Sunday, November 21, 2010

Greece Schools Tagged "Educational Black Hole"

  
Craigslist postings criticize Greece Central
for wasted $$ and poor performance

Post #1:   I was just checking out the latest edition of the Greece Post, page 3A.

1,166 teachers for 12,270 students = 1 teacher for every 10.5 students.
1,392 support staff for 12,270 students = 1 support staff for every 8.8 students.
Seems a bit fat on the teacher/admin. side of the ledger, don't you think.
More wasted money poured into the national scam that is the education system...
Scamming the sheeples, education, politics, religion....not necessarily in any particular order.

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Post #2 (Response) : Take the (sad) facts you mentioned in your post and consider just how low the district performs compared to others in Monroe County, and one could really make the case that NYS should come in and do a complete overhaul on the whole district, ridding it of every single emloyee and volunteer and force us to start over again! Black hole is way to kind. But hey, we'll spend the money to pick your kid up and take him ANYWHERE he wants to go to school in Greece. That is unless he's a minority, then I'm afraid Odyssey, Pinebrook and West Ridge won't be accepting him. The biggest joke of a district in the county hands down!

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SCATS ~~ I guess our 'secret' is out! How much more chump change should we spend to fix troubles money can't buy a solution to?
 

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

I really get tired of some of these postings because many of the people read these postings and don't have all of the information.As a teacher in this district for 30 years I have never had 10 students in a class.What they don't tell you in these articles is that there are many special needs students that are required to be in smaller classes with extra support that are added in to the mix lowering the ratio.I have 5 classes this year and the classes range from 28-32 in a class.Sometimes I wish people who make uneducated comments would come into the schools and walk in my shoes for a day so they see what we deal with.

SCATS said...

To 9:30AM ~~ Your beef should be with the reporter, not the readers. Try contacting the Greece Post, D&C and various TV news depts. and educate them.

Sometimes I wish people in the Greece school unions would walk in my shoes for a day as a taxpayer and parent and see what the true 'cost' of education is to a family in Greece, both emotionally and financially.

Anonymous said...

9;30 Are you saying the figures are wrong? If not, please tell us where the problem is.
By coming into the schools would that make the figures look better?
What information is missing?

Anonymous said...

Of course the figures aren't "wrong." We're just being called too stupid to understand. Interpreted that means you can't criticize anything unless you work in the system, but anyone who does work there won't stand up and point out the problems because they know they have it made!

Anonymous said...

SCATS--As a teacher, parent and home owner in Greece, I have worn many different "hats", especially since I am a teacher who started the profession later in life. I believe what 9:30 is trying to say is that there are many teachers who do not belong to a "specific" class such as ESOL teachers, Special Ed teachers, Speech/Lang, OT/PT, Reading and Math Specialists...the same goes for TAs. I have had SO many parents tell me there is NO WAY they could do my job, and they only see the management part of it. Just my two cents...thanks!

SCATS said...

To 4:27PM ~~ Not only couldn't I do your job, but I chose not to put myself into that position from the gitgo.

Kudos to the minority of Greece teachers who chose to live in the Town of Greece, as well as work in Greece schools! I believe it is best when our public servants invest in the community by living here. Could you perhaps get your union's leadership to do likewise? It would be a big step forward!

Anonymous said...

SCATS, before you get too "kudo-y" toward our Greece teachers who are also residents of the town, remember they get the added perk of a private education through Pine Brook and the Odyssey for THEIR kids. It's nice they choose to live here, but it comes with a bonus or two.

SCATS said...

To 7:40PM ~~ My stance on schools of choice hasn't changed. I just prefer the teachers reside where they work. In my mind, these are separate subjects but I understand the connection you mentioned. That needs to change along with the entire system of "options" offered by Greece schools. Eliminate the options, you save money, stop discriminating and bring equity and possibly even respect back to GCSD.

Anonymous said...

To 7:40
I am a Greece teacher and a lifelong Greece resident, and my children did not "get the added perk" that you snidely and incorrectly referred to. My 4 children are products of Greece schools (not Pine Brook or Odyssey), and all successful adults. Their success is the result of the combined efforts of myself as a parent working together with their teachers over the years. Mutual respect between teachers and parents sets the stage for student success.

Regarding Post #1 from Craig's List:
We are a school system for goodness sake -of course we have teachers! Wouldn't you expect that an architecture firm was a bit on the heavy side with architects or that a police department had a high number of police officers?
As 4:27 tried to explain, it takes many people working together to educate each child. The support personnel and special area teachers are also included in the total teacher count as they all work with children although they probably do not have their own homerooms.

SCATS said...

To 8:23PM ~~ Your remark that "We are a school system for goodness sake -of course we have teachers!" rather deftly misses the underlying point. Our enrollments have dropped by some 2000 students in the last decade, but our teaching staff has barely budged 100 bodies lower than before.

I'm sorry but I entirely disagree with your contention that: " ... it takes many people working together to educate each child." What it takes is one highly motivated individual who is willing to learn, adjust and grow as the child learns, adjusts and grows. How do I know this? Because as a parent, I am my children's first teacher. I taught them to walk, talk, use the potty, recite the alphabet, distinguish colors, count, say please & thank you, tie their shoes, etc. I did it with the help of a similarly motivated spouse. It's not rocket science, doesn't require a Masters Degree, a contract or tenure.

Anonymous said...

8:23 you failed to mention that you must not have applied to the lottery schools.

Anonymous said...

I am the 4:27 poster who DID put my younger child on the "lottery list" and did NOT win...and amazingly enough, she turned out just fine as did her older sibling.

SCATS said...

To 6:21AM ~~ Obviously, your children benefitted from having an actual teacher as a parent. Being an insider to how GCSD runs things is a bonus, not to mention the fact I've yet to see or hear of a district employee's kid ever get into real trouble ... not even when they were arrested during school hours. I'm not suggesting that your kids were trouble-makers, but you've got to admit that the ones that do seem to have teflon when mom or dad works for the district.

Anonymous said...

SCATS you're so funny. You taught your kid colors... how cute!!! LOL...

SCATS said...

To 4:17PM ~~ Yeah, it was a tough row to hoe but I persevered ;)