Sunday, May 30, 2010

Achramovitch: Property Tax Cap Could Be "Catastrophic" For GCSD

"We have increasing costs that are not driven by district decisions. And if you're going to have a property tax cap, we're going to have to have a relief mechanism as well." ~~ Supt. Steve Achramovitch

D&C article examines resistance to school property tax cap idea


Anonymous said...

The article said the teachers union was fighting it which means we want it.
A cap of no more than cpi would send a message to districts about there spending adiction.

Anonymous said...

I read the story in the D&C. It would be very interesting to look as Massachusetts to see what expenses have actually been constrained with their tax cap. Has it limited the programs, the equipment, the activities that directly involve student education, or has it limited the transportation, the benefit packages and salary growth in administration costs? Any way to find out, D&C? Seems like a good follow-up question...

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the real world, Stevie. I hate it that my income has been capped for the last several years while "increasing costs ... are not driven by" my decisions.

Exactly what "relief mechanism" am I given? Do your job and quit whining.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should all be whining about the fact that the well off are not suffering anywhere near the extent of the rest of us. Shutting up and accepting injustice (like the inevitability of catastrophic environmental events to feed oil company profits) is just what keeps that system in place

Anonymous said...

DO NOT CAP ANY TAX; at least not as a first step. If any cap is to be imposed, it should be a cap on spending. We can work out the best taxing options after that cap has been implemented.

To Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Duffy and friends: At the state level you can START by removing barriers to cost control (the Taylor law comes to mind). You can and should also use the power of the bully pulpit to offset the powerful voice of the teacher's unions. Other states with financial problems have put local school boards on notice that future state aid increases would be limited and those increases would be based on measurable student performance improvements.

New York state needs to take a similar stance.

Tom Kackmeister


Anonymous said...

No, let's just keep blaming the teacher's union; teachers are SO well paid they fall on the list of the top 10 LOWEST paying jobs...

Anonymous said...

2:50- Huh? What does that have to do with this blog or thread? Quit trying to deflect the point that Steve (an ex-teacher) and the union (full of teachers) with to continue to perpetuate their uncapped cash cow of a system despite the fact almost every other facet of society has its' income based on product quality, open competition and consumer demand.

It is the very reason that Charter Schools have the potential of rocking NY education to it's very core and another reason why public school officials and unions hate them.

SCATS said...

To 8:04AM ~~ Could you please provide a link to show us? I'd especially like to see any study that shows that's true in NY. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

I'm not 8:04, but here you go. I believe Greece has an even lower starting salary than the one listed here...

SCATS said...

To 11:23AM ~~ Thank You! Actually, they have listed "Elementary Education" separately, saying: " (starting annual salary: $33,000; mid-career annual salary: $42,400)
Specializing in elementary education means a lower median salary than an education degree (number 7)." Doesn't Greece start at $33,000?

The listing for item 7 reads: "Education (starting annual salary: $36,200; mid-career annual salary: $54,100)
For the right people, teaching is an immensely rewarding career--and it's truly a noble one. The good news is, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the employment opportunities for primary, secondary, and special education teachers are expected to grow by 14 percent in the coming decade. And there will be plenty of new opportunities in continuing education for adults, as professional skill requirements change ever more rapidly."

So here's the rub for those who complain about their pay in teaching: Didn't you bother to research your earning/advancement potential BEFORE choosing a career that pays so "little?" And where else can you work a job that pays so well for only 185 days/year? Many of the other low paying jobs listed are salaries that are based upon a full year.

Anonymous said...

Scats you wrote - "So here's the rub for those who complain about their pay in teaching: Didn't you bother to research your earning/advancement potential BEFORE choosing a career that pays so "little?" And where else can you work a job that pays so well for only 185 days/year? Many of the other low paying jobs listed are salaries that are based upon a full year."

Wait a minute Scats. You can't play both sides of the fence here. You have criticized teachers for using the the same theory. I have seen it this site. Many people, and you, complain about the teachers make way too much money, when they have a job that pays much less. When the teachers' response is "then get a degree and become a teacher" you crush them. I am confused by your response?

george hubbard said...


GTA Agreement dated 7/01/04 continues in effect and reads for level and salary:














It is expected employees will advance one level each year.

Growth after 5yrs = $43K/$35K = 22.9%

Growth after 10 yrs = $58K/35K = 65.7%
Monroe County School Boards Association booklet “FACTS & FIGURES 2010” shows median salary and median years of teaching experience:


#1...$60.4K...10 yrs

#2...$58.2K...11 yrs

#3...$58.0K....9 yrs - Greece C.S.D.

#4...$57.3K...12.4 yrs

#5...$56.1K...10.5 yrs

#17..$48.5K... 8 yrs

SCATS, does this help?

SCATS said...

To Geo Hubbard ~~ PERFECT TIMING, thank you!

To 8:31PM ~~ WHOA!! Hold onto your horse there a minute, Tonto. My statement included a key phrase: "... for those who complain about their pay in teaching ..."
That statement doesn't mean that I agree ;) Please refer to the table Mr. Hubbard so kindly provided.

Anonymous said...

If I understand Mr Hubbard's table correctly, it says that Greece is third highest average salary with 9 years' avg experience. If the teachers had 10 or 11 years' experience(given the 6% increase per year) Greece's avg salary would be even more than the #2 and #1 district. That would make Greece, in one measure, the best paying district in the county. If we are in fact at or near the top in salary, where is the concern? Well, maybe the concern should be that we are not getting educational performance as measured by the standardized tests, which put us near the bottom.