Tuesday, February 09, 2010

GTA Refuses To Take Pay Freeze

 
"I get tired of the President of GTA coming up here ... and doing nothing to help us!" ~~ Roger Boily

SCATS ~~ Boily wants the community to know about GTA's refusal, BUT waited until both the GTA & the West Ridge parents left the room before making his disingenuous tirade.

What's out of the budget by BOE vote tonight:
27.1 FTE Teachers $1.5 million
14.4 FTE Teacher aides/assts. ($330,000)
General support staff budget reduced by $500,000
Assets & student leader coordinator eliminated$100,000
1 Athletic Director & other athletic budget reductions $170,000
Transportation for Pre-K $230,000
Freezing technology acquistion spending $230,000
Certain extracurricular/athletic contest reductions $40,000


SCATS ~~ This BOE is going about the budget process with their heads up their ... well, I'm sure you get the picture. Instead of starting with the status quo which was at $207+ million and trying to cut enough off the corners to get to where you need to be, why don't you start from scratch? Build a budget by adding in what WE NEED to be a quality school district and leaving the WANTS out unless/until you see we can afford them.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

That pic says it all. Good fun.

Anonymous said...

So now with cutting transportation to Pre K, enrollment for the Pre-k will be down. I have twins that will goto the PreK next year and I am happy to drive them. I wonder though is this a way to reduce enrollment and subsequently call for the elimination of the program. If they had teh "stones to cut this funding" why not for school of choice as well? They feel 230k was justified in being cut, how is it that the 880K was not?
( and again I have a child in Secondary option that I already drive and would continue to drive if the bussing was cut. People will survive, cut the bussing!)

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that Boily had thoughts of the teachers union making some type of concessions.
Where has this man been for the last 20 years? That's never happened. History says the union always wins and they did again, see below.

We now see the school of choice parents in bed with the teachers union and it is coming out that this is where teachers kids go to school. It is they who win the lottery, the secret lottery.
The schools of choice (union) have been saved again.

Anonymous said...

If they don't have the guts to deal with West Ridge, is there any hope they can deal with "millions" in short fall?

Of course cut the bussing, but also cut Pre K for all students that don't need to make up for a lack of preparation at home. That would eliminate about half the students if the Henreitta model is followed. Just do it. Fourth grade testing shows Henreitta's model produces better long term results by concentrating on students most in need in the Pre k age group.

Sorry folks, but to borrow a phrase, you are entilted to your own opinion but not your own set of facts! If it is for the kids, then use hard data to show you mean it!

Anonymous said...

This same BOE Hired approximately 20 Technology staff in 2009 which costs the Tax payer 1.1 million in salary and benefits. Chech 2009 BOE reports.
These salaries USED to be contracted through BOCES and the district USED to get State Aid for.

Anonymous said...

Tell me is Bill Russell running again-I saw him at the meeting???

SCATS said...

To 10AM ~~ If I understand correctly, the only Pre-K that will be offered next yr. is funded by non-district monies. I'm wondering if it's legal to offer a public school program and then delete the transportation, as they plan to do. That goes to the parent's ability to pay, if they must transport, and I always thought public schools couldn't do that.

Anonymous said...

Scats at 1:10
You are correct. They cannot offer services to students and not to other students in like circumstances which in this case would be attending an elementary school in Greece Central. At the very least they would have to bus at the ridiculous state guidelines which would be something like a mile for under 7th grade. And we have universal bussing for up to 5th grade in Greece. They just cannot say that some students in a school are bussed and discriminate against the other students even if it is a non-state mandated program. After all regular half and full day kindergarten are not state mandated. If they offer the pre-k program they have to bus. Summer school is different if they just don't bus anyone or bus following some distance guidelines. They have goofed. it does not matter where the monies originated they must still bus. Can't wait for the lawsuits to begin.
For example school districts can only set transport requirements by distance.

Anonymous said...

They are NOT required to transport PreK students - you are simply incorrect about that. Education law states that schools are required to transport all students in grades K-12 including those attending nonpublic and charter schools. They have no authority to transport a child of less than school age, except where the child is accompanying a parent under age 21 to and from the parent's school (43 Educ. Dep't Rep. 343 (2004). A districts authority to transport PreK children is limited to those attending state approved universal PreK programs sponsored by the district. This means they have the authority to do so but are not REQUIRED to do so.

Anonymous said...

Why will we still offer Pre-K when the budget is so tight? Seems like that would be a program that should be considered for trimming under the tight budget constraints. Unfortunately, every program has its supporters, like WR Kindergarten, and every attempt to reduce the budget to a reasonable amount will draw out the supporters. It's sad but true that the school districts are at the bottom of the taxing food chain. Unlike the state and county, the schools have no one else to pass the programs "down to" and all they can do is pay or cut.

Anonymous said...

Is PRE-K being cut?

Anonymous said...

2:53 Despite your citations you are wrong. Once the district starts doing something above and beyond the minimum for the students at a school, it has to do nothing less for the whole student body unless there is a distance requirement forbidding it.
And if anyone has a problem with it they can get a petition to force a vote with signatures of at least the number of 5% of the voter turnout at the last regular school vote. That could force the issue if the proposition was worded correctly.
But it would probably be sufficient for some parents with pre k kids to serve the district with preliminary papers accusing them of discrimination saying that their child was unable to attend a district program appropriate for their child just because of the bussing issue. They would cave immediately. Guaranteed.

SCATS said...

To 3:35PM ~~ 5% of the turnout, or 2%?

Anonymous said...

I think to force a vote, the petition needs 5%. To get a candidate on the ballot only requires the 2%. But I could be wrong. What was the voter turnout last May? If it was 4,000 then 5% would be 200. Not hard to do. The hard part is writing the language for the proposition.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone here believe that this lame duck Super and our Circus Posse board would put any effort into levelling the playing field in our school system? Not likely, it would take some moral fiber, effort and initiative on their part.

Achramovitch is reportedly fuming over the fact that the was not rehired and was forced to retire to save face. He has become vindictive and will sit on his lazy a--, collect his $1,000 per day and ride it out.

As for the board, we need three new members committed to the entire population as well as taxpayers. Three board member who are devoid of any connection to the C of C or Rotary and are Boily-proof, unlike the political persuasion that permeates our present board.

In may, as we did once before with those HMO guys, we should kick out the incumbents, elect three progressive thinking people to the board and send the rest of them a message by voting down whatever budget that does not contain a tax cut.

We voters have the power to do it if we really care about positive change and show up at the polls on May 18th. 4,000 voters showing up out of 58,000 possible voters, as was the case last year, benefits the politicians and the business people who want to control the board and keep the status quo. This must not happen.

Anonymous said...

They do not have to bus, Greece has been the ONLY district that does bus the PreK kids. I had to pay for my child to go to PreK and I also had to get them there. Those that have had the opportunity to attend PreK 5 days a week and have gotten transportation have been fortunate. However, times have changed and cuts need to be made. You can still attend PreK but you need to transport your child there or wait umtil Kindergarte, PreK is not a mandated program, Greece has it because of grant funding, therefore busing is NOT required. Parents can come out and whine about it all they want but its already been voted on.

SCATS said...

To 5:27PM ~~ Word just in that the vote to cut Pre-K busing was ... (drum roll) .. ILLEGAL! Now our board gets a chance for a "do over." I just wish I could get a "do over" when it comes to paying my tax bill.

Anonymous said...

Check out Board Policy number 1650 for the particulars on how to get a proposition in front of the voters. It is based on state ed Law 2035(2).
They not only have to accept the petition if it is proper, they have to adjust it to make it properly worded after they approve it.

Anonymous said...

3:35 - my citations come straight out of Ed Law. Tell THEM they're wrong. LOLOL sorry - but YOU are the one who is wrong. Universal PreK is funded by a grant. Even if Greece dollars were allocated, as you can see from my legal citations, the district has the authority but not the requiremetn to provide transportation. Bussing is optional and is the choice of the district. Just because Greece has decided to provide it doesn't mean they need to continue to provide it. It is NOT required.

SCATS said...

To 8:24PM ~~ Actually, it is what will remain of the universal Pre-K program in Greece that will be funded by grant $$. Interestingly, they are keeping this much to try to help the students who are most in need. How can the neediest get to school without a bus? I think I think too much ...

Charlie Hubbard said...

The board has sent a very clear message.
We believe schools of choice has priority over class size.

We believe open enrollment should take presidence over class size.

We believe signature schools are more important than class size.

Next to come will be how none of this is 'our' doing 'it's the state'

Have you ever noticed how none of this type of thing comes to light until budget time?
All aboard the BS train - the blame train.
We have taken a giant step backwards via leadership. The idea some board members acually thought the gta was going to step up to help speaks volumns about how out of touch with reality this board has become.

SCATS said...

Charlie ~~ Sadly, you're right. That makes us both "teacher haters."

Anonymous said...

Charlie and Scats,
I am confused. Do you want larger classes or smaller classes?
School choice may be a giant waste, and perhaps it should be ended, but do you think that can be accomplished before the next school year?
I assume siganture schools are more expensive,
but have no idea how much. Seems to me that it would be pretty easy to figure out with access to correct information.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 2:55
Let me tell you how 'fony' this whole issue is.
Some of asked about the cost of these extras over 3 years ago.
We also asked about the educational benefit.
Simply put our position was if you can't show the value (benefit) get rid of it.
Because 'others' chose to play nice (politics) no support was forthcoming.
I can also tell you because 'others' did not want to do business in a business like manor with $195,000,000 of taxpayers money is THE biggest reason I am no longer there.
I can also tell you only a fool could not see this 'bubble' of state money could not continue. The fact that there is no answer to your question speaks volumns about the way budgets are done.

I will also tell you the taxpayers have every right to be completely pi##ed off at how there $$ is being waisted.

Close our eyes real tight, cross our fingers and hope our problems go away.
No this problem probably can't be fixed now and that is just the way 'some' wanted it. It certainly can't be fixed without a will.

Anonymous said...

With the current enrollment figures it would be very cost effective to close one of the elementary schools. The students could be dispersed among several schools with hardly a blip in those schools' enrollment. There would probably no need to assign any extra teachers at the destination schools. And that would eliminate the need for all the staff at the closed school, teachers, principal, custodian, counselor, nurse, cafeteria staff, specials teachers etc. as well as the upkeep and utilities. Also we could sell the building. The union would not mind because the teachers and support staff affected would just be able to bump a lower tier employee and that bumped person could bump and so on and so on....
The best place to do this might be at one of the K-5 schools of choice because all the students could return to their normal school. Bussing would be saved. Since Westridge is such an old school that would be the choice.
But since that choice brought out such a groundswell of dissent that idea was scrapped. So what now?
Are we permitted to shorten the school day? Could we utilize the schools in split sessions and really save some money?
Probably not because in the end no matter how high the cost they will get whatever they want and we will have to pay for it with taxes.

Anonymous said...

GTA prez Palozzi does not live in Greece so he has no skin in the game except to get raises for his members at any cost. Greece Teachers are OFF NEXT WEEK FOR WINTER BREAK. But the Bit-hing and belly aching and whining and moaning goes on and on and on. Under paid over worked under appreciated and we buy crayons for the kids so give us more of the money that you have less of. Get real how about you pay 40 percent of your health care insurance like I do. I have not had a raise cost of living or otherwise since 2006. And I work more days a year than you do by about 90 and I got a masters degree just like you but I paid for it my self. Get real GTA. On another topic if that pic is of Sean better use your SCBA bro OSHA regs.

SCATS said...

To 2:55PM ~~ What I want is a good dose of HONESTY from our leaders ~ the Supt. & BOE. It's asking for a lot, I know. It's an insult to every parent who has children at schools other than West Ridge, Pinebrook & Odyssey to cut the budget by raising class sizes and eliminating electives while they are still bussing those school-of-choice & option kids all over town! It's mismanagement of EDUCATION in Greece. It defies logic. It wastes money which they are trying to "save." It's kind of like that book title, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining!"

Charlie Hubbard said...

A note for 4:24

You simply don't understand - it's all about ENTITLEMENT - no merit - just ENTITLEMENT.

Perhaps it was your objective to get me going - well it worked.
The gta contract is so bad you don't even have to go to work to get a raise. Please read it - you won't believe it.
This is not about me but let me tell you until I was elected to the board in 2005 contracts were being approved by the school board with NO IDEA what the cost was. They still are in most districts.

I could go on and on so let me exit by reminding you and every reader it is the BOARD who is responsible for the increase of the budgets via approval of contracts and bussing. And THAT'S the truth.
Sorry for ranting.