Thursday, June 03, 2010

What's Happened To The New GTA Contract?

  
Shortly before the vote on May 18th, the word from many sources was that GTA reached agreement with the Greece School District. In fact, had the budget been approved, GTA was to get their new deal ASAP. Of course, the budget went down in a huge defeat. Soon after, I learned GTA was still going to get a contract despite that. I'm quite confident a deal is ready to be voted on, but I have a lot of questions about it.
  1. Where is this "deal?"
  2. What's in it that makes it a good deal for anyone aside from union members?
  3. Where will the funds come from to settle a contract when we were eliminating programs & services for students because there was NO EXTRA $$ in the budget?
  4. After such a long stalemate, what makes this the right time to settle?

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Once again Greece the town that hates education. you have administrators that hold no kid accountable for behavior problems. Want to blame the fact the town is too cheap to pass a budget (which by the way is why you don't have funding for student programs)and assume that the only one who will benefit from a contract is the union. What kind of fool believes that negotiation is one sided? Once again you prove how this site and town are ignorant and nothing more than a hate site that takes no responsibility for the town's actions.

SCATS said...

To 11:18AM ~~ Your comment would be funny if it weren't so ill informed.

I agree that administration doesn't handle discipline issues properly much of the time.

I do NOT agree that we are "too cheap to pass a budget" though. We're among the highest taxed in the entire country! Where has it gotten us? Near the bottom of the barrel in the county! According to the school board, we don't have funding because Uncle Dave in Albany reduced the cash cow called State Aid!

Since so many on our BOE have a PERSONAL FINANCIAL STAKE in settling the GTA contract, it quite likely is one-sided in a number of ways. God forbid anyone abstain from voting due to a "conflict of interest" on our BOE. That would require both a spine & morals.

Why would SCATS take responsibility for the town's actions? I don't run the town (yet).

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately SCATS, your sources are ill informed. GTA is no closer to getting a contract today than we were in 2006. As an "insider" I can state that with confidence! Nothing is further from the truth. Sorry you were led down a stray path.

george hubbard said...

GTA WORK RELEASE... CALL IT ROBUTRAD LITE!

1. The current GTA contract grants 1.0 FTE release time from teaching duties for union leadership... at public expense.

2. The estimated annual cost... $100K+ for salary, benefits, and cost for a substitute... and with no visibility in GCSD budget. How would the public know?

3. And where is the District benefit – educational or otherwise? The contract calls for work release time... with no accountability... no accountability to BOE or any District administrator.

4. With the recent Monroe County ROBUTRAD scandal, many were publicly embarrassed... a few got fired... several where convicted.

5. BOE members who vote to continue this provision in a new contract (after voter defeated budget), watch the fireworks in Greece!
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SCATS said...

To 12:06PM ~~ Time WILL tell ... And time is on my side ;)

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 11:18 (anonymous)
The kind of 'fool' that believes negotiations are one sided are the kind of people who look at 'reality'.
It has been soooo bad that the Comptrollers office identified our contracts as one of our shortcomings - read item 17 page 30 of the audit - there have been 2 contracts approved by the board since that audit - I challenge anyone to show me when the board followed this recommendation.

It reads; The district should ensure that changes to employment agreements and union contracts have some benefit to the district before they are entered into.

Translation; our contracts have been nothing but GIVE-AWAYS and those GIVE-AWAYS have been approved by the school board.
ENTITLEMENT on parade.

Anonymous said...

If they approve a contract and of course give them retroactive raises, where will that money come from? Will the superintendent have to cut 2 million from the operating budget to cover that increase in their salary and benefits, or has he already diverted and deposited those funds in a surprise account that will be liquidated in time for their first new big paychecks.
He can't have it both ways. Either the money was there all the time and he hid it from us or we will have to use funds for the raises in a new contract, funds that were already earmarked for the present contract. Remember even though the Triborough dictates that a present contract stays in force and has step increases,the steps themselves do not have an increase and there are upper limits for the more seasoned teachers. New contract will let us see a big spending increasing even if it is phased in.

Many programs will have to be curtailed to accommodate this. Class sizes could be increased even more unless he already knew about the terms of the new contract when he publicized the worse class sizes.
Either the administration is in trouble and will have to cut more or they are in trouble and they will have to admit lying about the funds. Let's make sure we make them admit one or the other.

Anonymous said...

11:18,
Because the state law says the current contract remains in force until it is replaced by a new one, there is nothing about the contract that represents negotiation. The union holds all the cards; they don't have to offer a single concession.
It helps explain why, based on the financial data from another thread, Greece leads the county in average teacher pay.

Anonymous said...

11:18 since the administrators are to blame for behavioral problems, perhaps you could show where the GTA has come forward and stated that such problems are important to their members. Money, benefits, and more money is all I ever hear from the GTA. It's all about the kid's education for the GTA, right?

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous person who is wondering where the money will come from, First of all it seems that all of Greece (who by the way would be up in arms if they did not get a cost of living raise)believes that teachers do not deserve the same benefits the townies demand. As far as being the money goes, I don't know, maybe you should have investigated the multi million dollar scandal of the "school improvement projects that Christa did. They did not even finish the project and got a million dollar bonus for doing that late. Oh that's right swept under the rug, but that too must be the teachers fault

Anonymous said...

to 3:46

Apparently you haven't been reading all the topics on this site. Any teacher that voices concerns that opposes that of the Administration is retaliated against. Administration does not care. The Administration is of the belief that they are above the law. They continually lie (can be proven), they continually break the laws (already proven - consent decree), they violate civil rights of the employees (age discrimination, ADA act - last fall D&C article. These were all proven and they still continue to this day.)

I have witnessed this personally.

SCATS said...

To 2:26PM ~~ Maybe the Supt. will cut $2million in busing services to pay for it. Wouldn't THAT make for an interesting scenario? LOL

SCATS said...

To 4:27PM ~~ I blame our BOE for not following through on that item, just like they decided it wasn't "worthwhile" to go after Walts' health care or the other atrocities Joe Moscato brought to light. SPINELESS!

Anonymous said...

4;27 you no doubt a member as decribed in an earlier posting a member of the entitlement society.

Anonymous said...

To 4:27 from "wondering" where the money will come from. Good. We agree.
You are talking about the capital money that was in the bonds approved for 119.5 million. That was not the teachers union fault but it was Steve Walts and Christa's fault. I was talking about the budget that pays salaries and services and supplies. That is what will be impacted by the new contract. Where will the money come from for that? I think it is in the fund already and is undisclosed. *Spoiler alert*
Miraculously after the contract is approved by both parties there will be sufficient funds as the super pulls them out of a hat. Or failing that, we will have to cut programs and services and staff. That means probably support staff...it always does.

Anonymous said...

4:35, I’ll go along with everything your saying as being true. That said, your going to have to look long and hard to find ANYONE that is sympathetic to the “plight” of Greece teachers. Their mistreatment by administration, while unfortunate, comes with a very lucrative salary/benefit package for GTA members. People feeling bad for anyone making $80k a year for a ½ year worked, plus the bennies, plus the ridiculous additional days off allowed, is not easy to come by. Again, the original post at 11:18 pointed out how the administration doesn’t concern itself with kid’s behavior issues. My question (again) is when and where does the GTA march and picket on THAT issue? When and where does the GTA march on the millions of dollars wasted on school of choice, rather than invested into education (which by the way is about to cost some of your GTA members their job)? The bottom line is they don’t do any of this… do they?!?! My God, it wasn’t very long ago when potential school uniforms/acceptable attire were a hot topic in our district, in hope that it would aid in students focusing on education. Some of the biggest complainers of such policy WERE TEACHERS! Money, benefits and even more money… that is your GTA!

SCATS said...

In summary, GTA's President fails to complain about student discipline issues, discrimination, retaliatory administrative practices, job losses, and a host of other complaints made by teachers. Instead, he uses his time at monthly BOE meetings to complain about the lack of a new contract. It makes it hard for the rest of us to sympathize with teachers and their work-related problems.

Anonymous said...

Can someone tell me what increase GTA is asking for? I haven't heard of any monetary figures. a lot of you are always saying that all you hear about is GTA asking for more money. I don't go to the board meetings so maybe someone can shed some light. Thanks

Anonymous said...

If I am correct, the reason why GTA has so many "Ridiculous additional days off" is because of the settlements that the District has had to make in lieu of patments to the GTA. It seems the district has a tendency not to follow the contract and when GTA calls them on it and wins in arbitration the District cries broke and gived these things away. Blame your BOE. They have to pass these contracts

Anonymous said...

Good teachers no doubt are embarassed by their union.
It is too bad. I truly feel sorry for them, yet they and only they are going to fix it.

george hubbard said...

SCATS, Please disregard if this is a duplicate... I did not see a banner showing transmission from first send.
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GTA LEADERSHIP RELEASE TIME... SOME PERSPECTIVE.

1. GTA leadership release time amounts to 1.0 FTE (Full Time Equivalent) annually – one teacher is released from work with no accountability for anything in return.

2. Here is an estimate of cost: Salary = $73K (e.g. 15yrs experience, step 16), benefits at 25% = $18K, comparable replacement (sal + benef) = $60K. Note: Replacement probably not a fill-in substitute. Total cost to GCSD... approx. $150,000 for one year.

Q#1: How does this cost compare to other GCSD costs... and revenues for 2010-11?

2. Using GCSD figures from “THE CONNECTION BUDGET EDITION” mailed in May:

2a. CONNECTION pg 2 says, $360,000 for local taxpayer share to purchase 27 buses. $150,000 for GTA release time equals 41% of local share on 27 buses... or 100% share on 11.2 buses.

2b. CONNECTION pg 2 says, $155,000 cut to interscholastic and modified athletics. $150,000 GTA release time equals 97% of funds cut in athletics.

2c. CONNECTION pg 2 says, $185,000 cut from Young Audiences, Assets, and Pathways to Literacy. $150,000 GTA release time equals 81% of funds cut for these programs.

2d. CONNECTION pg 1 says, “Average Greece homeowner would pay $150 more in school taxes next year...” So, $150,000 GTA release time equals sum total of school tax increase for 1,000 average homeowners in Greece.

3. Perhaps these perspectives will give insight into the priorities of BOE members... who vote to approve a new GTA contract with provision for leadership release time.

Q#2: Ask yourself, "Will approval to continue GTA release time give Greece voters yet another reason to believe their money is not well spent... and defeat the school budget next year?"
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Charlie Hubbard said...

to 6:01
Just so you know the position paper for the union and the district 'can' be made public.

I had this confirmed by the attornies when I was representing the board at negociations 4 years go.
The key word is CAN be made public.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com
775-6015

Anonymous said...

exactly right 6:07. Teachers don't report on snow days due to a grievance they lost over a contract violation.

Anonymous said...

to 6:07 am and 1:47 pm

you can thank Dr. Deb Hoeft for that one. How did she get her doctorate? It wouldn't be another doctorate that Greece has funded would it?

Anonymous said...

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."
Ayn Rand

Scats, don't you think that the BOE and Administration live by this?

SCATS said...

To 5:21PM ~~ I'm not familiar with that particular quote. In my home, I preach that not deciding is choosing to let others decide your fate for you.

I think our BOE & administration hope to keep avoiding having to make the TOUGH decisions for fear of upsetting the loud special interest groups who will tear them a new one. I see it more as an issue of cowardice, a character deficit.

Anonymous said...

Those Hubbard boys are just a hoot and a hooler. Are they twins, are they only one person?

SCATS said...

To 1:58PM ~~ What the heck is a "hooler"?

Charlie Hubbard said...

Scats;are you aware if anything is being done about the 'sick leave' provision of the contract - page 35 as it was identified as a problem early on.
The board approved a goal of 2% absenteeism in 2006. This section of the contract would need to change to address that goal.
If the readers of this blog want to get ill, read this section - you won't believe it.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ I haven't heard a word about sick leave, sorry to say.

Anonymous said...

Charlie,
When was the sick leave increased to this many days? This wasn't another give away by the Administration and the BOE to settle yet another arbitration award was it? Reducing the monetary award for contract provisions. Again, it is not the "powerful union" that enacted these things. It is the Administration and the BOE that voted to approve them! Am I correct on that? I don't believe the GTA Union has a vote for approving contracts!?!

Charlie Hubbard said...

6:16 you are absolutly right. I have never blaimed the union for any of these stupid parts to the contract - I do however wonder where this type of stupidity comes from.
The most important thing is that it get fixed.
This particular item affects both cost and quality - therefore BOTH parties should be on board to fix it. If it does not get fixed then BOTH parties should be and will be chastized for it.