Tuesday, March 23, 2010

OMG! A Head-Banger Moment!

 
The BOE  DESPERATELY Needs A Parliamentarian!

Some BOE members believe (erroneously!) that once they vote and adopt a resolution that they can never change that thing in the future!

KUDOS TO FRANK OBERG! ~~ He recognized that if it was "inappropriate" for the BOE to vote to close WR kindergarten enrollment tonight to save money on hiring more teachers ("because it is the administration's job"), then it was equally inappropriate to tell the Supt. to re-open enrollment at WR back in February!
   
It is quite clear that our BOE circus posse majority believes that the special interests must be protected from logic and the budget ax ... no matter the cost!

PREPARE FOR A 7.7% INCREASE ON THE TAX LEVY (6.8% tax rate increase) ... and for a budget that is defeated at the polls!
     

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Question of the day:

When we vote down the budget, what will the contingency budget look like?

I thought I heard somewhere that contingency budgets can be no more that some cost of loving adjustment from the past years budget. If the proposed budget is actually less than last years, will a contingency budget be larger than the one we vote down??

SCATS said...

To 8:54PM ~~ Contingency budgets CAN BE LARGER than any defeated budget so long as it stays within certain parameters. They must remove all non-safety related equipment purchases, for example. However, they could put that equipment into a separate proposition, and if approved by voters, it would be in addition to any contingency amount. There are all sorts of ways they can finangle the numbers. Get ready to get reamed ;)

SCATS said...

By the way, I think the equipment included in this budget is only for safety issues to begin with. That was just an example I was using ;)

Anonymous said...

Cut $3,000,000 from bussing and that will give you a near ZERO tax increase.
Circus is an understatement. The same people who voted recently directing the super to reopen Westridge enrollment tonight are saying that should be the super's decission. Circus is an understatement.

Anonymous said...

It's painfully obvious that these people on the school board didn't run for office to operate Greece schools "appropriately." They got on the board to make friends with the special interests that call the shots!

Anonymous said...

A contingency budget amount cannot be any higher than the budget presented to voters.

SCATS said...

To 8:45AM ~~ I'm not sure that's true every time. Here's a good source for info on Contingency budgets:
http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/mgtserv/budgeting/contingency.html

Anonymous said...

8:45 Not if they present to the voters a budget that is less than that allowed by contingency ...whatever that is. But they never present a "less than contingency" to voters the first time. Greece has more caps than other districts for a contingency budget if the budget is defeated twice. (We are considered a higher spending district.) They would not chance a second defeated vote.
The board realizes by now that we are going to vote down any budget they present and then they will go to contingency. It is a slow dance repeated year after year.
It is the Paso doble. Ole!

Anonymous said...

GCSD needs to look to the West for a shining example of how to run a School District. Hilton just carved a huge chunk from spending by eliminating Marching Band. Just think, 150 or so kids deprived of Marchine Band aren't going to cause near as much trouble as dropping an athletic program. Their parents aren't likely to make much noise, and the newly remodeled music facilities can be mothballed.

GCSD could follow this lead by mothballing the Steinway. Then GCSD could start a marching band and cancell it. Better yet, start a marching Steinway band and cancell that.

SCATS said...

To 12:23PM ~~ Hilton reinstated the marching band during their board meeting yesterday evening. It was on the news. They must have been watching Greece ... parents and band members plus friends showed up to support band.

SCATS said...

According to WHEC's website, reinstatement comes with strings attached: "Aside from voters having to approve the budget, at least 75 students will have to sign up for Marching Band, and the Marching Band director will have to be a district employee."

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1481303.shtml?cat=566

Anonymous said...

Scats at 12:44
Hilton did indeed learn from Greece. They pulled out the big guns. One boy admitted that he could not be on the football team for his physical type or athletic inability we assume. But he could support the team through his marching and playing. Sniff sniff. We know how important to those football players are the boys in the band.
And a very charming and chipper young man that admitted he had asperger's spoke. His only fun was marching and playing in the band. What could the board do but give in.
Maybe there is a support group that helps others across the state when something is going to be cut. They tell which children will be the most effective in pulling heart strings so the teachers and parents get what they want.
If misery loves company then the taxpayers of Greece can feel united with those of Hilton in supporting frills and luxuries.

SCATS said...

To 3:09PM ~~ As Hilton learned from Greece, maybe it's time Greece learned from Hilton. I was appalled to hear that the WR kindergarten enrollment HAS NO STRINGS! The BOE "must" (not my word) keep enrollment open through the end of July to try to get a third section there. Talk about catering to the minority. This is one big symptom that makes Greece the Dysfunction Junction.

Anonymous said...

I guess now we know why all the quality people are leaving Greece... with these kinds of attitudes why would any decent person want to live here?

Anonymous said...

Scats
I thought the BOE tabled the motion about closing WR enrollment so that they could let the supt be the bad guy and close enrollment at 48.
Maybe I just didn't hear it right.

Anonymous said...

As I heard it the same board members who voted to leave enrollment open are NOW saying THAT should be the supers decission. WHAT?
This reminds me the board approving a policy mandating the firing of the hockey coach who violated the board policy THEN telling the super to hire him back.

If anyone can tell me WHAT this board believes in I would love to hear it.

Anonymous said...

To get a fix on the capability of this board just get a load of the lowest common denominator Smith and McCabe. It is amazing to me that these two can find their way home after the meetings. Oberg tells it straight and makes no apologies. Stengline seems sincere but listen to her and it is obvious that she has no clue and is being led around. I dont think Steve gives a rats a-- what happens after what the board did to him. I think that if the budget goes down which hope it does, the tax hike cannot exceed 2.5 percent over last year. 6:58 with the exception of Frank and Julia and possibly Dave this board believes in nothing, they are here at the beck and call of the chamber and rotary and their main job is to keep Greece CSD out of the papers period.

SCATS said...

To 6:15PM ~~ Well that got changed after they attempted to figure out how to operate as a BOE. They went to a break to try to figure out what they needed to do regarding Parliamentary procedures (they have NO clue!). They had this mistaken notion that if they adopt a resolution they can never change the action taken. That's just silly. Anyway, it finally came out that a month ago, they adopted a resolution to leave WR enrollment open through the end of July, no strings attached. WR gets to try to add teachers to bloat the budget when everyone else is getting their class sizes raised. Pathetic, isn't it? Worse yet, they tried to make Steve the bad guy and have their cake too. Thank God Oberg caught them on it & rubbed their noses in it.

Anonymous said...

Question:
if enough kids sign up to have a third K at WR, doesn't that mean that they were would need to be another teacher anyway?
If there are another 20 kids in the district and they choose WR, who cares? We still have to have a teacher, somewhere to teach them.
Closing enrollment at WR does not solve any issues within the district. A parent can still choose another signature school, and their child is still biased somewhere else than their home school.
Why not just leave enrollment open, see what happens, and if a full class fails to enroll then keep it at two. Open enrollment is "open" until July. Shouldn't it really be "open"?

SCATS said...

To 7AM ~~ Here's what Achramovitch did when he eliminated K @WR. He knew their home schools & put them in them, thereby reducing the number of teachers needed for next school year. The impact of those students was diluted among several buildings, thereby eliminating the need to add extra teachers. It allowed him to CUT TWO TEACHERS OVERALL! That was around $150,000 SAVED!

I can't believe that this long AFTER the bawling session with the BOE that you still haven't figured this out. Maybe it's because you are so BIASED, a word you brought up, though incorrectly used ;)

Anonymous said...

Oops there was a typo in my earlier post. Biased should have read BUSSED.

now that we have that cleared up, let's have a quick math session.
Currently 48 students signed up for K at WR.
IF the are equally distributed to the other K's in the district, that would add 8 students to each school.
A reasonable person could assume that these children are not equally weighted to all of the schools, so one or two could easily see double that.

DOES anyone, other than the supt (who you choose to believe only when it serves your purpose), believe that you could place these kids in the other schools without having to add a teacher or two at those schools?

Someone is going to have to teach those 48 students. Why not at WR.

Overall kindergarten enrollment is very difficult to predict because there is no good way for the district to get a good count of the kids who will attend until they have actualy registered. It's not like 1st grade where the enrollment becomes a function of the previous years K enrollment.

If they end with enough kids for 3 classes, so be it. If not, have two. Either way the district would have had to employ teachers to teach them, regardless of their physical location.

SCATS said...

To 1:41PM ~~ We can't do the math without knowing the number of sections in each building and how many students are in each section and how many is the maximum number allowed per section ... and so on. Of those 48 students, how many were accounted for BEFORE the ad campaign? Are they switching buildings or had they not applied for any K yet? See? There are dozens of questions & factors that go into this.

I'm pretty sure the Supt. had those numbers when he distributed those students to their "home schools." I'm also pretty sure that "biased" is the word that fits you best in presenting your argument ;) You need to accept the fact that schools-of-choice are likely living on borrowed time, having outlived the purpose for which they were designed ... unless you run an ad campaign that brings another 2000 students to Greece!

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 1:41
Make all the lame excusses you want - you haven't solved a thing other than getting your way. After you get your way comes the real test.
Hop right out there and try convincing taxpayers that in order for you to keep your fetish you want them to pay over 7% MORE in school tax next year. If you plan to go door to door try slaming your own door a few times so you'll be used to it.
With no significant changes to the insane amount of bussing we are doing taxpayers have every right to extend their middle finger straight up.
Of course you'll get what YOU want so who cares - right?

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com
775-6015

Anonymous said...

If only we could have closed kindergarten at WR.
THEN all of our woes would be cured.

Anonymous said...

Yes 8:18, if ALL THE PROBLEMS with the district can't be fixed with ONE MAGICAL change, then nobody should bother. Simple steps in the right direction (like closing kindergaten at WR) are nothing more than a waste of time and effort people becuase, well, it won't fix EVERYTHING. Geez, if only Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had used your logic 8:18, we'd only be what, maybe another century from ridding our country from rasism? His speach (by 8:18's thoughts) should have gone more like, "I have a dream, that one day we can all live in peace and harmony together. But until we as a people can be sure that no one will have any rasist beliefs at all, black Americans would prefer to just keep things the way they are now".

8:18 the fact is your a joke. The sooner you come out and admit that you want, what you want, regardless of the impact elsewhere, the more respectable you'd seem. You'll still be wrong mind you, but more respectable. Good day!

Anonymous said...

Equating the civil rights struggle of the sixties and Dr Martin Luther King to closing a kindergarten class at Westridge? Really????

SCATS said...

To 9:17AM ~~ LOTS OF DRAMA ;) I do think 9:15PM was being somewhat sarcastic.

By the way 9:15PM, it's spelled "racism." And just in case you aren't aware, it still exists in more places than I care to mention.

Anonymous said...

Why to dodge the point 9:17! LOL