Friday, October 29, 2010

"Chump Change" Remark Haunts Oberg

  
$50,000 is not 'chump change'

Is anyone in the Greece Central School District upset by a comment made by the school board president regarding the new superintendent's possible pay in the Oct. 24 story "$250K for superintendent?"? Since when is a $50,000 increase in salary "chump change"?

How many teachers, aides, and support staff would like to make that kind of "chump change"? Must be that anyone in the district making that or less is just a chump.

—BILL HEINRICH (Letter To Editor)

SCATS ~~ Yes, I'm upset!! $50,000, or even $30,000, isn't "chump change" in MY household! Must be nice to live on your cushy retirement, Mr. Oberg!    
  

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Frank Oberg owes the Greece community an apology for his insensitive 'chump change' reference! There are so many things that 'chump change' amount could buy - things that Oberg and his board of 8 other bandits have eliminated from the budget - not the least of which was the cost of holding a second vote last May!

It seems like getting elected to the Greece school board changes people into arrogant mouthpieces for the elite few. I'm very disappointed in you, Frank!

SCATS said...

To 8:45AM ~~ Let's face it. Whenever a school board member uses the 'chump change' concept to justify an expenditure, it's because they have no other defense for throwing that money away. This is true no matter how they state the idea, i.e. "Out of a budget of $X, it's merely a fraction of 1%." This drivel changes the focus from WHY they are spending the money at all to spotlight the 'small' amount wasted.

Anonymous said...

This remark will not haunt Frank for even a minute! He is serious in his assement of that cost figure. Any outrage at his comment will make no differece to the decision they eventually make. Sad but true!

SCATS said...

To 9:53AM ~~ By "haunt" I meant that it will become his legacy from the years he serves on the BOE.

Anonymous said...

He is the chump, he sold out his word is worthless. All the talk about making deep cuts? The chump change is equal to that of the pre k bussing. Hmm yet the cost for the SUPR. is NEEDED? We are screwed in this district and this state.

SCATS said...

To 11:50AM ~~ I agree with every word you wrote.

Anonymous said...

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

We will get fooled again -- apparently.
As we no doubt will on Tuesday

Charlie Hubbard said...

8:45 - thank you for including the cost of the second vote. It was hypocracy then and it's hypocracy now.
I am more concerned about the lack of a second vote violating our democracy - being done by those we intrust with educating our kids. That includes any and all administrators who think the communities 'vote' means nothing.

Anonymous said...

Charlie,

Democracy isn't being violated. The board members were elected. They weren't appointed by a czar.

You may not agree with their decision, but it was within their rights to make it.

I don't agree with most of the decisions they have made in recent years either, but let's avoid using language that is inflammatory at best.

By the way, I'm fairly certain 'intrust' isn't a word.

-L

Anonymous said...

SCATS....oh how you eat your young....

Remember those fond days of HMO?

SCATS said...

To 7:11PM ~~ When I receive comments such as yours, I ponder what their purpose is. You talk back to Charlie's points in an apparent effort to dismiss them/him, but without revealing anything substantial about your stance. While the board members may have been acting within the law technically speaking, it doesn't lessen the feeling that the vote was disrespected and democracy ignored. Just because you don't see things the same way as Charlie and others do doesn't mean their opinions/views are less valuable than yours ~ in fact, I'd say they are more valuable since you failed to give us any insight ;)

SCATS said...

To 7:18PM ~~ This isn't about me eating my young. This is about an elected official who has clearly lost his way!

Anonymous said...

The law is the insight. People voted - as dictated by law, and and board acted in a lawful manner. Done.

SCATS said...

To 7:31PM ~~ The law does NOT dictate that people vote! The law also does not dictate whether or not the community can complain about how our electeds act. The law doesn't say one must vote, be registered to vote, etc. to complain either. If you don't agree with someone's view, then I suggest you make a case for why you disagree. You've done nothing to convince anyone of anything different ;)

Anonymous said...

Ummmm, SCATS, in a Representative Democracy leaders are elected by voting.

Is voting dictated by law: no.

Is it a responsibility of a citizen: yes.

Does that mean that we can take issue with the decisions of our officials: Of course (otherwise why read this BLOG).

Are we allowed to complain that 'Democracy has been violated' if our elected leaders make a decision counter to our beliefs: Sure

Does that make any sense: Nope, because we elected those that made those decisions.

We chose our Board. Now we have to live with the consequences until the next election.

That's Democracy. Deal with it.

Hopefully this gives you some insight.

-L

Anonymous said...

Clearly there can be actions that while they conform to the letter of the law viloate its spirit.
The budget vote is a good example.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 7:11 (anonymous)
I admit sometimes I get a little emotional about the thought of passing on 'less' democracy to our kids than 'we' have been blessed with.
I get even more emotional with elected officials at any level of government not being respectfull of the express wishes (in this case a vote) of their constituents.
Unfortunatly we do not have laws that cover common sence and decency.
In this case the leader of the board refers to an amount of money as 'chump change' - I will assume with the knowledge of the rest of the board. Yet in June an amount far less was used as a reason NOT to give the community a vote on a revised budget chosing instead to 'legaly' ram a tax increase down the throut of the very people they are supposed to represent.

You 7:11 want to set this type of example for our kids - go for it. I think we should be shooting for a higher road - that road being honesty, integrety, and straight (honest) talk. And yes a 'full time' belief in the preservation of DEMOCRACY.

SCATS said...

To 8:48PM ~~ You talk about the responsibility of a citizen, but neglect to mention the responsibility of our electeds to REPRESENT US! Those elected to office can be removed. More insight ;)

Anonymous said...

to 8:48 pm.

What is a "representative democracy" mean? As far as I know there is no such thing. Democracy is an ideology. We have a Republican Government. This is one step away from Fascism, which is the furthest right on the "political science" scale.

FYI...Obama preaches Socialism which is left. Socialism is one step away from Communism.

Just a "School lesson" for those who are less informed.

Anonymous said...

It's also democracy to hope that Oberg quits. Exerting pressure surely can't hurt.

Anonymous said...

To 11:10

Looks like you fell asleep in class so I'll fill you in:

Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people. I'll assume you wanted to know what "does" representative democracy mean.

Direct democracy is a form of democracy in which sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. An example of this would be ancient Athens.

Since we can't fit a few hundred million citizens in a chamber the only feasible route is through representative democracy. Referendums are an opportunity for the public to vote on legislation, but for the most part we have to rely on those we choose to put in power. If we don't agree with the decisions of our representatives they can be voted out.

As to the 'fascist', 'socialist', and 'communist' comments: stop hyperventilating and get some perspective. Having a panic attack doesn't equate to solutions.

-L

SCATS said...

To 6:57AM ~~ There's a comma missing in one of your sentences. You get no recess today.

Anonymous said...

In response to Scats at 8:41,

I'll refer to your earlier post:

"When I receive comments such as yours, I ponder what their purpose is. You talk back to Charlie's points in an apparent effort to dismiss them/him, but without revealing anything substantial about your stance."

Surely you aren't trying to dismiss someone else's comment for a grammar mistake (which I can't see, by the way).

Oh, that's right, you have no counter-argument to their posting.

SCATS said...

To 9:30AM ~~ I don't need to post a counter-argument, especially since not all of my previous arguments have been addressed ;)

When someone else uses the grammar/spelling/punctuation argument to try to distract from another person's comments, they best be perfectly written postings ;)

Anonymous said...

Hey Frank- Your gross negligence and depraved
indifference to the voting public will cost
the students of this district dearly.
Do you smell that, Frank? That is the
smell of any chances of a budget being passed
going up in flames. If you knew of half the 3rd floor lies
that you have bought into hook, line and sinker
you would have quit the BOE long ago.

Anonymous said...

It is such a shame we have yet another school board who thinks the key to success is more spending.
The only way to get a new superintendant is to offer more money.
This is yet another case of politicians thinking they know best rather than the professionals.

I watched Elliot Spitzer interview Michelle Rhee the successfull leader of the Washington D.C. schools who is being ousted by the politicians and teachers union.
Spitzer wanted the audience to think he knew about education and brought up about class size and how important smaller class size was. Spitzer soon had his backside handed to him as Ms. Rhee made it very clear class size has nothing to do with education quality, "accountability" does.

The point is some thinking out of the box is in order not just more spending.