and "tracks" that kids are put on almost certainly create the results of failure that we see on a large scale. If GCSD used tracks, and they may have a fancy word for it but they do, it could point to the key as to why PB WR AND OA have the records they do. If that is the case then the community would have grounds to claim that the education is not equal at ALL schools based on what is provided and the tracks. Just some thoughts.

SCATS said...

To 7:47AM ~~ Has anyone from the community attempted to bring the lawsuit you mentioned? I've never heard that anyone had. I'd love to see someone do it.

Anonymous said...

scats I am the 747 am poster...and I have thought about it but based on an info I can gather the schools are shielded from such suits. The schools are not obligations are superficial and so subjective it would be almost impossible to show causation.

That being said for parents that have children being bullied you do have cause google it and you can find a few cases as recent as 2009 where the supreme court has ruled that discrimination based in sex is a foundation when the "act" was rooted in bulling. IE a boy bullying a girl to lift skirt...and district does nothing.

I am curious to see if any input can point to the validity of a law suit based on discrimination. Teh areas that should be closely examined are schools of choice and poverty, race and track or education provided in comparison to other school with same grades.

s~

Anonymous said...

Section V follows USA Hockey rules which mandate a suspension for at least one game (more if it is a second or third offense) for fighting. The referees are the ones who determine this. Schools and teams are free to add additional penalties.

Here is the game sheet:
http://sectionv.stats.pointstreak.com/templatepreview/gamesheet_full.html?gameid=1436055

Three players from each team got fighting penalties - one got a double which means a two or three game suspension.

Anonymous said...

10:51, If you are serious about getting involved in the issue, the stats your looking for (racial & economical demographics at individual schools) are right here on this sight. SCATS posted my Craigslist article on May 7, 2009 (look under school-of-choice). They were from a previous year however. They, along with up to date information can be found at: www.nystart.gov/ . I have recently started exchanging thoughts on the subject with a writer at a local web publication I found called “The Minority Reporter”. He acted as though he was blown away by the info and may be a big help in the near future. He wanted to do an article on the subject, but needed someone to come forward whose name he could use. With kids in school, that wasn’t going to be me. I also sent the same information to a D&C reporter a while back who brushed the subject off as “mendacious boorishness”. The gentleman at the Minority Reporter was equally interested in that. Anyway, if you are up for it and want help, I’m in!

Hamburg Mother said...

WOW! now thats a lot of MONEY.