Saturday, September 18, 2010

Free & Reduced Lunch Numbers Climbing Fast

  
Greece's Schools-of-Choice Have Lowest Numbers Overall

% Free & Reduced Lunches By School (Total)

Brookside 63
Parkland 62
Apollo 62
Longridge 60
Lakeshore 57
English Village 53
Buckman Hts 47
Olympia HS 47
Holmes Rd. 45
Arcadia MS 45
Autumn Ln 42
Craig Hill 39
Arcadia HS 31
Athena MS 30
Kirk Rd. 27
Athena HS 25
Paddy Hill 24
West Ridge 24
Odyssey Academy 17
Pine Brook 12

SCATS ~~ What a surprise! Our three "schools-of-choice" are all at the bottom of the list ;) Nothing unusual to see here at all!
  

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

I bet there are many more families in economic distress then we realize in Greece or that the local yokels are willing to admit.

Anonymous said...

we really are 3 different school districts, arcadia/athena feeder, olympia feeder and the schools of choice artificial feeder which strangely has more rich people.

SCATS said...

Lifestyles of the rich ... and "strange" ? ;)

Anonymous said...

One goal for this BOE this year: Put this SOC back in the drawer!

Time to put Schools of Choice out to pasture.

Sadly, Schools of Disproportionate Resources is a much more appropriate designation today.

Anonymous said...

And... I believe the two schools at the top of the list are the smallest or pretty close in the district.

Anonymous said...

so how do you see the demographics of these three streams

Anonymous said...

Also no surprise is the fact that Greece Central has now become an urban culture school district.
The consequential fallout from these numbers is the problem they reflect in student learning and safety. They also show the changing face of the Town of Greece as well.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it intersting that when I presented similar statistics (different year, but same idea) to our favorite D&C reporter a year ago, she refered to it as "mendacious boorishness"? No surprise either that those same schools at the bottom of SCATS list, also have the lowest percentage of minority students. Ya gotta love that "lottery"! Welcome to Greece, were we REALLY value diversity, just not it schools that the BOE & GCSD staff's kids attend. Hey, and it's ownly costing us a million (plus) dollars a year!

Anonymous said...

looks like those three schools are saving taxpayers a boatload of money!

SCATS said...

To 11:21AM ~~ Quite the opposite! Those kids would be dispersed to other schools, if they weren't "lucky lottery winners." To bus them to their private settings is costing us several boatloads of $$ ;)

Anonymous said...

Maybe you draw the wrong conclusion.

Perhaps the parents most likely to recognize the value of a k-5 structure(PB, WR), or a more focused attention on academics(Odyssey) are parents who themselves are more willing to take the time to be involved and invested in their child's schooling.

Instead you claim grand conspiracy within the district which picks only the wealthiest of families for Schools of Choice.

SCATS said...

To 12:11PM ~~ First of all, 11:21AM failed to support their contention with anything - no figures, no statements of fact, nothing at all. Secondly, maybe YOUR conclusions are erroneous. Maybe the reason a K-5 and 6-12 structure is so popular is that the wealthier the family, the lazier the parents. Maybe they don't want to be "inconvenienced" by running to multiple schools ;)

Re: "the parents most likely to recognize the value of a k-5 structure ..."

Most who make such references are completely ignoring the plight of the HUNDREDS of parents stuck on interminable waiting lists each year while they help foot the bill for the "chosen" few ;)

Anonymous said...

To 12:11 PM. When is the last time
you attended a school function to the east
of Mount Read Boulevard? Do you reside
in Greece? Two Saturdays ago I counted
at least 15 squad cars off one of the apt
complexes off Britton, responding to
who knows what. That same afternoon
there was media coverage of some standoff
near Ling Road. believe me, the areas
bordering Charlotte are a world away from
PB and Odyssey. The SOC format for this
district is replete with mediocre results for
the majority of schools. How many teachers
could be retained with the gas $$$ being
spent on budding a small number of students
here, there and everywhere?

Anonymous said...

Only Brookside and Parland residents should be permitted
entrance to Pinebrook until a balance is achieved.

Anonymous said...

So where are all you figures, Scats?

Reduced or free lunches %? What does that mean?
How did they get that way? Did the BOE check my income level when my kid was selected in the lottery?

Conspiracy theories are great. Your problem is you have no facts to back your theory up, and pontificate when someone else does not use what you call "facts"

SCATS said...

To 2:44PM ~~ It is fact that GCSD spends about $1 million extra to support the school-of-choice/open enrollment configuartion in transportation costs alone. A study was done by the district that substantiates this statement.

It is also fact that the lottery is done in total secrecy. There is no transparency about the lottery, the waiting lists, the numbers of applicants or any other aspect of how people get "chosen" for these schools. Why are those things all kept behind closed doors if there's nothing to hide? It's been that way for 20 years, why?

Anonymous said...

Scats,
I would encourage you to read the transportation study(done by the "consultants" you continuously disparage).
There are many factors which influence transportation cost for our district. Schools of Choice, Open Enrolllment, and the transportation of children to babysitters outside of their home school area.
Added cost for Schools of Choice alone was never calculated. In fact, the report seemed to show that filies who choose the have their children bussed to a babysitter outside of their home school are was at least ashby to blame for high transportation costs.
The "study" also did not consider what the costs would have been with a strict "home school" design.
I believe that that transportation study was a colossal waste of resource which produced no useable results.

I also think you do your readers a disservice by constantly referring to a $1,000,000 savings that might never be realized.

As for the lottery being done in "secrecy". I agree. It should be held in public. That might keep conspiracy theorists at bay.

Anonymous said...

To 1:52pm
For your information, we live east of Mt Read. As do a number of my son's classmates.

I would ask you to imaging how many fewer teachers would be employed and how large class sizes would be if a school or two were closed.

SCATS said...

To 5PM ~~ I have read the study. I've even discussed the results with a couple of board members. Let's face it, the babysitter issue is just the latest distraction from dealing with the school-of-choice issue. Schools-of-choice have divided this community! They have made strangers of neighbors due to the fact we're bussing kids all over town from the same neighborhood. They've polarized residents due to the "have vs have not" mentality the lottery winners love to perpetuate.

The added cost of busing to schools-of-choice CAN be calculated from the study results. The issue is that no one wants to do the right thing by the taxpayers of this town and abolish a model that has outlived the situation it was designed to resolve - changing boundaries.

a $1 million savings could easily be realized. WE NEED TO CLOSE 2-3 SCHOOLS ASAP! Our enrollment is down by 2000 students, yet we see no "savings" from the reduction!

As for the rest of your comments, I think I need an interpreter!.

SCATS said...

Oh, and on the issue of conspiracies, please show me any other schools in the Greece school district that are as heavily laden with politicians and district employees kids as are the schools-of-the-chosen. I double-dog-dare-ya ;)

SCATS said...

To 5:12PM ~~ Due to the way classes are assembled within each school building, based upon specific attendence numbers, you can not know with any certainty that class sizes will be up significantly, if at all ... unless you are clairvoyant ;)

Anonymous said...

Anyone who has the backbone to support the "lottery" school system surly can explain how it's existence benefits ALL the district's children educationally, right? That is what our school taxes are meant for, isn't it? I believe it was our former Superintendent the stated (behind closed doors) that he couldn't show a benefit to the system. I look forward to hear what the benefits are from the staunch supporter(s) here.

Anonymous said...

Scats,
I too have read the transportation report and spoken to many folks, including current and former BOE members.

Since you are such a champion of "facts" and "proof", I ask that you point to the specific portion of the transportation repot which shows a savings of $1,000,000 from ending schools of choice?

You lament any increase in class size, yet you must be "clairvoyant" to know that class size would not be affected by closure of any number of schools.

SCATS said...

To 7:22PM ~~ I would glady do so, however, I used my copy to line the litter box a few weeks after it came out. It seemed like a good use for a tree who gave its life in vain ... for a cause that has no official support.

By the way, you still haven't responded to my challenge or questions, a typical diversion tactic in this town ;)

Anonymous said...

Scats

It is shocking to see the Free & Reduced Lunch data and to see the ranking you have posted.

It is clear beyond discussion that a "Fix" is alive and well with the choice of students in the SOC program. It is just another "crime" to add to our list of Greece Central crimes against the student. This is proof of what many parents and staff have been saying for years.

At least one, if not two, elementary schools could be closed with all of the related savings estimated to be approximately $500,000 a year per school.

Class sizes, in the remaining elementary schools, would NOT increase because of the GTA contract. I say that positively. The students and teachers would just move into the under capacity elementary neighorhood schools

Keep up the good work SCATS!!!!

Enjoy

Doug

Anonymous said...

Challenge? Since I am not a politician, don't know any nor any district employees children who attend schools of choice, I will take your word for it. And publicly state that if any class of folks receives advantage in the lottery process, then it should be fixed.

The folks I know who attend schools of choice are much like my family. Average income, hard working, family centric people who want the best for our kids

As for the unanswered questions, I can't find any? I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have.

Perhaps you misdirect you accusation of diversion?

Anonymous said...

7:22, Let's say the cost is... say... a nickel. That's right, say transportation related to school of choice/lottery schools costs $.05 a year. Now explain how that expense is worthwhile as it relates to educating ALL of our district's students.

Anonymous said...

If I heard correctly at the last board meeting the school of choice issue has gone to yet another committee thereby virtualy guaranteeing nothing being done for at least another year.

SCATS said...

To Doug ~~ Thank you!

Is that $500,000 per closed elementary school savings inclusive of transportation costs, or not?

To 8:40PM ~~ I believe the potential to do anything substantive about schools of choice was lost the night our school board voted to pay for a 3 yr. lease on West Ridge space for the Family Center. Its existence virtually guarantees GCSD won't vacate any of their space in that building, thanks to Roger Boily & Patrick Tydings.

Anonymous said...

when was the last update to the BOE
regarding the Family Support Center?
How many GCSD students have been
referred? How many Greece families
provided services ? Interventions made?
Outcomes of those interventions?

SCATS said...

To 6:13AM ~~ I haven't heard it mentioned since Achramovitch left.

Anonymous said...

Not that I disagree with the "numbers and demographics" at SOC, but I do disagree that it is factually a fix. How many minorities actually apply to the SOC? if that data was avail then perhaps then the statement could be made that it serves to keep out minorities.

It does seem to serve a specific group of parents with ties to certain "groups". I am just not sure about the exclusion of minorities.

SCATS said...

To 9:56AM ~~ IF that data was available, we'd be talking about SOME transparency regarding the SOC issue. However, there has been NO TRANSPARENCY related to anything regarding these schools in the last TWO DECADES. Why is that? Hmmm??

Anonymous said...

Very telling that Greece's two most under-subscribed (i.e. emptiest) schools have the highest percentages of impoverished students while Greece's three most over-subscribed schools (all three are schools of choice with lengthy wait lists) have the least number of impoverished students as a percentage of their enrollment. If I were a Vegas gambler (which I'm not), I'd say the odds of that happening without some inside help are nil!

SCATS said...

To 10:09AM ~~ You mean I couldn't interest you in some swampland? How about a bridge? No? Dang it!

Anonymous said...

SCATS said, "To bus them to their private settings is costing us several boatloads of $$ ;)"

Proof please. Thanks.

SCATS said...

To 10:49AM ~~ I've decided to handle this the way that Greece Central handles all such things. If you disagree with GCSD, you must prove them wrong. Have fun :D

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