Thursday, December 16, 2010

Odyssey Is A Slap In Face To Taxpayers

  
Anonymous said...

I know that I am going to be persecuted here for saying what I'm about to say, but I'll do so and show myself the door. I am the proud parent of two children who presently attend Odyssey. I have been totally pleased with the experience at the school to date and my children are thriving. That said, I admit that the way this school is filled and perhaps even it's existence is a slap in the face to taxpayers as a whole. To be honest, I feel I can admit this now as my children have just about finished their time at the school. Like some others here, I also used to defend the way the Greece went about selecting children there, as well as Pine Brook, yes we got them there years ago as well. Knowing now what I refused to acknowledge then, I was looking out for my family first, pure and simple. I do not necessarily apologize for that either, but denying it would be dishonest. I’ve seen the discussion of the racial make-up of Greece’s different schools here and elsewhere, and it’s more than a valid issue. My son plays an unmentioned sport at Odyssey. Following a game against another Greece school years ago, he actually mentioned that he had no idea so many black people lived in Greece. I was floored, but the statement made me think. Now when I see the statistics about how the schools breakdown, frankly I’m embarrassed I ever defended it. I’m not intending to come across as something I’m not here, but just thought I would share the thoughts. It’s a great school, as was Pine Brook, but I admit it’s that way for a reason. The people who try to praise the school because they have "developed a new system of learning" or "figured out how to reach our kids" are not being honest with themselves, or anyone else. Odyssey has done one thing right above all else in my opinion: It’s gotten rid of the distractive kids for the most part. Those who believe that classroom distractions don’t go hand in hand with the economic demographics or in some cases the racial demographics of a student body have been living under a rock. I also realize that’s really not a credit to the school so much, as it is the system. I see the few writers on this blog who attempt to defend Odyssey and the other lottery schools, and I’m reminded of myself years ago. My advice to them would be to try to get the best for your children, but be cautious in vocalizing your support for what’s in place. With the enrollment in Greece as low as it is today, this method of filling schools is more that obsolete. Just one person’s thoughts.   12/16/2010 9:34 AM

SCATS ~~ Thank you for saying what we already know to be true! Coming from a school-of-choice insider, it makes a huge difference!

  

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

WOW! Talk about a behind the scenes look. At least it seems as though some of them have a heart... after THEY get what THEY want that is! Too little, too late! I enjoy the, "Pine Brook, yes we got them there years ago as well". That just reeks of strings having been pulled.

Anonymous said...

Reality and truth ain't always pretty, is it?.

SCATS said...

To 1:38PM ~~ I applaud this person for stepping up to confirm what we've known all along. It took guts to do so. I hope others will be as brave.

Anonymous said...

Scats, I couldn't agree more! The current board appears to be on their way back to being a pre 2005-06 rubber stamp board. No discussion, no questions, just blind acceptance of the information provided by district administrators and the superintendant. As I recall, Oberg and his allies in HMO came to the board to end that practice. With a great deal of justification they questioned, discussed and sometimes challenged the information being put forth by the officials.

Mr. Oberg's stance on this issue has done a 180 from his past position. He has obviously bought into the Boily, McCabe, Stenglein position that questioning information constitutes micro-management. He knows better. He was elected, as were the others, to represent the interests of all stakeholders in the district.

I have heard he is greatly impressed by Mr. O'Rourke and has complete confidence and trust in his approach to running the district. That's great! But Oberg has chosen to ignore the fact that O'Rourke depends on information supplied to him by staff. These are the same people that were empowered by Walts, Keller-Cogan and Achramovitch, namely Pallas, Mitchell, Hoeft, to name a few. For me, if one of these leftovers told me the sun rises in the east, I wouldn't believe it. Shaking hands with them would require a count of my fingers after the fact. By the way, Deb Hoeft chairs the committee on K-5, open enrollment and schools of choice. So much for something of substance coming from this go-through-the-motions bunch.

Anonymous said...

I wonder which administrator or teacher finally came forward? After all all their kids get to go to Pine Brook and Odyssey.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe that is a school of choice parent. But it is very well written and says what we all have known for so long.
And when someone speaks anonymously ...myself included...it is not"stepping up" or "brave" 2:58. It is just an opinion.
There will be no repercussions against this writer if it was a parent at Odyssey because there is no way of identifying them. So nice opinion ,definitely based on fact, but not very likely an odyssey parent.
Signed by anybody. Doesn't make any difference

SCATS said...

To 4:58PM ~~ If it didn't make any difference, you wouldn't have taken the time to write in and dismiss this person's words and tell us that it makes no difference. Nice try ;)

Anonymous said...

It does not make any difference who says something when they are anonymous. We have no way of knowing if it is a school of choice parent or an opponent posing as a school of choice parent. On this blog the identity of anonymous is not the issue. What the person says is. Someone wanted to inflate the importance of their opinion by saying they had 2 kids at odyssey and now can see the light and let it be told. Nice try scats.

Anonymous said...

People tend to have faith in what they want the truth to be.

The SCATS online community overwhelmingly wants to believe this writer, therefore they put credence in their post.

The fact that posts have degenerated into vilifying the thread's contributors tells me that this is truly a faith based discussion.

SCATS said...

To 11:18PM ~~ It's YOUR opinion that someone "wanted to inflate the importance of their opinion" and the fact is that others don't share your bias or 5:38AM's. FYI, this BLOG has had over 24,000 page views in the past month ... not including my own. The importance of that number is to show that people do read this BLOG whether or not they choose to comment and that's something you can ALL put your faith in ;)

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration rejected posting several comments for reasons of racial content, name-calling and other juvenile outbursts unbecoming to the pro-choice folks.

Anonymous said...

Whether or not the person who wrote the post is or isn't what they say they are, the thoughts included in the post are hard to argue. I've been to Odysssey sporting events and it looks like a Brighton HS, event depending on who there pleying. If the writer here who tells about the number of black kids at different schools is right in their information then something should be done. SCats, do you know if the school lottery school really are that low in students of color. If it;'s true, how can that be allowed?

SCATS said...

To 11:20AM ~~ Yes, it's true that the schools-of-choice do NOT mirror other district schools in terms of diversity or students with special needs. I took a quick look and couldn't locate figures on here, though I know we've addressed this before. I'm sure the school report cards on the nysed.gov site has the info for anyone caring to search through and compile it.

Anonymous said...

Odyssey is definitely underrepresented in terms of minorities. The question is what percentage of the lottery pool is minority vs. the number that were selected.

Complicating things is the sibling rule. That's going to keep the number of minorities down because there may be very few truly available spots each year.

Anonymous said...

Brighton are you kidding me have you been at the 12 corners when school gets out...there is diversity.

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SCATS said...

BLOG Administration edited the previous posting to remove potentially offensive, racial content and then reposted it below.

Several other comments have not been posted at all due to similar issues. C'mon folks. You know better than to lower yourselves this much (I hope!).

Anonymous said...
9:12- If what your saying is correct, isn't it great that Brighton has figured out a way to create a successful school district, which includes a diverse group of students. We sure been able to here. Our biggest pride are our segregated schools. I guess that's just one more reason we should be wishing we were them.

Would it be OK if we started referring to our district as “Lil Alabama”? We sure ain't fixin' to let too many of xxx xxxxxxxx in are good upstandin' schools!

12/18/2010 11:42 AM

Anonymous said...

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS...

So someone help me out - White students in Odyssey seem to do really well, and there are almost no minoritiy students there.

Why do minority students not do as well in the district? If we took all the white students out of Odyssey and replaced them with minority students - would they achieve the same results?

Is Odyssey performing as well as they are because of the teachers and "programs" they use, or is it because of the students that enroll there?

I have seen reports that show that throughout the country, minority students perform below white students. What could be the cause of this?

I'm guessing these are difficult questions to take an honest look at. Anyone care to give it a try?

SCATS said...

To 1:48PM ~~ Methinks you've hit upon one reason why, maybe "the" reason why, the "success" of our schools of choice hasn't been shared with other Greece schools. Ultimately, it's NOT the programs or services. It's the exclusivity of the programs & services. Used with different demographics, it can't be replicated.

Anonymous said...

And because it has little or NOTHING to do with programs and services at these lottery schools, we are paying a million dollars a year some a small percentage of white kids can get a private education at a segregated schhol. In the mean time those left in neighborhood schools get a greater ratio of "diversity" that they never asked for, yet their parents shell out the money to keep this BS going. By the way, I was tickled by the term "enroll" in an earlier post, LOL!

Anonymous said...

So what is to be done to address the minority students that are not performing well - and I realize that it is in part because many do not have any desire to do well?

SCATS said...

To 12:48PM ~~ This is Greece. It sounds like you expect them to have a goal of improvement. Who are you kidding??

Anonymous said...

So what is to be done to address the minority students that are not performing well? Greece has a solution...keep them out of our best performing schools! It's the same solution they came up with for our lower income students. Welcome to Lil' Alabama.

Anonymous said...

I guess we should just segregate the unwashed after all we all know low class minorities are nothing but troublemakers, but it's okay, I am just being honest. Sure it's not the school, it's the system, after all if we could only deny the poor and minorities and education then Greece would be right on top! Fantastic. Oops was that sarcastic?

Everyone has a right to a free and public education.

Anonymous said...

There is some illegal and unethical things going on at Odyssey on the part of the school administration . I also took advantage of that , as my kid attended 6th through 12th . I don't need to put my name on this for it to be true .

SCATS said...

To 7:13AM ~~ I agree with you and can confirm what you say is true. Been there, done it.