Friday, June 25, 2010

Starting Opposition To Triborough ...

   
Anonymous said...

This link gives a good clear explanation of the triborough amendment and why it should be repealed. Maybe we should find out if there is a grassroots effort to get this repealed since the school boards are not interested ; most of them were endorsed by teachers unions. Same goes for the state assembly and senate members. They are either democrats and backed by unions or republicans and don't know which way to vote until they get a reading from their astrologer. Here is the address. (If there is no one that has started opposition to triborough let's start it here)

http://www.stopthetaxshift.org/employee-relations/25-triborough-amendment

6/25/2010 6:50 PM

SCATS ~~ The political party doesn't really seem to mean much or matter, since most of the politicians around here are a bunch of disloyal party-flippers. I think all of them fear the unions, instead of fearing the rest of us who should vote them out of office for doing nothing about the status quo.
  

15 comments:

Charlie Hubbard said...

Every - EVERY elected official and school board member should be held accountable if they are not speaking out forcefully on this item.
THIS item is the reason contracts have been and continue to be nothing but 'give/aways' of taxpayers $$.
This is the reason why NO educational improvement for our kids via accountability are part of that 'give/away'.
I encourage all readers to look at page 34 (release time) and page 35 (absenteeism) of the gta contract to get an understanding of how BAD things have gotten - to get an idea of the disrespect shown to taxpayers.
Thanks to the Tribourgh amendment to the Taylor law and elected officials at all levels failing to address this item taxpayers and our kids will continue to pay.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com
775-6015

Anonymous said...

Facts are accurate, but it's only half the story. What about strikes? What about two-for-one penalties?

SCATS said...

To 9:45AM ~~ I'm not familiar with "two-for-one penalties" .. what are they?

About strikes, I think maybe it's time to get rid of unions from education. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

two for one: if an employee strikes one day he can be fined two days of pay. Scats, the only way to get rid of unions is for the Town or School District to go bankrupt - all contracts are void and you can start negotiating all over. The Town is still stuck with "give me's" in their contracts from the Don Riley era. Charlie Hubbard is right on this issue.

Anonymous said...

This amendment was added to the NY Civil Service law section 209 A section lower case (e) which says that the employer is guilty of wrongdoing if they do not sustain present terms of a contract when there is an impasse in contract negotiations. Some quid pro quo originally to make public employees like garbage pickup and teachers not go on strike. If they go on strike they have to pay a penalty of 2 days wage for each day on strike. (teachers had to pay this when they went on strike for a short time in Buffalo in
2000)
So that sentence in the law says nothing about step increases but they are included in whatever the present contract is. People at the top step will get no more increases in salary until there is a new contract that gives that. Teachers that stay on a step will not get an increase until they move up a step. We all know that.
So the idea of keeping the present status quo seemed good on the surface, but when steps are figured in the union does not have as much incentive to deal. Every other year the younger people get a raise.
Maybe the union wants the older teachers to retire. They are the only ones that are hurt by stagnancy. Hmmmm.
And does anyone know when steps were first added to the teachers contracts? Are steps a part of every contract such as private auto workers to calculate seniority or are they only in public employees contracts?
And why can't we give a pay freeze for all the rest of the school administration and other employees of Greece that do not have steps or are exempt from belonging to unions? Let's start with the superintendent and his assistant superintendents and move to the principals.

SCATS said...

To 2:21PM ~~ Thanks for the explanation. If we wait just a little longer, and if Uncle Dave in Albany passes any more mandates, taxes and budgetary wizardry along, we probably will be bankrupt fairly soon!

To 3:20PM ~~ Thank you also for the detailed explanation. I wasn't aware that anyone had step increases aside from teachers. That idea is an eye-opener for me!

Anonymous said...

Correction to the above about school board positions on this issue...
School Boards are VERY interested in and working for Triborough reform. Here are the official positions of the Monroe Co. School Boards Assoc. & the NYS School Boards Assoc.:

http://mcsba.org/legislative/positions/2010%20How%20NYS%20can%20help.pdf

http://www.nyssba.org/index.php?src=gendocs&ref=Position%20Statements10&category=advocacy_legislation
(X.1.)

And to 9:45am, there would be chaos if certain public employees like police, fire fighters, teachers, etc. went on strike... that's why the strike penalties are needed to protect the public.

SCATS said...

To 9:17PM ~~ Isn't it ironic that we have laws to prevent teachers from striking because of the "chaos" their absence in the classroom would create, BUT we give them a contract that permits absentee rates to be sky high without batting an eyelash?

Anonymous said...

9;17 The position of the "Greece school board" is?
Statements by the "Greece school board" came when?

Positions are nothing more than words if no action is taken.

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to what's going on in teacher's unions and school districts around the country. We are not alone although there does not seem to be anything like the perpetuation of a contract when a new one can be agreed upon like here in NY state.

http://www.aftexposed.com/blog/

SCATS said...

To 5:43PM ~~ Thanks for the link. I love how in Chicago they're going to sick the union's lawyers on the powers that be for laying off the worst performing teachers. If anything ever showed the teachers' true loyalties, I think that does.

Anonymous said...

It seems that except for Charlie and Scats from the number of comments here, changing the triborough is not a project that anyone cares to tackle. So be it.
Take a look at the GTA website. They devote lots of space to the early retirement options that may be offered to their senior members. The last message to the Greece board is from 2009 where the president is welcoming Boily and crew to the board (again?) and moaning about how other districts have come to a new contract for their teachers. Woe is he.
Their website sure isn't up to date when it comes to communication with the greece school board. Maybe they have given up. Good.

SCATS said...

To 8:09AM ~~ I disagree with your conclusion. I've received a number of email and some comments via Facebook, too ;)

Anonymous said...

I would love to see this amendment overturned but haven't a clue how to start. If there is a petition to sign and send to our legislators, please post it and let's see what level of support there really is. It seems we need to re-introduce real bargaining, not the contract talks under this limitation.

Anonymous said...

SCATS at 10:24 Then you have more to base your conclusion on than those that read this blog.
And a petition might look good but we need more clout than that. There has to be something like "hands across NY state" with our pockets hanging out to show the drain on finances that taxes are taking. Or if we could have a statewide "put a candle in the window" to make the system fair. We could have a ceremony to plant the money trees we will need to pay our exorbitant NY state and property taxes. We need one of the state politicians to get on the bandwagon to reform. Our local ones do not seem interested. It is far off their radar. They are not sure how to vote on issues that someone else did the work on, let alone start an initiative.
Possibly if a group was upset enough and did all the background work and looked good for the media and lobbied, one of the local pretty boys might get interested.