Monday, June 28, 2010

Arbitrator: Greece Erred In Schamerhorn Demotion

  
June 22nd ruling says Town of Greece erred in establishing an open-ended demotion to patrolman for Schamerhorn following his botching of the Nick Joseph accident investigation. Arbitrator orders town to restore Schamerhorn to a rank of sergeant a year after his demotion, which means he could be returned to his previous rank later this summer.

Schamerhorn's lapses are characterized as “neglect of duty and nonfeasance” that were “violations of Department rules regarding performance of duties” and not a deliberate attempt to cover-up, as the Town has contended.

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SCATS ~~ BEWARE LADIES! If this cop ever pulls you over, call 911 and ask that they send out a Monroe County Sheriff's Deputy to handle the situation. He's known to enjoy roughing up women.
 
Anonymous said...

Here is what to watch for next:

The Town does NOT have to follow the arbitrators ruling if they don't want to in cases involoving police officers. They can stay with the demotion and have the officer file with a state court for a ruling....

Lets see what the Town does next.    6/28/2010 7:41 PM

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I like how you can insult a man with rumor and try to ruin the reputation of a man who has done nothing to you. I don't know Schamerhorn or any other GPD officers, but that is just a low, petty comment to make.

Anonymous said...

I can think of many men who would call Schamerhorn a damn good cop and one of the best sergeants GPD ever had.

I know he's a man I'd trust covering my back. I can't think of many other GPD cops or bosses I'd trust in that position.

SCATS said...

To 3:45PM ~~ It's not an insult. It's a factual part of his work history, recounted during the Rahn mess.


To 4:26PM ~~ Would you trust him covering your wife's back? THAT is the question ;)

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me, this has been cop should of been fired! I still can't believe he was on the police payroll after hearing everything on what he did and what he did not do during the accident, (which the "not do's" were greater). Any 13 yr. old would of had more common sense on what needed to be done at that accident than what Schamerhorn did do.

This poor excuse of a police officer should be doing security at one of those empty warehouse buildings in the city.

Auberger should just give this guy a bunch of blank checks from the Town of Greece's checking account, then he can settle any future lawsuits while he is tormenting some poor woman for not wearing her seatbelt.

The town should just take the hit and fire this guy, buy him out because he will cost us a great deal more with future lawsuits.

You should of seen and heard this clown on the stand when Parinello asked about how much the town paid out for that woman who he beaten. He was pretty proud of himself when he corrected Parinello on the dollar amount with that dumb smirk on his face.

As for 3:45 and 4:26:
You can have this clown cover your back, I bet in a short time you will start to have nightmares over it.

Chuck Male

Anonymous said...

3:45 :
Reputation: Do you even read. Maybe you ought to put a contact number out so the Father of the woman who he pulled over could contact you. He called me and told me what his daughter went through and how the Town settled on a lawsuit for the beating that Schamerhorn gave her. Maybe you might feel differently when you hear a Father describe how his daughter got her arm broken by this sick puppy who happens to be wearing a badge and carries a gun!

Chuck Male

Anonymous said...

4:26:
You say "that many men would call Schamerhorn a damn good cop and one of the best sergeants GPD ever had";

Well name them!

I can't think of anyone that testified during Rahn's trial that would of said that.

Chuck Male

Anonymous said...

I bet Chuck Norris thinks Schamerhorn is a damn good cop.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Freddy Kruger too!

Anonymous said...

Here is what to watch for next:

The Town does NOT have to follow the arbitrators ruling if they don't want to in cases involoving police officers. They can stay with the demotion and have the officer file with a state court for a ruling....
Lets see what the Town does next.

Anonymous said...

Schamerhorn's lack of investigation into the Joseph accident was the status-quo when it came to motor vehcile accident investigations for years in Greece under Rahn. There were several fatal accidents where no reconstructions were done.

He is well liked by many police officers in Greece and was not even close to being part of the problem when Rahn ran the show.

SCATS said...

To 7:48PM ~~ Like I say a lot on here: "THE STATUS QUO HAS GOT TO GO!"

God help us if he has a cheerleading squad within the dept. His record speaks for itself. I truly believe most other PD's with any esteem at all would have rid themselves of him months ago! To me, he's proof GPD isn't as clean as it should be.

Anonymous said...

Schammerhorn is a psychopath. Textbook sicko who preys on defenseless woman for his cheap thrills.

I for one am glad he's still there. That gives us one more shot to hang Auberger on him. Keep him going Johnny, he's bound to "feel" the need to violate another woman soon enough.

I hope it's Auberger's daughter this time.

Bastards.

SCATS said...

To 7:58PM ~~ I debated about whether or not to post your comment. Technically, the person in question could be correctly characterized by the labels you chose based upon factual info from his past. I'm letting the comment stand, but I'm warning everyone again that name-calling isn't something you should engage in if you want to ensure your comment sees the light of day.

By the way, I'm not looking to engage in a discussion over my decision either, so please don't bother with the nasty comments. They won't be posted.

Anonymous said...

7:58, Can you tell us how you really feel?

Damn, I don't think that I would want anyone I knew around you.

Schamerhorn has got issues but to wish what you have on Augie's daughter is pretty harsh!

I guess this is one of those times when Augberger needs to show that he is the Town Supervisor and be the boss of the GPD and ignore the Arbitrator's decision. If a legal battle is the outcome, then so be it.
I, being a tax payer in Greece would feel more comfrotable in knowing my money is going for a better cause other than that high ticket report that is going to be edited and released after July 6th..
Mr. Augberger, it's up to you now, show us that you can change and do the right thing for our Town.

Anonymous said...

Chuck let me begin by offering you a very old saying among cops.
A jury has the luxury of spending days deciding if a decision a cop made and acted on in less than a second was correct.

You were a Juror, not a cop. You were honestly fed only the information Team Green wanted fed to you, told when to pee and eat by the Judge, and given only a very small bit of several people's view of an incident that happened in less than 10 seconds, and then instructed as to how you should consider that information. You did the job you were allowed and told to do.

The reality is that technology exists today to make and maintain an actual unalterable record of what a stret cop sees and hears. I assure you it will be a cold day in hell when Police Agencies in this County employ it. GPD for many years had video equipment capable of recording any and all "interviews" in both precincts, and denied the existance of that equipment. Department policy under Phelon was to absolutely NOT install video recording equipment because Phelon wanted no records other than those written up post interview. Video is hard to change.

Most of the cops still working the street are carrying a recorder of their own, generally Sony digital for their protection. I carry an Olympus, it's smaller and I have to speak with bosses. I'll not extend my comments on that for reasons I choose to not disclose. I am aware of at least 2 Agency heads in this county who are bouncing off the wall trying to get a reliable recorder detector for their personal use, and would preferr to only talk to nakid people. Neither has any idea camera systems exist in pens that can transmitt 300 feet to a recorder.

As to Schamerhorn's actions at the joseph accident scene, I remain unaware of the elapsed time between the crash and Schamerhorn arriving on scene. From memory, Joseph was being followed by a woman who also left the scene and Schamerhorn may have concluded she drove the unknown driver (at that time) to a hospital. Schamerhorn did NOT have facts at the time he arrived on scene, he had a job to deal with. GPD definitely had lax operational procedures at that point in time, even though Greece taxpayers had paid Deb Dwyer to sit in an office over a year writing a complete manual of operations supposedly setting forth procedures for every possible situation. That manual was barely printed and issued when word came down how the book was to be used.

That is not an unusual situation for any Police Department.

As previously stated, Schamerhorn is a damn good cop. He is a cop of his time, and a demonstration of what was known as Officer Presence when he came on the job. When Schamerhorn walks into a barfight and says 5 words the majority of people in the fight discontinue and wait for instructions. Do you think some of the new lightweights GPD has on the street get that reaction?

Scats ""To 4:26PM ~~ Would you trust him covering your wife's back? THAT is the question ;)""

Absodamnlutely. If my wife called and said she had to drive through the ghetto on Clinton and Schamerhorn was accompaning her I'd be glad. If my wife was lit up on the road by a copcar I'd hope it was a cop of Schamerhorn's experience and skill. My wife is intelligent enough to comply with police orders in a correct and legal fashion, and smart enough to know disagreements between a cop and a civilian are handled at Pro Standards or in Court. She damn sure won't get mouthy with a cop on the street.

I could give you the name of a now retired GPD Sgt that scared the crap out of me because of the way he worked under Swine 1s administration. I won't post it because 2 of his kids are on the job and they are both decent cops.

SCATS said...

To 12:34AM ~~ Even if I were to accept everything you stated as is, you haven't said anything about how you view or justify Schamerhorn's past record. He did wrong, more than once. We've paid for those situations. For the record, I'm not the kind of person who would get mouthy with a cop. I was raised to respect them as authority figures. However, you've already shown that trusting a cop these days is a different story by your mention of cops wearing recorders, etc. to protect themselves from each other even.

If Schamerhorn can't handle a woman who gets "mouthy" what's he going to do when confronted with a civilian who starts to get physical? Shoot them? These guys are supposedly trained in ways to defuse stressful situations. What evidence is there that he put his training to use?

Anonymous said...

Hoping that any woman is violated or abused is a sick, sick demented thing. Your comment about about wishing this on any woman no matter who it is is simply disgusting. SCATS, you of all people should at least delete that portion of that sickos comment. Things are getting out of control here with some of your posters and I hope you bring it back to a more appropriate level.

SCATS said...

To 8:36AM ~~ I don't agree with that portion of the comment either. It did serve to catch your attention though. I'm waiting for someone to say that keeping this guy on our "cleaned up" PD is "out of control, sick and demented."

Can anyone explain to me how it is that Schamerhorn not only has a job, but will get his rank back when Brian Ball is fired with NO CHARGES standing against him? How is this possible??

SCATS said...

UPDATE ~~ Today's paper mentions these two tidbits of potential interest:

1 - "Town officials have yet to decide whether to challenge the ruling."

2 - " ... Schamerhorn has been with the department for 27 years — 10 as a sergeant — and prior to June 2008 had only one reprimand."

Anonymous said...

Gotcha on letting the comment slide SCATS. Until then give this sick and disgusting commenter a venue to encourage physical abuse against women. Not quite sure I see or agree with your intention to help that person out who is hopeful that a man abuses a woman, but you're the boss here and I'm sure you have your reasons for allowing this type of stuff here.

SCATS said...

To 9:20AM ~~ Oh puh-leeze! I'm taken aback by your self-righteous attitude over a written comment in contrast with the fact you have NOTHING to say about Schamerhorn who happens to be the topic, has his own record of abusing women and in a position to work with members of the community!

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration is rejecting publishing a comment that serves no purpose other than to trash a named individual who has performed an invaluable civic duty. People like YOU create the need for BLOGs like this one!

PS ~~ Do yourself a favor & don't bother complaining about my editorial discretion.

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Anonymous said...

The Scammer horn deal just more of the same. Most Cops think their life worth more than yours. Its us Vs. Them. Civilians are the enemy, the end justifies the means and it aint just in Greece. Is the job you do difficult sometimes sure, dangerous, sometimes. But YOU signed on the dotted line and took the money and the pension so if you dont have what it takes to admit that one of your own is a POS then turn in the tin and get another job. Oh and it is always good to socialize with people who are not other Cops. You might just find out how us people you supposedly "Protect and Serve" really look at you.

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration deleted the comment posted by 12:14PM for name-calling.

SCATS said...

To 12:34PM ~~ You mean "To Serve & Protect" meant us and not each other??

I'd say most of the same things about teachers, too.

Anonymous said...
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SCATS said...

BLOG Administration deleted the comment posted by 1PM for name-calling.

Can you tell that school is out? ;)

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration is rejecting publishing a comment about a named individual that might have made the cut had it been made on a relevant thread. Was someone testing me?

Anonymous said...

SCATS---It must be nice to be able to censor anything you don't agree with/don't have a retort for.

SCATS said...

To 3:43PM ~~ Actually, I like the challenge of a good discussion. I refuse to allow people to post racist remarks, engage in gay-bashing or attempt a character assassination on someone from the private sector without any provocation.

Anonymous said...

Bravo scats at 5:34.
But I hope you wouldn't allow any of those remarks even with provocation LOL.

SCATS said...

To 5:43PM ~~ I'm vehemently opposed to racism in all its forms. Gay-bashing is a similar activity and I'm not tolerating it. The whole issue of individual "character" and what's going to be allowed is largely dependent upon the person's name recognition within the community. People who run for office, command among the largest salaries in the public sector in the county (like our Supt. does), make themselves famous one way or another are going to be open to a broader scale of ongoing criticism and scrutiny than Joe Blow who ran for office, lost and went back to being a bean counter. It's a judgement call, I know. So far, I think I've handled it pretty well in 98+% of the cases.

Anonymous said...

RE: 12:34 or should I say, "007".

Wow, you are justifying Schamerhorn's few mis-deeds to just a bad day and having a female civilian get mouthy.
Well, being a teacher now a days is not exactly a position that you get a good deal of respect. I can see it now, if a student say's, F.U., then it be alright for me to hit him or her. If they say they are going to kick my a _ _, then I should be able to break their arm. Hmmm, I like the idea but I think if you are really a cop then you be putting the cuffs on me some day.

Anonymous said...

Sorry SCATS etal, I am not conversant with the single sustained complaint against Schamerhorn (which I beleive is what you all are referring to as woman beating) so I can't honestly comment on it.

I can however comment on the violence of females in confrontational situations. I'd rather bring in 3 250 pound male drunks who want to fight than deal with 1 pissed off angry 100# female who doesn't want to comply with the program. I have had both experiences in the past.

I'll also tell you any male on female (only a term folks) angry interaction of a police nature will go badly very fast, and agter 3 decades I have yet to see any 1 on 1 training program that works out favorably. Females do not follow any rules or projections in a confrontation, and about the best thing I've ever seen used was a blanket rapidly deployed over the female followed by bringing her to the ground. Trust me, heals and pointed toe shoes hurt like hell and females pretty much all know how to use them.

For the person purporting to be a teacher, NY Penal Law is on your side. I suggest you become acquainted with
§ 35.10 Justification; use of physical force generally.
The use of physical force upon another person which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal under any of the following circumstances:
1. A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent person, and a teacher or other person ntrusted with the care and
supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it
necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such person.

I'll bet no school administrator or Union rep ever told you about that section.

SCATS said...

To 1:03AM ~~ That "single sustained complaint" came after a long string of similar complaints all made by women, who Schamerhorn had a record of pulling over in record numbers (compared to men). This synopsis pretty much tells the story:

Let's take Tom Schamerhorn first. He was the subject of 13 separate complaints earlier in his career that involved him engaging in virtually identical conduct with 13 separate female victims. In each, traffic stops against women ended with him wrestling the women to the ground and inflicting some sort of injury on them. The pattern of conduct came to light when one of the women made a fuss and an eventual settlement was reached.

At that point, the Greece Police Department went through Tom Schamerhorn's records, found the pattern of conduct, took him off the road and went through a disciplinary process that included a psychological evaluation and an arbitrator. The evaluation said that the conduct would continue but the arbitrator said that he had to be put back out on the road, and after a year and a half he was.

Supervisors noted that while women comprise less than 20 percent of the people pulled over for traffic violations nationally, more than half of the vehicles Tom Schamerhorn pulled over were driven by females. After that, a program of close supervision was created which required him to log and report every citizen contact he had.

Since then, there have been no complaints of that nature against him.


FROM: http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=2590&go=4

Anonymous said...

You're citing the same Lonsberry article that states "My opinion is that the DA's investigation is not going to turn up a conspiracy within the department, at least not one reaching above the level of patrol sergeant" and " John Auberger is an honorable man. He has been an excellent leader of the town of Greece?" And Lonsberry is claiming "Schamerhorn had 13 separate incidents with women?" What's his source? This article is downright horrible and shows that Lonsberry never had a sense of what went in Greece.

SCATS said...

To 1:44PM ~~ I'm citing that article because of it's concise synopsis of the problems reported by various media related to Schamerhorn's record. I'm not speaking to any other portions of Lonsberry's rant.

SCATS said...

Here's another article that recaps some of his problems with women he stopped:

http://femininsight.wordpress.com/

"According to a May 2 article (2009) on the Democrat and Chronicle Web site, a Hilton woman has filed a lawsuit against the town of Greece following several incidents involving a particular officer who happens to be under a great deal of speculation in regards to another Greece Police scandal.

“On Thursday, Holly A. Manville sued Sgt. Thomas Schamerhorn, now-suspended Police Chief Merritt Rahn, and the town of Greece, among others, in federal court. Manville claims Schamerhorn used excessive force and fondled her during traffic stops,” according to the Democrat and Chronicle.

The article goes on to say that Schamerhorn allegedly kicked Manville’s feet out from beneath her during a traffic stop in October 2004 and then fondled her during a traffic stop in June 2007.

According to the article, another woman filed a lawsuit against the town in 2001. In this incident, Elia Visconte alleged that she needed surgery on her wrists following a traffic stop in 2000 during which she was handcuffed by Schamerhorn. A settlement was reached and the town of Greece paid Visconte over $200,000."

Anonymous said...

And that source states, "there are no female police officers in Greece,"
which is untrue. All I am trying to say, is even with your disdain toward GPD, I appreciate your blog. It gives some good insight into the town. I just don't think you should use sources that are giving out false information.

SCATS said...

To 2:36PM ~~ I don't know if GPD had any female officers at the time in question, not that it matters. How many women should he be allowed to abuse? THAT is the question?

Anonymous said...

SCATS, based solely on your Looserberry representations I have to conclude the activity in question occurred more than 10 years ago given the reference to Patrolman.

That established, I'd honestly have to say the conduct wasn't all that unusual for a male street cop with 15± years on the job. Some people cannot deal with their home situations at home and releive their frustration at work. I'd also have to say Schamerhorn was following a pattern & practice established by another GPD Sgt, and condoned by Swine 1 who never had a problem with "a broad getting what she had coming". I have personally seen the referenced Sgt pile into the back seat of a vehicle at Shallers and drag a 90# woman barely out of her teens out in cuffs after using far more force than necessary to make his point. At that incident 3 GPD officers stood by doing croud control while the boss demonstrated his technique. The theory of policing was to "show the public GPD didn't take s#!* off punks.".
I wrote a Memo: and forwarded it outside of GPD channels along with the plate number of the vehicle the woman was dragged from and the car #s of GPD vehicles at the scene. I was later told the woman chose to not make an issue of the incident, and to keep my nose out of GPD issues and procedures by my then boss. I wrote a Memo detailing that I had been ordered to keep my nose out of GPD issues and requested my then boss to sign it. Oddly he declined.

Sad to say, but GPD along with damn near every other police department leaves a lot to be desired. Delivery rarely matches promise and seldom comes close to what is possible.

The excuse that cops are people just doesn't float. As a bud of mine says a cop has a useful work life of 3 years while he is productive and still believes what he learned in the academy. After 3years he's concerned about his mortgage and excessive spending and knows what he can get away with. It's true.

Governmental bodies do NOT hire cops who have high intelligence, they hire cops who will follow the program and not ask questions. The Police do not exist to protect the public, they exist to protect government. The job has been reduced to one of report writing and paid entertainment in large degree.

SCATS said...

To 2:54PM ~~ There are other articles about various incidents. I chose the Lonsberry article because it seemed to summarize the pattern of behavior all in one place.

Even one person abused by a cop is one too many, regardless whether they are male or female. I try extra hard to keep my way clear of cops for this reason.

SCATS said...

BLOG Administration has rejected a comment because it is too preposterous and inaccurate to post.

Anonymous said...

2:54 Are you condoning the abuse that sShamerhorn inflicted on the young woman at Shaller's since you say that was the standard operating procedure of all the police at that time? I hope not.

SCATS said...

The fascinating thing about this sudden outpouring of support for Schamerhorn is that NO ONE said anything much about Lonsberry or the other references when I posted them at the time they were "news" a year or more ago. Suddenly, everyone has issues with the sources. As far as I'm aware, the Town of Greece only settles lawsuits that they either know they can't win or that they don't want a lot of media attention on. Either way, Schamerhorn has a past of reprehensible behavior that none of you can justify and the sources don't matter, especially since the settlement agreement is posted for all to read.

Anonymous said...

Schamerhorn was not the GPD Sgt involved at the Schallers incident.

I probably could have phrased that better in the original posting.