Saturday, September 25, 2010

Did Athena Varsity Soccer Team Forfeit 5 Games?

   
From our email ...
Heard that the Athena Boys Varsity Soccer team had to forfeit its first 5 games due to the use of an illegal player.  Any truth to this?  Seems to me that the AD  should be held accountable if this is is fact true.  Keep it up your blog is the best.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

How about it SCATS? Any truth to the rumor?

SCATS said...

To 5:04PM ~~ I've asked several sources, but being that it's a weekend, no one has gotten back to me yet. That's why I decided to ask on here. I have my own suspicions that it's true, but time will tell ;)

Anonymous said...

If anyone can get the facts, it will be you!

Anonymous said...

AD's accountable ? This is Greece" my palms " NY . Certain coaches are backed up , no matter how many complaints are made . If you ask yourself why enough times and do a little research you'll find out why . The thing is , no body cares . As long as everyone involved cashes their check , who cares about safety ,sportsmanship, learning or ethics . More than a few questions at Odyssey also .

SCATS said...

To 12:28AM ~~ It's all about the money. Scholarship money for the kids. Extra stipends or paychecks for the coaches.

Anonymous said...

"Extra stipends or paychecks for the coaches"?

Its my understanding that Greece Coaches are near the bottom of the stipend ladder compared to Monroe County counterparts. I was talking to one Coach that told me there has not been a change in money for coaches in over 10 years.

If they had to forfeit due to an illegal player - my money is on the student living in a different district.

SCATS said...

To 6:43AM ~~ I'd like to see a list comparing us. All I see are the stipends the BOE okays in the meeting minutes. There are SO MANY STIPENDS given out, it appears that we pay big $$

It can't be a student from another district. Our budget is a barebones contingency budget and all of the illegals were rounded up and sent back 2-3 yrs ago ... BOTH OF THEM ;) lol

Anonymous said...

Illegal players may be ones that are "not on the roster". Or they may be players that received red or yellow flags at a previous game and were supposed to not play the next game. They would only be accountable for the infraction if another coach officially complained to an official. A team would not be held accountable for an out of district person being on the team. That student would have been allowed to be in school and at practice and it is not the coach responsibility to do background checks on residency. That is the school district's job.
And how many city residents are on our teams? LOL.Living with Auntie.

SCATS said...

To 1:03PM ~~ Re: "A team would not be held accountable for an out of district person being on the team."

While I do realize it's the district's job, if they could prove the person didn't reside within the district they couldn't complain and get some results? I find that hard to believe. I'd want to see where that rule is written, please.

Anonymous said...

I heard from a very close source that this is true. That a player transfered into Athena (from Aquinas) without proper paperwork being filed. The team will have to forfeit its first five games due to this. Too bad for those boys on the team.

Anonymous said...

I want to know exactly what it is that is not filed with the correct paperwork for this player from Athena that can't play soccer and Section 5 made the team forfeit their games. When a student transfers from one school to another what is Section 5 requiring from student or school? No one seems to be able to answer the question??? The student was at Aquinas(private school) left and is now in their neighborhood school. Section 5, whoever you are how can you be so cold hearted to not allow a soccer player to play and do this to a TEAM! The family lives in Greece, has always lived in Greece and pays Greece School taxes -so who are you people that get to decide to make things so ugly, when you have the power to overturn the decision!!!! This can't be the first time this has happened. Give Athena a break and make the right decision, please make it right!

Anonymous said...

7:35 That boy would have to take a year off from playing according to section V. That rule keeps districts and schools from recruiting players and stealing them from other teams.
Was that boy a city resident?
What paperwork are you talking about? Registration into the school or soccer team paperwork?
The reason it was 5 games could be the other coach that made the complaint made it at game 1 and it took 4 more games to confirm. And is this the next 5 games they must forfeit or past wins? Will they have to play them as planned but just give the win to the opposing team?

SCATS said...

To 9:31PM ~~ I'd love to see you show such passion for academics in Athena ... but I digress ...

Anonymous said...

9:31 Rules are rules even in sports. And it's not like they can never play again. It is only 5 games. Don't they play about 200 games? Take it up with the school administration for allowing it to happen.
And what sports fan in Greece doesn't know about the wait to play for a year rule. It is Legend! They thought no one would notice.
And many people pay taxes in Greece and their kids never get to be on the teams. And half of the kids on the teams never get to play (unless it looks like it will not count for anything but will help the motivational speaking career of the coach.)

SCATS said...

To 7:51AM ~~ Thumbs up!

Anonymous said...

I can answer those questions - yes Athena did have to forfeit 5 games, yes they did complain to Athena Admin, no they didnt get anywhere because nobody wanted to do anything, yes the family lives in Greece and has resided there for 28 years. Both the parents were raised in Greece, no the rule isnt you can play sports when you transfer schools, the rule is you get one free move during your high school year w/o preventing you to sit for a year. The student transferred from Aquinas to Athena, the proper paperwork wasnt filled out by the AD at Athena, it is a form that the parent or student never see - the student was registered for Athena on 8/16/10 wtih a schedule in Infinite Campus! The player didnt have a red card or a yellow card as mentioned. I have to laugh at the person that states " And what sports fan in Greece doesn't know about the wait to play for a year rule. It is Legend! They thought no one would notice". Well to inform you your information is incorrect...check your facts - the student by no fault of his family or himself is ineligible only due to the fact that someone at Greece didnt do their job....ha shocking yes I know!
The family asked Athena to file an appeal and clearly that wasnt done because they came back immediately and said that the appeal was shot down. The student was told on Tues that he was ineligible, Wed the parent went into Athena and was told the AD was "done with it" Wednesday afternoon the AD was told SHE will follow an appeal, Thursday she apparently made a phone call, and stated that was her appeal. Bunch of crap if you ask me - Why isnt Greece supporting these kids? A kid ineligible due to the fault of Admin??? The AD has been miserable about it. An AD from Hilton who is also an Athena Father called and question the Athena players elegibility because it was the student that scored on his team. Hard to belive grown men would stood to lows, and then to find out it was an Athena father who happened to be the AD at Hilton??? Hmmm seems to me the plot thickens in Greece by the minute.

Anonymous said...

The foolish things said here - the person that said he lived out of the district....well a student has to be registered for a school before he can play sports. I mean comeon' people you are brighter than this...arent you? Everyone posts their opinions and guesses as to why..when in reality you didnt know the reason - The player did nothing wrong - all he did was transfer schools! The fault was in Athena that didnt follow the process. Case Closed!

Anonymous said...

"made it harder for students to change schools and remain eligible for varsity sports unless the family moved."
Students cannot change schools without a family move and expect to be able to switch to that school's varsity team if they have been varsity at the other school. This prevents piracy of players by promising them a position. Although there is some poaching going on at the middle school level in some of the sports in Greece. Those coaches are relentless.
And that Hilton administrator (Greece resident) that disclosed the illegal player (so you say) obviously was doing his job. Would you expect a Greece administrator or coach that lived in Penfield to just ignore if a Penfield player was illegally playing against our teams.?

Anonymous said...

Again you are wrong, the student transferred from Aquinas to Athena, yes they can move schools and still be eligible to play Varsity Sports! Before posting comments as you have, please do your homeweork. People come to this blog for information and to find out whats going on. You posting things making inaccurate comments, ruin the theme of the blog. Again, a student can make a school move ONCE in their high school career! This is his ONE move.

As far as the Hilton AD doing his job...hmm again no - he stated he was making sure the AD at Athena did her job, because they were friends...do you think every AD is checking on the performance of the AD's at other schools? hmm that answer would be NO! The kid that transferred scored the goal, hence sparking the ADs interest. End of Discussion.

Anonymous said...

Its about a kid who transferred from Aquinas to Athena (his home school) he didnt do anything illegal and yes a student can move once within the 4 years of high school and not have to sit a year! The family resides in Pinebrook. He didnt get a 'red flag" haha which tells me you dont know soccer, because even a player with a red "card" can play! The paperwork NOT filed was that of Greece, not the student. A new student registers in the school, the kid practiced with the team all summer, the coach knew he was from Aquinas and the student resides in Greece. Helloooo Greece, again its the fault of the district...

SCATS said...

To 5:57AM ~~ I never professed to be an expert on sports. Truth be told, it's more interesting watching the sport nut parents argue it out on rules that appear to be widely unknown. It seems to me that by now someone would/could have come forward with a link to the rules that apply to this situation and a copy of the form that wasn't filed. No one has which indicates to me that maybe none of you know or care. Then again, maybe those rules are as nebulous as GCSD policy ... making yet another reason why I don't support school district athletics. If it isn't concrete for all, then it's fair to no one ;)

Anonymous said...

Well if you read the blog and what I said then you would better understand. Firstly, I dont care if you support sports or not, yet it brings me to the question as to why you would read or be interested in this...let alone post. The reason the kid is ineligible is because we dont know what form wasnt filed. It is a form that never touches the parent or players hands, hence the reason we've never seen the form. Referring to sports parents as sport nut parents...shows your intelligence...why wouldnt you support school sports programs. A kid out there running around, staying in shape, team building, keeping good grades...arent those the kids we want to support??? So to answer your question - there is no LINK to the form, its not a parent or student form. It is strictly something submitted by the AD when a kid switches school - Which part of this arent you comprehending???? Your negative slams to sports tell me your child was cut from the team, for that I am sorry.

SCATS said...

To 11:07AM ~~ Of course, I read the blog. I am more than capable, since I have almost 5 years experience doing this ;)

Your ridiculous attempt to slam me for my lack of intellect is pretty funny, especially when you write something as nonsensical as this: "The reason the kid is ineligible is because we dont know what form wasnt filed."

The reason the kid is ineligible has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW, or don't know!

You make it sound like the only way a kid can learn "to run around, stay in shape, team build, keep good grades" is on a GCSD athletic field. That simply is NOT the case :) Staying in shape, running around and team-building are part of the reason for required physical education classes, right? If not, then let's eliminate those positions ASAP, and save a boatload of money doing so.

You're wrong, again, about me having a kid cut from a team. My family doesn't live and die for sports. We don't plan the Thanksgiving turkey around the games or halftime shows! Un-American of me, I know, but it's our choice.

The truth is that we would never, ever subject any child to such abuse as playing on a school district sports team! If you don't get what I'm saying, then I suggest you quietly observe from the sidelines sometime and listen for the expletives spewed towards the kids playing, especially the one who MISSES the play. Then you should understand perfectly ;)

Anonymous said...

5:57 That one move as you call it is only if the family moved from the area of one school to the other. There was a transfer with no move on this family's part. So under those circumstances the boy is not eligible to play that varsity sport for one year. He can play another varsity sport that he was not playing at his previous school. You should keep up with the requirements. Where did you get your information from? Mine came from the section 5 handbook.
And is this boy continuing playing? 5 games forfeit is a big penalty for an administrative glitch.
The only waiver for the voluntary transfer with no family move is if the family switches from a private school and goes back to the home school district for financial reasons. Then they are excused from the year wait. Is that the paperwork that was not filed? Maybe that is how we was lured back home to greece with the offer of being able to play. And the recruiter did not make sure that paperwork was filed. That requires a signature that could be held under scrutiny if the financial case was a ploy. So maybe the people involved wanted to avoid the documentation part.

SCATS said...

I found a link to a document titled "NYSPHSAA Transfer Rule" which sounds like it is applicable to the situation in question. Since I don't know what the exact situation is with the student in question, I'm posting the link so you can all argue it out while I referee :)

http://www.sectionv.org/inner_pages/forms/transferruleupdate.pdf

Anonymous said...

I feel bad that this kid had to leave an institution with real Teachers , high expectations and generally good outcomes and roll the dice with GTA Union Hacks "Where Student Parents support for our raises and benefits IS the goal"

SCATS said...

To 1:21PM ~~ Ithought that "Sports no matter the cost" was Greece Central's goal??

Anonymous said...

This blog is comical. I find the attack on the family and the kid almost funny - people slamming sports, saying the kid was sneaking in from another district? Helloooo who wants to sneak into Greece???? I mean its not like its desirable school district - Geesh people get a life. The kid came to his home school - so what, it was an admin error and yes the penalty was they had to forfeit their first 5 games, that is fact! The kid has to sit until he gets 8 legal practices is...The blog is for informational purposes - if you dont know the answer, why are you all guessing? Signed: Get a Life!

Anonymous said...

To put peace to all you sports haters and private school haters. Please read below, will this now shut you up on saying a student cant transfer into their home school and still play sports w/o sitting a year! Again as already stated, but apprently not comprehended...the student gets one free move in their high school career. Please see the post from section v sports below! Ty and I hope this shuts you all up! Aquinas is a PRIVATE school therefore exempt from the rule!

B. A student who transfers without a corresponding change in residence of his/her parents (or
other persons with whom the student has resided for at least six months) is ineligible to
participate in any interscholastic athletic contest in a particular sport for a period of one (1)
year if as a 9-12 student participated in that sport during the one (1) year period immediately
preceding his/her transfer. Students who transfer from any school to the public school district
of the residence of his/her parents (or other persons with whom the student has resided for at
least six months) or a private school within that district’s boundaries shall be exempt from the
Transfer Rule. That such a transfer without penalty will only be permitted once in a high
school career. NOTE: A student in a foreign exchange program listed by CSIET has a one year
waiver of the Transfer Rule. If such a student elects to stay a second year he/she becomes a
foreign student at the start of the school year with item (b) in effect.

SCATS said...

To 2:47PM ~~ This BLOG is multi-purpose. Yes, it is to inform, but it is also a place to discuss local issues, bring forth problems that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day, get opinions of others ... and possibly even for entertainment.

As for who wants to sneak into Greece? I'd say the line at the border from the city is pretty lengthy. The bigger issue is, who is ensuring that ONLY bonifide residents of the district are attending our schools?

To 11:07AM ~~ Re: "So to answer your question - there is no LINK to the form, its not a parent or student form. It is strictly something submitted by the AD when a kid switches school - Which part of this arent you comprehending????"

I love proving people like you wrong :) I posted links to ALL of the forms on a new BLOG for your "entertainment" and "comedy" pleasure. I won't hold my breath awaiting your apology. Afterall, I know manners has no place among the sports booster group ;)

To 2:57PM ~~ What will it take to shut YOU up?? Oh I know ... the delete button!

Anonymous said...

It is a big deal when students are penalized for the lack of efficiency of a greece administrator. How many times does that happen and there is no Hilton administrator to make sure things are being done correctly?
Was there an apology from the athletic director? Was there an apology from the coach to the team? Why did this not get into the paper, megan? How many illegal people are playing in greece? How did the Hilton administrator know the paperwork was not filed? Why did he know and the Athena people did not know? Was he guessing? Or did he think maybe this kid had changed schools more than once in grades 9-12?

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration was forced to enact the "Delete Button." It sounds like 2:57PM decided to try to take me to task and "educate me" about forms no one ever sees (in a not so nice way) and then posts his/her comment on the new thread on this subject a few minutes later, saying "Yup, those ARE the forms" ... but no apology. All that after telling me I didn't know what I was talking about .... tisk, tisk indeed!

Anonymous said...

I just read this blog and SCATS you are wrong and you became so typical of a Greece employee. The rule is if the student moved from private to public he can have one free move - so your facts as you call them were incorrect. The family never moved. They made the mistake of putting their student into Athena apparently. The student could have one free move during his high school career - this was his move, the AD needed to supply a rubberstamp form to Section V and didnt do so because she never comes out and meets the new players each season. You can post your forms and make up your lies, but this is fact!

SCATS said...

To 5:07PM ~~ Have you been in a coma and just woke up? It's over half a year since this issue came up!

It's laughable that you liken me to, or is it label me as, a GCSD employee! Your anger is so typical of the Greece sports booster mentality (See, I can sterotype you too ;). The rest of your posting makes little to no sense since it seems contradictory AND accuses me of "lies" without saying what "lie" SCATS told. If you read back through, I asked a lot of questions and I've tried to be on the side of the student here. I think a high-priced AD blew it big time.