Thursday, July 29, 2010

The Good & The Bad Regarding NY Test Results

  
To: Concerned Individuals
From: Doug Skeet
Re: School District Comparisons on 2010 Test Results

Based on this am D&C paper we are able to make school district test result comparisons with the new NYS scoring system.

ELA
Of the 17 suburban Monroe County school districts Greece scored SECOND from the bottom. Of the 19 suburban school districts, two from Ontario County, Greece scored SECOND from the bottom. The Rochester City School District is in last place.

Greece had 56% of the students at a passing proficiency rate.

Math
Of the 17 suburban Monroe County school districts Greece scored FIFTH from the bottom. Of the 19 suburban school districts, two from Ontario County, Greece scored SEVENTH from the bottom. The Rochester City School District is in last place.

Greece had 68% of the students at a passing proficiency rate.

The ranking in math is an improvement for Greece. Greece has scored in last place and second from last for years in math. To be at seventh from the bottom is great.
  

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

the results from Greece are alrming, but we have to keep in miund the state recalibrated all of the scores, so many districts went down... We have a way to go... maybe we need to adjust and change our tecahing practices. We also have a huge range of demographics in Greece.

SCATS said...

To 9:34AM ~~ We have a way to go? That's the understatement of the year. Every year, it's excuses, excuses, excuses. And those excuses are ALWAYS the students' fault. I'm waiting for a year where there's true evidence of progress, especially in ELA.

Anonymous said...

When old fashioned reading and writing and arithmetic is taught and expected to be learned and RETAINED, then maybe we will see and improvement. Kids do not know how to read with meaning and I have yet to see in any grade where there is a heavy focus on this. SO when the math curriculum is heavy with critical thinking as in word problems and strategies it is no wonder our kids do so poorly. The learning is superficial, no meat! WHen the GCSD has the stones to set the bar high for students and teachers, with a grading policy that accounts for what is learned and retained we will see change.

Charlie Hubbard said...

My god what do you expect?

We have 'contracts' that give financial reward reguardless of performance plus 'tenure' aka no accountability - what do you expect??????? And the unions want MORE $$$$

Anonymous said...

9:34 - "we have a wide range of demographics in Greece" means that we should have a wide range of teaching methods and approaches in Greece. One's "demographic" should not determine if they get an education or not.

Anonymous said...

To Charlie--

It's spelled 'regardless', not 'reguardless'. If you are commenting about poor ELA scores I would think you could write with basic sentence structure, grammar, and spelling (especially since you once served on the board).

SCATS said...

To 1:51PM ~~ Since when did that become a requirement to be a BOE member? Even Greece ELA teachers are NOT required to be able to spell. To be a BOE member, one must be at least 18 yrs. old, a citizen and able to fog a mirror. Ask Russell or Smith if you don't believe me.

Anonymous said...

you are right demorgraphics are very important to education because with taht children bring different experiences into the scholls. Teachers need to adjust and modify and reteach as needed. WHat I believe to be the main issue in most schools are these workshop models where kids write about what they want, read silently on their own, are instructed for a very short time in a small group and the math....... its no longer old school math. WHen i went to school, we had to emmorize our times tables, now we allow kids to use counters to count out the answers.. I am trully cuirous as to why you think the scores are towards the bottom? Whta is different about Greece than other distyricts? That's the million dollar question!

Anonymous said...

Greece is becoming and will continue become a poorer inner rim suburb over time. There are few high paying jobs and as every mainstream outlet has finally discovered (at least 10 years too late) the middle class is disappearing We had better adapt to that

SCATS said...

To 3:56PM ~~ I know that. You know that. What does it take to get the John Aubergers & Steve Achramovitches of the world to admit that, so that we can better plan for the inevitable decline?

Anonymous said...

There was an emergency meeting at several school districts in the Rochester area. The topic? "Greece beat us. We really suck."

Anonymous said...

to 2:46. Yes, I believe that our teaching methods are failing the students because they do not stress basics like memorizing the "times tables" and spelling. We also have lost the parental involvement. Lack of parental involvement isn't a Greece problem alone, it is a national problem and could be the result of government systematically taking over every aspect of what used to be parental responsibility (feeding healthy meals to children, teaching the children morals and responsibility, etc) Every time I hear how it takes a village to raise a child, I want to scream, "Yes, but the first two "villagers" in line should be the parents!"
I do not know how to re-invigorate the parents and get them involved. Perhaps our urban-suburban school district cannot solve the problem without finding an expert, but with all the educational resources we have in Monroe County (other districts, U of R, RIT, and all the other schools that prepare teachers) we ought to be able to find someone with ideas.

SCATS said...

To 7:34AM ~~ I think there are plenty of people with ideas. What's lacking is leadership by individuals who have a spine to implement and stand behind well thought out change.

Anonymous said...

1:51 criticized Charlie with "It's spelled 'regardless', not 'reguardless'. If you are commenting about poor ELA scores I would think you could write with basic sentence structure, grammar, and spelling (especially since you once served on the board).
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People who live in glass houses, etc... Your sentence should have ended THIS way 'reguardless.' Not THIS way 'reguardless'.

Should I ignore your point just because you made a small error in punctuation?

Anonymous said...

GREECE... it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!

Anonymous said...

Charlie,

Tenure simply defines a different path to accountability. It is up to administration to decide to follow it or not.

The Walts-era administration (including the passive Kehoe water-treading months) had no problem doing so...rewarding jack-boot thugs as they purged Greece of some of its' greatest talent DESPITE the tenure-argument.

SCATS said...

To 8:59AM ~~ Please explain how tenure can be a path to accountability? As far as I've seen, it leads us down a path that AVOIDS accountability!

Anonymous said...

"they purged Greece of some of its' greatest talent DESPITE the tenure-argument."

The apostrophe is just funny and ironic since it is a teacher writing.. When in doubt put it unnecessarily after the possessive pronoun since the fan of the EEOC 5 was talking about many teachers of "talent".

Let's face it Walts was on the right track when his staff was observing some teachers and placing them on improvement plans. Previous to Walts the union went right along with the administration efforts to remove teachers. In fact in most cases they were forced to "resign" because the union boss was working with the HR Pratt. He and the attorney at that time used to boast at local conferences how they knew how to beat the system of tenure through the contract which had the "improvement plan" clause. As long as the union was on board there was not a problem. But Walts must have done something to displease the union and that is why his slick efforts were his and KC's undoing here.

SCATS said...

To 10:35AM ~~ Re: "As long as the union was on board there was not a problem."

So ... the tail wags the dog in GCSD? When the tail says nothing whatever situation, it can be read as agreement with administration then, correct?

Anonymous said...

Scats 10:25-

Actually, I said tenure defines a different path to accountability. One must simply follow different rules on that path.

i.e. well documented goal communication and assessment along with the 3020a process; however the ultimate goal of accountability can be reached ONLY if administration is willing to take the path.

It really is just that simple.

SCATS said...

To 8:42AM ~~ I disagree. Without accountability on the part of the teachers on their path, there will be no improvements. ALL things must have some measure of balance to work. You can't put it all onto the teachers, administration or the students (current situation especially from NYSED related to test scores). It takes all three.

Anonymous said...

Accountability must start somewhere and there is a 3020a process to hold Certified Teachers accountable, if only the administration would start.

Accountability must start somewhere and there is an "employment at the pleasure of the Superintendent" clause in place for high-ranking administrators, if only the Superintendent would start.

Accountability must start somewhere and, oh...never mind.

SCATS said...

To 3:20PM ~~ You've more or less made my point! It seems the only ones willing to make anyone accountable is NYSED who constantly puts the stress back onto the kids to perform. It seems to me that NYSED needs to get their heads outta their backsides and try holding the parties responsible since kids need competent teachers to succeed.

Anonymous said...

That darn Walts, K-C, etc... We are (were) better then that (in 1960, when Greece,NY was a progressive community.) Just look at that Mall.... That is NOT US!!! (unlike us in 1960 - when we were a progressive community)

Anonymous said...

Wait!

Kids - Quiet! Jersey Shore is on.... I said Shut Up! Play your video game. Shut up I said - Don't sit on my "Juicy" sweat pants!" I gotta see your teacher tommorrow. Quiet!

SCATS said...

Like Obama, I've never watched Jersey Shore. I prefer Billy the Exterminator. Can he rid NY of politicians???