Friday, September 10, 2010

If Our BOE Was REALLY Worried About Student Safety ...


Would they post the pricey school resource officers in hallways that are fire hazards (unsafe)??
 Opening Day Video Shows Unsafe Hallways!  

Anonymous said...

Umm, what's all the green crap draped across the hall ceilings?
(Refers to the scene in the video on the BLOG titled "School Opening Debacles ...")

We've blown millions for fire safety, and I bet none of that is fire safe.

WHERE was School Safety?

How was this allowed to happen?

Billy don't forget to stick this fire extinguisher in your school backpack. Lance remember throw a chair through the window and exit directly onto the lawn in case of fire. The halls are not a safe evacuation route!   9/10/2010 1:51 PM

SCATS ~~ Good catch to our reader! In fact, I bet NONE of the paper or other decorations lining the walls was fireproof either!

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Holy fake controversy Batman!

Guess you didn't have teachers marching to criticize this year so you had to find something ;)

SCATS said...

To 4:43PM ~~ Fake controversy? Haven't you heard? We're very concerned about student safety in this district! So concerned we had to add back into the budget safety stuff the former Supt. said we could live without. And it got added back without anyone of authority in the high schools asking for it, too.

When Johnny catches on fire running down a hallway emblazoned with extraneous combustibles that are clearly against fire code, we'll have the parents sue you directly.

Anonymous said...

SCATS

At Christmas time this is a BIG DEAL with decorations. One year my Art teacher Max Robertson put up red/green paper chains in the halls. Someone told the fire marshall and the s___ hit the fan.
He came in the next am to fine all the chains and student art work pulled down and thrown out.

All schools know NOTHING flamable goes up in the halls.

Enjoy

Doug

Anonymous said...

Doug, Those streamers in the video were hanging below the height of most of the students. If there was a fire and that is the escape route it should not be obstructed. And how do you know they are not flammable. And all the motivational posters are against the fire code. They are not following the code but the firemen will do nothing.They are on call to provide rides to their fellows in uniform when they are out too late on the expressway.

Anonymous said...

Streamers were made out of plastic not paper so I doubt they were flammable.

Anonymous said...

Uh guess no one has been in elementary hall for years. There is art work, papers, and more on display in the halls. Hanging from the tack strip that were installed just for this.

Kids are in school, it is not an emergency room and should not be treated as a sterile environment because something bad might happen.

SCATS said...

To 6:48AM ~~ Would you like your kid exposed to melted plastic on their skin? It's as bad if not worse.

To 10:19AM ~~ You're right. Following the law is for dummies, especially fire codes. We should let them drink, smoke do drugs in the cafeteria and learn how to make crystal meth in chem lab too.

Anonymous said...

To 10:19....we here so much about low parental
involvement in schools. I doubt you have
ever witnessed a mass-casualty incident
at a school, much less talkEd to a 1st responder
who has, but if you ever do
you'll learn a new meaning of parental involvement.

Anonymous said...

12:13 you were responding to me...the amount of paper period in the schools is a TON the material in the schools themselves are fire hazards shoudl any fire arise PERIOD.. I do not live in fear that hanging of art work is going to be a make it or break it situation for the responders. I have kids in school and if it is against the code then it should be removed, however if so why are there cork board strips that have been newly installed for such art work? Perhaps the fire marshall is not inspecting AND the GCSD is not following code.

If it is a RULE/LAW i support it. If it is not and it is fear driving the no hanging of art work and papers then I choose not have fear rule me.

Anonymous said...

to 2:56PM - I've spent a number of years volunteering in Greece schools. I've been there when the fire inspections were done. Guess what happens? First, the inspections are scheduled ahead. Everyone knows the day it will happen. Lots of prep work is done to minimize violations. Some items I've personally witnessed include removing books, projects and other materials from areas that obstruct access to the escape windows; putting away an electric pencil sharpener that plugs in next to a classroom sink because the outlet is not GFI AND because some idiot put an outlet so near water the pencil sharpener could fall in, get splashed, etc. ; removal of trash cans and other obstacles from all hallways; removal of obstructions in front of emergency exits; removal of artwork, posters and other flammables from hallways ... the list goes on and on and on. If that isn't bad enough, as soon as the inspectors leave with their list of remaining infractions (using a penny in place of a fuse, flammables left too close to heat sources, etc), the crap removed to impress the inspectore goes right back to where it was before they got there.

Thank God Buckman Heights School burned at night when no one was in the building. I know for a fact there's a very serious potential for a fire in a Greece school during classes that will cause some serious casualties. It's a crapshoot waiting to happen.

Anonymous said...

Haven't I seen Sean McCabe performing
fire inspections? Is he aware of this???

Anonymous said...

Doesn't Sean McCabe perform
fire inspections for GCSD?
Is he aware of this???

Anonymous said...

Adding to 3:32pm's points, how many parents are aware that fire inspections are done on a rotating basis so it could be a few years with no inspections done when school is in session. SCARY THOUGHT!

Anonymous said...

To "uh" at 10:19 That cork strip is the only place where anything can be placed. The principal and teachers know the restrictions for material and size.
To 6:48 And consider the melting plastic ( I doubt the streamers were retro-technology from roswell so are not impervious to heat) burning or blinding the students as they are attempting to evacuate the Olympia building. Hair and skin are flammable when they touch a hot melting surface.
The streamers are some crazy welcome idea that is not up to code.

Anonymous said...

Well now, lets just walk slowly along here, and see if we can establish a way to make the firetrap schools safer. We won't even bother looking at the hazard of building collapse, that's a seperate subject.

Greece taxpayers spend boatloads of money on Fire Tax to support Barnard, Ridge Road, Lake Shore, & North Greece Fire Taxing Districts.
Pretty much every one of those taxing entities do fire inspections and walkthrus to acquaint themselves with the interior of the building.

Since many of the people doing the walking are Union Civil Servants, they are surely qualified to inspect and issue citations. I know North Greece regularly issues citations to businesses in their District. Hell NO, that can't be done because NY Education Law exempts schools from being inspected by Fire Departments and specifies who must inspect the school for some extra taxpayer money. Lets get freekin real here.

Beckie fell over backwards trying to climb on the bus with her backpack full of equipment she needs to self extract from a GCSD building. Thor got hauled off to the office for carrying his personal Haligan tool, they claimed it was a weapon. Thor's even a Fire Explorer, where do these Diplomated Dimwits get their beleif they can run a school?

Students have a right to at least a safe building to waste time in day after day, because they dam sure ain't learning! Parents have a right to free coffee too, but that's a different post.

Anonymous said...

Buckman, was SET on fire. Other than that and a few electrical items that smelled like they were burning...when was the last fire in a Greece school... and if there was one was in not contained to the original point/...anyone?

SCATS said...

To 8:52AM ~~ A Malitov cocktail (or two?) was thrown through a window, as I recall.

From my recollection, students have set fire to trashcans in many school lavatories over the years, especially in the middle schools. Be prepared is the BEST POLICY, no?

Anonymous said...

8:52 AM You should re-read the title of
this thread, which is school safety.
School safety to me includes working
to mitigate
and prevent the possibilty of ANY potential
threat to students, staff, and visitors
within the buildings. This is not just limited
to fires, as we all know.

Complacency has been identified as an
reality on this thread. When it comes
to maintaining and upholding safe schools,
complacency is a very real threat.

SCATS said...

For all interested parties: This year's Fire Safety Report Inspection Report to the BOE is available for your reading pleasure. The Supt's letter at the beginning mentions the laws that apply to this annual inspection.

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr. Skeet,
Just curious. When you were Principal at ARMS (or any other Greece school for that matter) what actions did YOU take to make sure there were no flammable materials hung in hallways. Let me save you some work - NONE. I was in your schools...and they looked exactly like the ones on the video (except for the draperies). YOU allowed things to be hung up in schools so don't behave as though you are the almighty authority on THIS topic, too. You are such a hypocritical individual it's almost comical to those of us who really know you.

P.S. It's evident in your own posting that you weren't "policing" the safety in your school. If your art teacher hung things up, it was done with your knowledge and permission. No one should have HAD to call the fire marshall. YOU should have taken care of it well before it got to that point. But, I digress.

SCATS said...

To 11:48AM ~~ I sincerely doubt the art teacher at any school has EVER informed the principal that they were hanging artwork in the hallways. It sounds like Mr. Skeet caused you to have a personal ax to grind. Were you called into his office a lot?

Anonymous said...

11:48 I believe the incident to which
Mr.Skeet was referring transpired
long after Mr.Skeet retired. Thus, your
claim that the incident happened on
Skeet's watch is erroneous.

Anonymous said...

Read again 2:45 - he's talking about HIS art teacher when HE was principal. And, no, I wasn't "called into his office a lot" 2:25 - you're assuming I was his subordinate. I wasn't. :)
Chew on that for awhile. My axe to grind with him is KNOWING him, WELL, professionally and his "say one thing do another" mentality that he's apparently adopted of late.

SCATS said...

To 10:46AM ~~ I find your desire to attempt to hold someone accountable many years after that person's retirement laughable. If it was such a big deal, why didn't you step up when the incident happened? Let me guess, no backbone?

Anonymous said...

Don't bother Scats. Things must be pretty slow down in Virgina for them to have time to spew (11:48 and 10:46) that kind of bitterness.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't care less if he's accountable at this point or not. What I do care about is his apparent penchant for portraying to the community that he was so much better/competent/professional than the current adminsitration in GCSD. It just ain't so, SCATS, but he's apparently got you snowed.

SCATS said...

To 6:13PM ~~ I haven't been snowed. One thing Mr. Skeet has on his side of any argument is the fact that GCSD's overall performance was better when he worked for the district. Of course, many others worked here then, too ... people who have long since departed.

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the confusion. I identified Max Robertson as "My Art Teacher" because we worked together in various Greece Schools for over 25 years. The incident of his Christmas paper chains and student art work thrown out was a fairly recent incident at ARMS long after I had retired. No where did I say the Max incident took place when when we were working together.

My comment about fire marshalls and schools knowing about flamable materials in the halls as a big deal is TRUE. I said NOTHING about myself enforcing or not enforcing the fire marshall rules.

Each of my statements are true statements. No where in my statements did I imply or say what I did in my building when I was principal.

I did allow: papers on bulletin boards, student art work be displayed on the walls, in the halls, posters for various school events, Christmas decorations, Christmas trees, displays in the lobby, clothing collections for the poor, student pictures for various school events, student recognizations notices taped to the hall walls, etc.

I ALLOWED ALL OF THE ABOVE KNOWING FULL WELL IT WAS TECHNICALLY AGAINST THE FIRE MARSHALL RULES. The truth be known most fire inspectors were/are very reasonable people that will work and cooperte with you. They understood the importnace of displaying student work and would look the other way in their inspections. There were only two fire inspectors that were SOB's. They were housed out of Greece Ridge Fire Station and were power hungry, ego nuts and threw their weight around.

Why would I allow flamables in the halls? Each of the above items are important to positive student behavior and a positive school climate. Student recognization reinforces positive student behavior. I NEVER allowed excessive amounts of flamable material in the halls. Think of walking into a school and seeing nothing on the walls? It would be a dead school.

Materials where always neat, clean and appropriate. There was NEVER piles of paper or dozens of boxes of clothing in the lobby.

If inspected at this time or anytime, I would work with the fire inspectors and we would find middle ground. What I would NEVER have done is to order my custodian to take student art work or decorations down at night and throw them out as was done with Max a couple of years ago.

Please note I also said we had Christmas decorations and Christmas trees. I also allowed staff members to wear their Christian Cross, Jewish Star of David and the Celebration of Kwanzaa. I always tried to have an inclusive school not a exclusive school. All individuals, all cultures and all religions attend the public schools and should be studied and recognized as long as no student is forced to participate in a religious ceremony outside of their religion.

This was at a time when schools went NUTS with NO religious symbols in schools under the idea of separation of church and state. That idea is so misunderstood.

It would be wrong and against the idea of separation of church and state if for example I got on the PA and had everyone participate in a Christian prayer. There could and where students of other religions in school and to have a Jewish student be forced to say a Christian prayer would be wrong. When the Challenger exploded I did get on the PA and had the entire school have a monent of silence out of respect for the death of all the astronauts and teacher that had just been killed in the explosion. That was legal. It is also legal to have a Bible study group after school and to have students pray at the flag pole before and after school.

My point is that leadership means taking a caluated risk. Pushing the envelope at times. Doing what you think is best for your students and staff. It is IMPOSSIBLE to run a school and implement every School District, Town, County, State and Federal policy or law.

Very early I learned it is ten times easilier to seek forgiveness than to acquire permission.

Enjoy

Doug

SCATS said...

Doug ~~ I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. When it comes to laws regarding Health & Safety, I don't think there should be any wiggle room personally. If the laws are silly, work to get them changed. I would think our firefighters would be involved in that kind of activity, but this is Greece ... sigh.

Anonymous said...

SCATS

Fair enough. I understand what you are saying about health and safety but walk into any school tomorrow and you will find flamable materials posted in the halls. There will be posters, student work and materials on bulletin boards. All are against fire marshall rules and policies. It is a caluated risk on the part of the school.

Have you ever driven at 60 mph in a 55 mph zone? You have put your health and safety, along with other at risk. It is a caluated risk on your part.

Enjoy

Doug

SCATS said...

Doug ~~ I should have specified health & safety related to the operations of the schools. I might go a little over the limit in my car, but I sure as heck wouldn't if I was driving a bus with 40 students inside ;)

Anonymous said...

Doug at 10:54. But the speeding is a personal risk and if you cause an accident they will ticket you and you will probably be sued. It is a personal satisfaction to speed. To get there on time and to enjoy the ride. Most speeders are going 15 to 20 miles above the limit. The rest of us that don't get caught (we hope) are going 60 on the expressway or risk the ire of the rest of the drivers.
The children in the school are not the ones that make the decision to attend school. It is compulsory. They are not the ones that decide how to decorate and design the school. That is the right of the teachers and principal. But the children run the "calculated risk" of being burned in a building on fire if the exits are full of flammable and unnecessary material and obstacles in front of exit windows. So don't be blase about those of us that choose to go 60 miles per hour and compare it to public employees that must follow the safety requirements to keep the building that houses our children up to code. Those kids were under your complete control and I am surprised at your "let's- see-what-we-can-get-away" with attitude.
If the people running the schools now are indeed scofflaws when it comes to fire safety we should be calling for a complete investigation. Do you condone their behavior and was that what you did as a principal?