Thursday, July 01, 2010

Robach Missing Opportunity To Do Something Meaningful

   
13WHAM News reports that no New York State Senate Republicans are supporting the bill for mayoral control of Rochester city schools.

SCATS ~~ Joe Robach's fear of the teacher's union speaks for itself and should be remembered by all in November.
 

22 comments:

SCATS said...

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Charlie Hubbard said...

I have been a registered republican over 40 years. When they lack conviction like this they truly sicken me.
So many of them would not know the meaning of the word conservative which is why they are in trouble and have been a big part of getting this state in big trouble.

The only thing that is going to save the republican party in N.Y.S. is if the people figure out that the dem/libs are even dumber and even more irresponsible.

In the end the biggest problem can be found in the mirror and our out of control appetite for entitlements and the spending of money we do not have.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ Can you explain to me what the difference is between Robach when he was a Dem and Robach the current Rep? What about Auberger? What about any of the myriad of local politician party-flippers? Did they really get any smarter after flipping partys?

In my opinion, they have NO LOYALTY to anyone, especially the suckers who put them into office! They flip their party at the drop of a hat. Why? Because it's up for election and an easy win, often with no other contender? Hmmm ... I think I might be onto something here ...

The people who need to get some smarts are the voting public, especially the senior citizens in Greece who re-elect people like Auberger and Robach out of fear of the unknown. Remember Auberger threatened that Maloney would raise our taxes? It worked to get him back into office, right? What did Uncle Auggie do then? He raised our assessments!

Anonymous said...

Charlie and SCATS, you both live in Greece...would you give up your democratic right to vote? I'm guessing no, so why should anybody merely seize that right from people in the City of Rochester without their input. Only one public meeting has took place, which was a source for the interest groups and vocal opposition or supporters read their talking points. Because it was held at 12 on a Friday, parents weren't there to speak on their view. Where's the harm in letting the public vote on it, like Robach's been saying. If the residents of the City believe mayoral control is what is needed, it will be reflected in such a vote.

SCATS said...

To 1:25PM ~~ You've overlooked the fact that in the city, they don't vote on school budgets. You also overlooked the fact that in Greece, our vote on school issues is meaningless anyway. Look what just happened in Greece. The budget was defeated. The BOE set a contingency budget with a higher than average (for the area this year) tax hike and said to hell with the community's input, no second vote! Given this, I don't see that we will be losing any democratic right that hasn't already been wrested away from us.

In the city, even Brizard is onboard to do something different to start to turn things around. God knows the current system isn't working. Look at the miserable graduation stats!

By the way, what percentage of those city residents actually turn out to vote? That meeting was at 10AM (on a Tuesday, I think), not noon ;)

Anonymous said...

I didn't overlook it, I never said they vote for budgets. But you have a vote on who creates that budget, like it or not who the people picked, you had a say. Why do you think the people of the City don't deserve that right? Or why do you think City residents don't deserve the right to vote on whether or not they want mayoral control?

Anonymous said...

Is he afraid of the union because they might beat him up?
And the city voters get to vote on the school board members. Under the Duffy idea would the school board be abolished?
We have a school board but it might as well not be there.

SCATS said...

To 1:52PM ~~ Re: "But you have a vote on who creates that budget"

Under mayoral control, there will be an opportunity to vote on the person who decides that budget ;)

To 2:15PM ~~ It's not the union who "beats him up" ;)

Anonymous said...

Thanks for answering my question SCATS...oh wait you didn't. And no the city residents wouldn't have a choice on who creates the budget, they'll vote for the Mayor...who then chooses 5 of the 9 members of the oversight board who effectively implement policy and budgetary planning without public input.

SCATS said...

To 3:11PM ~~ Actually, I did answer it. You just didn't like the answer. Voting on mayor will be that much more meaningful, won't it?

PS ~~ YOU didn't answer my question either ;)

Anonymous said...

This is a hard one to pin down. Either unions or politicians will be in charge of the school district. Neither makes much sense.

Robach's opponent is against mayoral control probably for the same reasons. It turns absolute power over to 1 political person who now controls all of the jobs and contracts to hand out to their friends.

Jim Alesi's opponent supports mayoral control, probably because she's been working for the Democrats in plum jobs for a while now and her family are bigtime developers here in Monroe County.

It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Charlie Hubbard said...

1:25 (anonymous)
Mr. Roebach's position on this 'vote thing' is nothing but pure hypocracy, mostly I would suggest so some politicians don't have to take a position on anything controversial. A cop-out.

I and others have met with Mr. Roebach concerning the 'spitting on the vote' by the school board. Feel free to post ANY action taken by Mr. Roebach concerning this problem. So I have no reservations about this 'wanting a vote' by the people to be pure hypocracy.

If, pur-chance there is a concern about the constitution then say so. Heard anything about allowing city residents to vote on their school budget? Of course not. 'Now' this big concern about the people having a say????

How about a 'recall vote' for elected state officials who violate the constitution? Like spending more $$ than you have - strickly prohibited by the constitution (now over 9 billion $$)
And we are worried about giving the people a voice??

Let us not forget why this mayor controll came about. It was and is because of the pure incompetence of the school board. Approval of give-away contracts (sound familiar?) - the out of control spending with nothing to show for it (sound familiar?) and on and on. I have no idea if mayor controll is the answer but no one with any credibility can defend the conduct of the school board. Unfortunatly 'this' school board may not be alone.

Anonymous said...

You didn't ask a question but whatever SCATS, I know I won't get an answer...it's your blog and you don't like when people disagree even if they make sense. Like the expression goes, I can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit, even with reason your still going attack the people you don't like even if they're doing whats right.

Anonymous said...

FYI Republicans are the dumbest Charlie. They think you can cut taxes and spend more. Enough said. At least Democrats are honest about raising taxes to spend more.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of things people should remember about Robach come November!

SCATS said...

To 3:38PM ~~ I asked this question when I posted at 1:37PM : "By the way, what percentage of those city residents actually turn out to vote?"

You were so busy trying to make something to eat (like your words maybe?) that I guess you missed it ;)

SCATS said...

To 4PM & anyone else who decides to post on this thread ~~ I'm not going to referee a peeing contest like the one you are trying to start: Republicans vs Democrats. Politicians spend, lie, spend, lie ... regardless their party.

SCATS said...

To 4:41PM ~~ I saw Robach on the news tonight. Suddenly he's "mad" about the late budget. I wonder who woke him up ... it's only 100 days overdue!

Anonymous said...

I don't beleive that the arguement that because enough people don't vote we should do away with democratic processes is a very good one.

We don;t often use our right to free speech but we don;t for that reason forfeit it.

Be careful what you wish for you may get it.
It has been argued that some national groups led by corporations are fronting this imitative.

Education can not be run as a market or on market terms students are not a product to be assessed by measurable results.

Above all anyone from greece should be skeptical of those who argue they are acting "for the kids"

SCATS said...

To 8:13PM ~~ I disagree with most of what you say. The current situation in city schools is NOT producing the desired results. Clearly, the system is broken. In fact, it's been on a steady decline for many years. The only thing that goes up is the spending (teacher salaries) and the drop-out rate!

Why can't education be run "on market terms"? No other business would ever survive the enormous financial waste that occurs in public education! The "pricetag" is getting so high even the politicians are calling for caps on taxes!

Why can't students "be assessed by measurable results"? In fact, we already do assess them with standardized tests. How else will you know if knowledge has been imparted?

In my view, if the union opposes this, which they have done quite loudly, then it's probably a good idea.

Anonymous said...

Dear SCATS: Not everything is about Auberger. Really!

SCATS said...

To 6:46AM ~~ You're right. That's why this thread is about his clone.