Monday, March 08, 2010

He Said, They Said ...

  
PTA's Role In Greece Schools Debated

To: 9:33 AM ...
Parents were more involved with their child's education (12+ yrs. ago, pre-Walts). Parents would demand quality instruction and teachers in the buildings. PTA's were very active in Greece. PTA leaders would speak at BOE meetings and building's had active units.

Doug Skeet   3/06/2010 5:12 PM

SCATS said...
To Doug ~~ ... I think you made some great points ... though I disagree about PTA's involvement aside from fundraising and doing GTA's bidding for them.   3/06/2010 5:55 PM

SCATS ...
I am sorry you have the attitude you do about the PTA's. That maybe the way they are now but the PTA's in the 70's/ early 80's were very active and productive for education. They would hire educational speakers for the buildings and district wide meetings. In the buildings they would volunteer to supervise in the cafe, run the copy machine, room mothers, chaperone fieldtrips, activity nights, chaperone the four day Washington trip.

Did they fund raise? Yes! I NEVER allow students to go door to door to raise funds for the adults. Never. Adults had to raise money themselves. My eight graders, on a volunteer basis, could raise money by magazines sales for their own account for the Washington trip. That was it.

Doug   3/07/2010 6:30 PM

Doug at 6:30
Even during the 90's we also did all those wonderful things through the PTA at the elementary schools except for the trip. Besides that we also raised at least 25 grand gross per year to assist the school building in their budget. We would "donate" the money to the school through the laundry system of a board meeting. Of course the donation would be accepted. That was how we handled the little glitch that the PTA national frowned on such fundraising by the units. They knew it was going on and said if we spent the money on our own we could lose our affiliation with national and thus lose our insurance and tax exempt status. So it was funneled into the school's bank account. Then the "school" would buy the computer equipment, pay for visiting artists, use the money for field trips, library books, signs in front of the schools etc. It was an unspoken status symbol among the elementary PTA's who could raise the most money. We would have strategy sessions at the PTA council meetings to see how we could keep doing the fund raising and still retain our tax free status. "Make sure you have that annual meeting and send in your charities report to the state".

And the children went from door to door and still do. ( The gross take must be more now). Of course there is a disclaimer in all the promotion literature that "we do not condone door to door sales by the students".

Present day...Elementary PTA's are still doing fundraising big time. Middle schools still do not do so many fundraisers through the PTA. The fund raisers for the trips are handled by the teachers and the students receive directly the profits from their own sales. The big money funds there and at the high schools are raised by the music and sports boosters' "not for profit" organizations.

At that secondary level the PTA's are just representatives for the parents and a liaison for the administration and district with the parents. (maybe that's what they should be everywhere?)

So please do not warmly look askance at Scats' view of the PTA in Greece. They are pawns for the system and love every minute of it.  3/08/2010 7:06 AM

Anonymous said...
The pta has been taken over (some time ago) by the school of choice parents.

The comment in the paper by the pta president (school of choice parent) speaks loud and clear - suck it up community and pay more.

It is everyone elses problem just leave MY kids school alone.    3/08/2010 7:10 AM

The comments above were edited to stay on the topic of PTA and sometimes clarified (in italics) by BLOG administration.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yep.PTAs are money machines, nothing more. They allow the budget to be a few million $$ less than it would otherwise need to be. Same for the booster clubs. Its their only reason to exist. Well and to support the school of the chosen parents like someone pointed out.

Anonymous said...

Are they still making the teachers wish lists come true via gifts to the schools? PTA is better than Santa, more generous too.

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone expect PTAs to follow the rules? The school board doesn't even follow the rules (policies) they make. They practically laugh at the laws. There are no consequences! Then they wonder why the kid's behaviors are what they are. They need to look in the mirror.

Anonymous said...

I am a "school of choice parent" and I think there should be a full accounting ofthe costs associated with the current system. If it is more expensive than the alternatives then make a change.
Neighborhood schools would be great, but make them all k-5.
How can the BOE be forced to show us the cost of this program and it's alternatives?

SCATS said...

To 3:44PM ~~ Do what the WR parents and the hockey boosters did ~ Make a HUGE stink about it. They never ignore loud mouths.

Anonymous said...

PTA's are a joke and just another front for GTA to do their bidding. Mose elementary parents are clueless about how used they are. PTA's should be about advocating for parents and kids and it fails miserably. If you are a parent who needs help with an issue regarding your child at school, see what happens when you go to your PTA for help. The PTA leadership runs and hides. They do not want to be a real advocate for parents and children. Just look to see how many District Employees are in officer positions within PTA. Parents are SOL.

In the 70's and 80's PTA's would stand up to the administration and the school board. They would actively take part in the budget process and give frank answers and responses to the district. Not anymore. It's is just another suck up group who's only goal is to raise the most money. Sad. Really sad.

Anonymous said...

Do they still invest some of their funds in CDs, stocks, etc?

Anonymous said...

Here is an example of PTA activities in Greece central. Look under teacher liaison about how happy the teachers are with the mini-grants and fall fundraiser to find out about the 24K they made in the fall of 2006 at Longridge and how the school needed PTA to contribute another $200 for the 2nd grade filed trip.

http://www.quarkist.com/PTA/minute.htm

This link will probably not be available for long since it seems like it was created by someone on the PTA for the PTA. But it does seem to confirm the talk about fundraising as the primary purpose of the PTA and how the schools feel they are entitled to that money.

Anonymous said...

Here is another one that even has the expense accounts all organized. Wow we hardly need a yes vote for this school.

http://www.quarkist.com/PTA/PTA_Expense.pdf

Anonymous said...

Jackpot. Here is an actual PTA budget sheet. Longridge 2006-2007.
http://www.quarkist.com/PTA/budget.pdf

Just go to the initial address above and it is the parent site. Put in Longridge on his search engine and these all come up. Again they will probably disappear when the PTA knows we have this.

Anonymous said...

Those links provide quite an eyeful! The last one shows that having only one checking and one savings account isn't good enough any more. I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/PubApps/geoShowOrgs.php?id=C36055&code=C36055&v=cf

Look under both "Greece" and PTA" for some very large numbers.

Anonymous said...

Fascinating website. Since the music boosters and sports boosters are not listed may we assume they are operating as tax exempt organizations illegally? Or are they funneling their money through the district or each school to avoid taxes? If neither, then they should be having to pay sales tax and income tax on earnings and interest.