Monday, September 20, 2010

Randomness of Lottery School Poverty Levels Questioned

  
Anonymous said...

Very telling that Greece's two most under-subscribed (i.e. emptiest) schools have the highest percentages of impoverished students (Parkland & Brookside*) while Greece's three most over-subscribed schools (all three are schools of choice with lengthy wait lists) have the least number of impoverished students (Odyssey, West Ridge & Pinebrook*) as a percentage of their enrollment. If I were a Vegas gambler (which I'm not), I'd say the odds of that happening without some inside help are nil!     9/20/2010 10:09 AM

* School names added by SCATS for clarity. Comment refers to numbers of students receiving free/reduced lunches in GCSD.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

I know Pinebrook also has the highest test scores. But, I don't think Parkland/Brookside are at the bottom when it comes to this. Correct me if I am wrong. I am just wondering if there is a direct reflection of the economic make up on the test scores.

SCATS said...

To 4:14PM ~~ The free/reduced lunch numbers have repeatedly been mentioned in the board room whenever things go awry academically. Have they shown us that specifically by school? I'm not sure they ever have. I suppose anyone could look up the numbers on the NYSED website to tally it up and see how things fall. It makes sense that socio-economics makes SOME impact, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse for a school not performing year after year. At that point, we become no better than the city.

Anonymous said...

If Odyssey didn't have kids that could afford IB and AP test fees.Odyssey wouldn't be in the "top 100". Interesting isn't it ? Whats up Doc ?

SCATS said...

To 9:06PM ~~ You make an EXCELLENT point!!

Anonymous said...

Parents from a higher socioeconomic base have been shown to place a higher value on education. They tend to care enough to place their students on the lists for these schools of choice. Just the facts. That also has an a lot to do with the lower test scores from schools with students from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds.

Show me a parent invested in their childs education and I'll show you a high performing student.

SCATS said...

To 5:21PM ~~ Re: "Parents from a higher socioeconomic base have been shown to place a higher value on education."

REALLY!? Maybe the fact the wealthier folks don't have to worry about keeping a roof over their heads, food on the table and clothes on their backs doesn't divert their attention away from education and onto life's more BASIC NEEDS ;)

Anonymous said...

People from higher socio-economic backgrounds are not exempt from chromosome and other genetic problems that can cause lower performance. And those same parents can value education. The problem with those schools of choice is that the parents with more money can bribe officials more efficiently and get elected to the board and change their mind about their platform after they get elected. Then the children get into the school of choice because they are kissing the administration.It is so easy to give those spots to outspoken parents , wealthy, teachers, board members etc because the process of the lottery is completely behind closed doors. We do not have the policy that shows the criteria for accepting a child based on a sibling. Is there any attempt to make sure the students are from a wide variety of races and intellect? It would seem that to gain entry, 88% of the pinebrook children must not be qualified for the free and reduced lunch program.

SCATS said...

To 7:38PM ~~ Are you suggesting that the squeeky wheels get Greece'd?

Anonymous said...

Unless you have some proof of bribary taking place - you may as well be an alien abduction believer.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!

SCATS said...

To 8:46PM ~~ The proof is that all BOE members, administrators & teacher's children who apply get accepted. Of course, we're sure it's not just "the luck of the draw."

Anonymous said...

need to check your facts on that one scats. I know of teachers and board members that have kids that did not get into the schools of choice. These kids are currently in the greece system. I did hear of corruption during Walts era but not recently.

SCATS said...

To 5PM ~~ Fine, we'll start by checking with you. Please name the BOE member/s who attempted to win the school-of-choice lottery for their kids, but were left out in the cold.

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to a news article about a way to see where different races live in and about different cities. it is from the UK and it is a private project but it seems like it would be the way things are in rochester and the surrounding area.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html

When you read the article you can see that we could call the schools of choice in greece the "Pink schools". Dare we call it segregation when the richest are in such great abundance at those schools where the students are chosen by a secret lottery?

SCATS said...

To 2:24PM ~~ I saw a map of that for the Rochester area (Monroe County, I think) on Facebook last week. It was interesting to see how the city's borders were becoming well blended with the suburbs surrounding it. Other than that, there was nothing terribly remarkable or unexpected about Greece on the map.

SCATS said...

I finally found the link for the local map for that. Here it is:

http://www.13wham.com/content/blogs/story/Map-of-Ourselves/CGkTPdlN4kSI-1_Q1VQlGA.cspx