Friday, August 13, 2010

How Many Glue Sticks Does It Take To Educate ONE Child??

    
Longridge School First Grade Supply List Seems Unrealistic ... and Pricey!

___ 3 packages of 12 wooden, plain yellow #2 pencils (sharpened please)
___ 1 box of 24 crayons
___ 4 large pink erasers
___ 20 glue sticks
___ 1 pair of scissors
___ 5 pocket folders - red, blue, yellow, green and purple
___ 1 set of thin Crayola markers
___ 1 black and white marble cover composition book
___ 2 packages of 100, 3x5 white book index cards
___ 1 sturdy small pencil box (no bigger than the size of a small shoe box) (NOT A BAG, P LEASE)
___ 2 package of thin dry erase markers
___ 1 package of 3”x 3” Post It notes

(TOTAL COST of above: $47.57 according to today's Greece Post)
___ Sneakers for PE day

Helpful for Classroom Success:
___ 1 box of sandwich size plastic zipper bags
___ 1 box of gallon size plastic zipper bags
___ Art smock
___ 2 boxes of tissues

*Please label all items with your child's first and last name.
** Please Note: Your child's classroom teacher may notify you the first week of school with any additional items that may be required.
*** Check for lots of sales in July!

Revised 6/16/10
 
SCATS ~~ Will the children be snacking on the 20 glue sticks, 36 pencils and 4 large erasers?? Of course, the tissues & zippered bags will be shared, but what about the 20 glue sticks?

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

The 36 pencils seems low to me. They go through pencils like water flows over Niagara Falls...

SCATS said...

To 10:09PM ~~ Do 1st grade students REALLY do that much work with regular pencils as opposed to markers & crayons? I still can't comprehend the need for 20 glue sticks.

Anonymous said...

The school must be suplying the plastic tube with the internal diameter slightly larger than a pencil.

A few days spent building up the pencil with a glue stick makes little Lorenzo the first on the schoolbus with his own blowgun to shoot pencils at cars with open windows stuck next to the bus in traffic.

A couple of the glue sticks will be used to plug holes in other students caused by in class demonstration sessions.


They forgot the helmet and personal locator beacon. How will Beckie & Brantley survive the building collapse.

Pencil box, will that be used to fight off other students trying to steal pencils and glue sticks?

Art Smock, wasn't he on the School Board?

Anonymous said...

glue sticks taste good.

so do boogers.

Anonymous said...

They do less than you'd think with crayons and markers actually. Most work is done with pencils.

Anonymous said...

We used to get a list like this when our fully grown son was in grade school. Much of the supply list was never used. I wouldn't mind buying this stuff if it was truly going to be used, but all it seems to do is create a scavenger hunt for parents searching all over town for the items on two or three lists when all the stores are bought out of the items you need. I hope the stores get a heads up from the schools that all the Moms and Dads are a-commin shoppin!

Anonymous said...

They need to the parents to offset the cost of yet another CIP disaster.

Anonymous said...

That is way too many supplies for a first grader. The school principal should have a common sence talk with one of the more sane school board members.

Anything more than $10 should be approved rejected by the parents!

SCATS said...

To 8:12AM ~~ Apparently, they do MUCH MORE with glue sticks, too!

To 8:30AM ~~ I know exactly what you mean. I got into the habit of sending in the same (though somewhat tattered and crumpled) marble composition book until it was either written in, or no longer required :)

To 9:39AM ~~ I agree!

Anonymous said...

It's a test.

Got to be something dreamed up by the NEA headquarters to make it easy for the so Union teachers to determine how compliant the parental units are.

Everybody line up so we can do the checklist against the crap you hauled into school so Miss Yumyum can see how well your parents bought into the scam we call education here. That way Miss Yumyum will be able to see who the troublesome parents will be and be prepared to screw with their kid.

Anonymous said...

To scats at "I still can't comprehend the need for 20 glue sticks." The students do a "make work" task of "color, cut paste" where they color in the shapes on a reproducible of some sort and then cut them out and paste them into the outlined spaces on another page. That might explain the need for the glue sticks.
It truly does not require a masters degree to direct that activity but lots of desk time is used up in that way.

SCATS said...

To 3:30PM ~~ Does "make work" mean what we used to call busy work? I'm more inclined to go with 3:15PM's contention, because 20 is still a whole lot of glue for a 6 yr. old.

Anonymous said...

my bet.. teachers are asking for 0 glue sticks to be used as class sets.. which is crazy!! teachers get money as instructional budget items.IT isn't the parents responsibilty to supply everyone else's kids with supplies... Parents need to stand up and say something. I'll Supply my own child not a full class.. These tecahers shoudl be ashamed! I work in the city school district and we supply most items for the kids....

SCATS said...

To 3:36PM ~~ That would help explain the need for all of those zippered bags, too. You're right. Greece teachers SHOULD be ashamed. Sadly, they aren't. No wonder so many kids are on free lunches. The parents go bankrupt buying school supplies!

Anonymous said...

Just wait til or should I say if these kids go to college (assuming they don't sniff on the glue sticks too much) Have any of you priced college textbooks lately

Anonymous said...

And the very best part of these school lists…

When you send these supplies in, often the teachers divvy them up so that the kids whose parent(s) sent in nothing end up with the stuff other parents bought. Rarely does your child end up with the actual items you sent in. Just another welfare of sorts!

SCATS said...

To 5PM ~~ College textbooks are outrageously priced! Fortunately, there are alternatives. You can buy used books from various sources/places, order new online at significant discount over the campus bookstore, or in some cases, you can opt for an online version of the text for very little expense (comparatively).

SCATS said...

To 5:14PM ~~ LABEL EVERYTHING ;) I used to order pencils with my kid's name printed on the side.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, in Greece, teachers DO NOT get a budget for this stuff. The administration takes all of the budget. Many teachers buy supplies for those that can not afford it. How many other professions do you know where the employee needs to purchase items with his/her own money to complete their job?

SCATS said...

To 9:59PM ~~ I think you are attempting to support the indefensible, not to mention the wrong argument. I don't know anyone who has an issue with parents being asked to supply some basics, like paper, pencils, crayons, etc. That's not the issue. The issue is that it appears that Greece teachers ask for too much and are too specific - to the point of sounding anal retentive. One elementary supply list requests "donations" of 4 boxes of Kleenex, hand sanitizer and wet wipes in addition to a lengthy list of "required" supplies. It forgot to mention the burro that will be needed to haul the goods into school!

SCATS said...

By the way 9:59PM, I've NEVER heard a Greece teacher complain about not having the supplies they need to do their jobs at a BOE meeting. Is your union Prez. out-to-lunch on this issue, too?

Anonymous said...

Are the kids really supposed to be using dry erase markers at such a young age? Are they even safe with the fumes for the children to be handling? We had to open windows in my kid's kindergarten class last year because the class was drawing with dry erase markers on little boards and the sub and I thought we were literally going to get "high" from the fumes! Most of these younger grades ask for all of these supplies because they are "community" supplies... they share crayons, pencils, markers, glue sticks, ect. in a tub in the middle of their tables/teams.They go through pencils and crayons like crazy (you always have that one kid who loves to break them). It is mostly the same parents who supply the room every single year while other parents don't contribute and depend on us contributing parents. The same goes for snacks, tissues, sanitizers, ziploc bags. My favorite was that my kid needed a steno book in kindergarten last year... a steno book? Really? And this year I spent close to $50 on supplies for a 1st grader to be "community supplies"...our specified "Fiskar scissors", 2 pkgs. post-it notes, 3 boxes of 24 count "crayola" crayons, 2 boxes facial tissues (no, this was not listed as a donated item), 10 glue sticks, 2 boxes 12 count #2 pencils sharpened and so much more. And then we'll get a notice home that the class is out of snacks, even though we send our own children with snacks, they like to have community snacks for those kids who don't bring one in... hmmm, who do you think is expected to pick that up, the parents that never send their kids with the snack? No! It is the other parents who are now supplying classroom snacks for the kids without plus sending a healthy personal snack for our own? Where does it end?

SCATS said...

To 10:18PM ~~ I suspect it will end when Greece parents get a backbone and STOP fueling the dysfunction. It IS a dysfunction, too. Our budget is supposed to provide for certain supplies. If it isn't, the teachers need to step up and speak up ... or stay silent.

Are the fumes from dry erase markers as intoxicating as the fumes from fresh a ditto run?

Anonymous said...

To 10:18 thank you. You are correct about the dry erase markers. Here is a link about the dangers of inhalants. Look under the section "examples of inhalants" and it includes the dry erase markers among other supplies in the classroom. They better keep the windows open.
Addiction to and death by inhalant is tragic and the use most times is not even suspected by the families.

http://www.inhalants.org/guidelines.htm

And they put all the crayons together for group use? Very sad. Nothing better than your own new box of crayons which you get to have the points of until they are worn down. Then those are used for the shading and fill in and the next box gets to do the outlining.

And there is a subsidized program for breakfast and lunch. ( Also a non-subsidized one, too) Do the students need even more snacks than Breakfast and lunch before dismissal? If so, the government should be alerted so a mid morning or afternoon program can be added. Or is this a Pavlovian treat program which requires the constant donation of healthy snacks?

Anonymous said...

$47 is high, I had two lists longer than that for a 4th and 5th grader, and a small list for a first grader. I spent $52 shopped at Target and Walmart.

Tom Kackmeister said...

NEW SUBJECT:

Check out the Sunday D and C local book review page 7C "Many Options FEW EASY" re: controlling school spending. Should be a must read for anyone seriously interested in controlling education costs.

Tom Kackmeister

SCATS said...

To 10:16AM ~~ I suspect the length of the list doesn't necessarily reflect the cost. Regardless that, the list example given is ridiculous for a first grader to supply.

SCATS said...

To 10:45AM ~~ Tom, perhaps we should provide a copy for EVERY BOE MEMBER ... ? But we can't make them read it ... :(

Anonymous said...

If you calculate about $50 per elementary child for the required supplies, that would be $300,000 retail. We parents have to pay retail and we have to pay sales tax. What would happen to the price if the school district purchased wholesale (from bids even!) and distributed the supplies? Of course we know there is the possibility that crayons would go the way of the textbooks(disappear) in this climate of site based management but the cost could be greatly reduced and all the children would have supplies. Except for sneakers.

SCATS said...

To 12:01PM ~~ You make an EXCELLENT POINT! Sadly, I have the impression there are some very closed minds leading the BOE on this idea.

Anonymous said...

Scats my point was I had to buy all those same items for BH and two kids to shop for and addition items not on that list and it did not cost be $47

I do agree the list are long, to specific and in our school it is requested that supplies NOT be LABELED.

Anonymous said...

Most teachers use dry erase boards now versus their chalkboards that are covered with posters on the wall and the kids are supplying the dry erase markers for the teachers. Do you remember having to supply our teachers with chalk when we went to elementary school? I don't! And again... the fumes from the dry erase markers, and the kids are using them to write on the boards with the teachers. What's wrong with uncovering the chalkboards and using the chalk that is so darned cheap and NON-TOXIC?????

Anonymous said...

12;01 where are the pta's.
They are non profit and would pay no sales tax.

Anonymous said...

If the district purchased these supplies they could be bought in bulk, wholesale and sent to one location central stores on District property. Then the individual teachers or an eager parent could go to the warehouse and pick up what is needed for that teacher. They already buy cleaner and toilet tissue and napkins for the cafeteria, why not the sani wipes and tissues. They buy the materials for the art classes, why not the colored markers and pencils and crayons and glue in bulk for the whole district. This way each child would be assured ,without feeling like a charity case, that the supplies would be available. This would cost about 150,000 for the entire elementary enrollment. Maybe the board could use this as a priority over some stipends or some luxury sport like hockey or lacrosse. Which is more important to the "learning is the goal" mission? (Sorry if that changed. If I am wrong what is their goal now?)

SCATS said...

To 5:59PM ~~ You are talking with logic & common sense! Please don't confuse our "leadership" with that!

The current BOE goal is to write some goals so it will look like they are doing something ...

Anonymous said...

What about low oder dry erase, I use them for my kids and feel fine about it, of course it requires parent to purchase the EXPO name brand

Anonymous said...

The new math program in the elementary schools has students using dry erase markers on their "math boards" almost daily.

Anonymous said...

9:57 Are they writing on math boards at their desks? Is this like the "you wrote on my slate" from the "school days" song of 1907? Are we getting back to one room school house/little house on the prairie procedures with the kids writing at their desks on an erasable slate? Is that so there is no documentation for the deficiencies of the math program? A famous school board member in Greece once predicted that with the stranglehold the union had on the money we eventually would have schools with a teacher and children and no lights or supplies or equipment. Who knew? Bob did.

Anonymous said...

Yes, low odor dry erase markers are fine, however, how many parents are sending those in, especially since they were not specified on the supply list? They specified other items such as "Fiskar" scissors and "Crayola" crayons, "Lysol" wipes, "Ziploc" bags... why not specify low odor dry erase markers? It is obviously not a priority!

SCATS said...

I hope everyone realizes that providing these supplies ... ALL OF THEM ... is totally OPTIONAL. Under NY State Education Law, they can't require parents to spend a single penny, because the children are entitled to a FREE public education.

Anonymous said...

Do they glue all day?

Anonymous said...

Someone needs a hobby.

SCATS said...

To 9:37PM ~~ Maybe gluing is a hobby ...