Thursday, January 07, 2010

Widow Ginny Miller Seeks Answers From GPD

  
WHEC-TV Reports:

Paul Miller's widow says she was handcuffed & sitting in the back of a police car watching the entire incident when Greece police shot & killed her husband of 33 yrs. She says she doesn't understand why she was cuffed or why her husband was shot, since she never saw him point his weapon at the cops.

Watch Berkeley Brean interview her at the link noted above.

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Given the situations and activities of the Greece Police Department over the past year and one half, I think that this investigation should be done outside of the GPD and outside of the mitts of this Loczynski character and should be a complete and full investigation.

She raises valid questions and concerns, concerns she deserves answers for. A badge does not give one the right to kill, the same way the judge described the acts of Pignato. It does not put you above the law.

Is it only me, or does it seem like ever since this Loczynski came to town, it's been one bad situation after another? It has become apparent to me as a taxpayer that the CYA at the GPD has resulted in a whole lot of strange shootings and verdicts, and yet to date, we have NO report nor do we have closure to the root of the cause of why he was supposedly brought in here with his band of expensive bandits.

Enough. Berkeley Brean needs to get Loczynski in the hot seat and get some raw satisfaction for the taxpayers and residents including this widow for once and for all.

Either fix this joke of a PD, disband it and bring in the sheriff - but something has to give.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 5:47 except on the issue of the sheriff. They are part of the problem in the case of Paul Miller. Why did they cuff her? Why hold her for TWO HOURS? That seems really extraordinary and definitely deserves explanations.

Anonymous said...

Guess you haven't heard that due to this new incident, Loszynski has been asked to remain on the job for another year to get to the problem.

Anonymous said...

I watched the entire interview on the whec web site. It was disturbing.

I do not think that the police have enough training here. There were clearly mental health issues here, but the man was not delusional or psychotic. I think the situation could have been handled and the horrible consequences avoided

Anonymous said...

Would you like a delusional or psychotic romaing your street with a fully loaded gun????

I think nnt. Or else you are the delusional one.

Anonymous said...

We pay the Monroe County sheriff for a swat team among other things. Certainly there are OTHER WAYS to intervene before letting these situations escalate to using deadly force. Something smells in local law enforcement besides Greece PD.

Anonymous said...

But if he was left to roam the streets and he did happen to hurt someone on a neighborhood street people would be griping that the police didn't do enough. If he wasn't being psychotic, a rational person would have put the gun down asked to repeatedly. And as far as her being handcuffed, perhaps she was getting in the way of the police doing their job and getting this man to drop his gun. After all weren't they called to the scene because he was threatening her to begin with? If he wasn't acting mental don't you think she would have been able to talk her husband of so many years down herself. He created the situation, you can't walk around waving a gun and not expect to get hurt. Perhaps he should have stayed in jail a bit longer instead of being dropped off at home.

SCATS said...

To 11:05PM ~~ You either have your "facts" confused, or you are privy to a lot of info no one has mentioned. My guess is the former based upon what Mrs. Miller says in the interview.

It was late when this happened, so not many other people would be wandering the roads. No one has ever said he was in jail. She was never threatened according to any media reports and states she has never ever felt threatened by him. She also stated that she can't understand why police didn't attempt to let her talk to him since he had a cell phone.

Anonymous said...

He was arrested for DUI and did not submit to the breath test. The stories never say if he was processed in "jail" or if he was driven home immediately after the traffic stop and his car impounded.

Anonymous said...

Anxiety caused by depression is not psychosis. The anxious or panicky individual is not in a delusional state. they can be dealt with

If you equate the mental issues with anxiety with psychosis then like the police you will respond inappropriately

Anonymous said...

SCATS Let's hope you never need the police in your neighborhood. You are so anti Greece Police it is stunning. Why on earth do you live here if you have everything about the town?

What would you have done if you saw a delusional psychotic man with a gun walking in your neighborhood SCATS? Tell us because inquiring minds want to know.

SCATS said...

To 12:55PM ~~ I'm not "anti Greece police." I'm anti-incompetence and anti-waste whether we're talking about GPD, Town Hall, GCSD or any other taxpayer funded organization.

As for needing police, I called 911to report some dangerous activity I witnessed while I ran an errand-running trip a couple of weeks ago. I have NO idea what happened after my call.

I live here because it is my home. I'm working at making it a better place. What are YOU doing??

Anonymous said...

I have to ask SCATS, why were you so in favor of Mr. Scott being found not guilty because the shooting of that child was justified because he was menacing in peoples cars, yet you find the shooting of a man with a gun walking around a NEIGHBORHOOD acceptable. So breaking into a car at three in the morning is a an acceptable reason to get shot but actually walking down a street carrying a weapon in a obvious not right state of mind is not??? So if a neighbor shot the man because he came on to his property with this gun displayed it would be ok for the civilian to shoot him but because it was a cop it isnt for you?

Anonymous said...

SCATS where's your outcry towards the Sheriff's, they're the ones who handcuffed the wife of the man who was threatening police officers with a loaded weapon. I don't hear you complaining about them. You just like to moan about the GPD because you personally don't like them, just like you have a personal problem with Town Hall. Grow Up

SCATS said...

To 2:20PM ~~ Your comments are so jumbled up, I can't possibly respond. First you charge: "... yet you find the shooting of a man with a gun walking around a NEIGHBORHOOD acceptable." Please show me, where did I say this was "acceptable?"

Then you ramble on with " ... but actually walking down a street carrying a weapon in a obvious not right state of mind is not???" WHICH side are you taking in this discussion?

By the way, a 16 yr. old who is
5'9" tall and weighs 160 lbs. is NOT "a child" and our school system doesn't refer to them as such either.

SCATS said...

To 2:30PM ~~ I believe the MCSO is included in my statement: "I'm anti-incompetence and anti-waste whether we're talking about GPD, Town Hall, GCSD or any other taxpayer funded organization.

Where have I "moaned about GPD" on this thread? Clue: I haven't ;)

My position, which I haven't stated until now, is that Mrs. Miller deserves some answers to her questions. In addition, I would like to know where the law enforcement people who are trained to handle mental health cases were that night. What training, if any, do GPD officers get in this area?

Like your "friend" at 2:20PM, you try to put words into my mouth (that you can't quote back to me) because reading for comprehension is beyond your ability. Ending your post with "Grow up" is of course a juvenile, knee-jerk response on your part.

Maybe you "both" should wander back to that other BLOG ... ;)

Anonymous said...

SCATS.... you think the shooting of a man with a gun in a neighborhood is not justified... but the shooting of a kid for rummaging through a car is a justifiable shooting?? It seems that the only thing that makes the difference in your eyes is that one was done by the police so it automatically makes it wrong. There is a big difference for shooting someone for a being in a neighbors car and shooting someone for wielding a weapon, the man was obviously not in the right state of mind so you have no idea what harm he would have done to others. If you were in support of Mr. Smith for shooting , yes a child...how can you say the shooting of a not in the right state of mind individual walking around with a gun is wrong? I am pretty sure if it were your neighborhood you would feel differently.

SCATS said...

To 3:11PM ~~ You need to put down the cocktail before typing!

The "big difference" (your words) is that Paul Miller was surrounded by A FEW DOZEN HIGHLY TRAINED (supposedly) COPS and shot six times! Roderick Scott was one-on-one with another man who directly threatened him. He shot only twice.

After you sober up, please write back & tell us all who "Mr. Smith" is. I'm curious to know.

SCATS said...

Today's incident in Brockport shows it doesn't matter whether someone is "walking around the neighborhood" with a gun. You need to worry about the neighbor with a weapon who is INSIDE HIS HOME.

"According to Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn, the gunman was home alone at the time of the shooting and shot at least eight shots from his home. The woman who was injured was in a house across the street."

Anonymous said...

Maybe the police should just randomly bust doors down and check to be sure everyone inside is abiding the law. Only kidding!

Anonymous said...

OK, now I admit I'm thoroughly confused about police techniques. I'm amazed at the different approach by Greece police in the shooting of Miller compared to the Brockport incident today.Today the Sheriff successfully took into custody a shooter after talking him into surrendering. Despite the fact he shot off 8 or so rounds of ammo and injured two people including a cop in the process, the sheriff's and the SWAT team never returned fire! But Greece police shoot and kill Miller who had not shot at anyone at all and did so without trying to talk him into surrender.

Anonymous said...

"According to Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn, the gunman was home alone at the time of the shooting and shot at least eight shots from his home. The woman who was injured was in a house across the street."

You took that quote from the D&C SCATS. That's the same paper that told us Kathy Trimmer was our Receiver of Taxes. Consider the source man!

SCATS said...

To 6:42PM ~~ Very well stated. The differences really stand out, don't they?

To 6:44PM ~~ I see your point. Fortunately, several other media outlets reported similarly so I guess I dodged the bullet this time.

SCATS said...

To the person who wrote the insults aimed at me ~~ The hallmark of mental bankruptcy is lacking the ability to debate an issue without resorting to name-calling, swearing and other displays of frustration. In your case, name-calling was ALL you had ;)

COMMENT REJECTED.

Anonymous said...

But telling someone to ". . .[p]ut down the cocktail before typing" is not name calling or other displays of frustration? Careful SCATS, your double standard is showing. ;)

SCATS said...

To 12:01PM ~~ It's not name-calling. It's not even frustration. It's editorial commentary about someone who comes across as a borderline illiterate in their attempt to write persuasively when they've repeatedly demonstrated they are unable to effectively communicate through the written medium of a BLOG.

I'm still waiting to hear who Mr. Smith is ... tick, tick, tick ...

Anonymous said...

Remember, it's a double standard with the SCATS team. If an untrained individual shoots and kills an unarmed kid, that's ok. If GPD shoots someone who is aiming a gun at them, the police are wrong, at fault and must be incompetent and investigated.

SCATS must prefer vigilantism to handle crime in our community. Sounds like SCATS is an anarchist.

SCATS said...

To 11:21PM ~~ Where did you get your info that an "untrained" person shot a kid? It seems to me that both bullets were right on target which is your real beef. The moral to that story is that if you choose to break the law, you may have to pay a very high price. We'll add the name to the Darwin Awards list.

Double standard? Hardly! Look at how the MCSO handled the shooting in Brockport this week. VERY PROFESSIONALLY, compared to how GPD handled Paul Miller. Despite the fact that TWO PEOPLE WERE ALREADY SHOT, MCSO called in the SWAT team with their rifle team and trained negotiators. It paid off too. They got the shooter to give himself up peacefully and took him into custody instead of loading him into a body bag. GPD has no rifle team. GPD is unwilling to call in and make use of SWAT resources, so we're stuck with wrongful death lawsuits and higher taxes. Oh and if you want to see a double standard, look at the ridiculously "minor" (comparatively speaking) charges he faces: two counts of first-degree assault, three counts of second-degree assault, and one count of aggravated assault on a police officer or peace officer. Not even attempted manslaughter!

Anonymous said...

why do you hate the greece police so much scats? did you get a lapsed inspection ticket or something? if i was a cop and someone aimed a gun at me i'd shoot him, despite your foolish wish that i just stand there and wait to see if he shoots me first.

you'll never know what these men and women have to deal with as part of their job. nice luxury you have, huh? you just get to sit back behind your quiet, cozy computer and dump all over them and everyone else you're angry at. sad, very sad.

your attack posts don't help anyone who lives in greece so stop kidding yourself that you serve a benefit to the people who live there.

you just sound like a crotchety old man mad at the world for not revolving around you.

Anonymous said...

"The moral to that story is that if you choose to break the law, you may have to pay a very high price"

is aiming a gun at a cop against the law in your world scats? or is that another one of your double standards?

ie: kill the unarmed 16 year old kid but have a calming conversation with the grown man aiming a gun at you.

are you for real? do you think be fore you type? do you think at all? do you ever think within the realm of reality, or just fantasy?

SCATS said...

Wow! In the Cervini case you only know the kid was unarmed AFTER-the-Fact! Scott didn't and couldn't know it at the time. Not seeing a weapon doesn't mean the person is unarmed. Look at the Nigerian kid who tried to blow up an airplane!

In the Paul Miller case, you immediately assume the gun is loaded??? By your own logic, you can't make such assumptions!

In the Brockport incident, the MCSO knew someone had a loaded gun and was firing but they used retraint in their actions even AFTER TWO PEOPLE WERE SHOT.

Since you haven't responded to the questions I raised about the DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HOW MCSO & GPD HANDLED SIMILAR SITUATIONS SO DIFFERENTLY & WITH MUCH DIFFERENT OUTCOMES, it's obvious that your aren't interested in discussion but an attempted smear campaign. Cervini is gone. You really need to get some help to come to terms with it. BLOGGING won't bring him back, or help you.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the details you claim are incorrect. In the recent Brockport shooting, MCSO actually called GPD to the scene in the very beginning because several GPD officers carry specialzed assault rifles, in addtion to every marked patrol unit having shotguns. This incident unfolded over several hours and because of that, MCSO could bring in the appropriate resources (Negotiators, SWAT etc.) Sheriff SWAT and Negotiation Units are not full time positions, these members have other roles within in the department. Because Brockport was during the day, when many were on duty, these teams could respond in an expedited manner.

Paul Miller was a very different incident. This incident unfolded extremely quickly. At the time of night, there is no time to call in specialzed units. For them to arrive on scene would have taken a lot of time. He was walking down the street and pointed a gun at several officers, who made the proper choice to use lethal force.

The Brockport incident, an active shooter incident in an area off the road, allows for resources to be called and deployed appropriately. Dealing with a citizen combating extreme emotional differences pointing a gun at police officers is something entirely the opposite.


Back in the day mind you, GPD had their own SWAT, but like many of the other suburban departments, those responsibilities have been deferred to MCSO to cut costs.

SCATS said...

To 10:26PM ~~ I'm 100% unconvinced of your claimed "knowledge" in this matter. Why, you might wonder? Because I have personal knowledge of how SWAT operates (I know some of the team members!) and I know how GPD are trained ... or not as the case may be.

First of all, GPD wasn't called in because "several GPD officers carry specialzed assault rifles, in addtion to every marked patrol unit having shotguns." In reality, EVERY GPD officer has a hand gun (carried on the belt), and an assault rifle and a shotgun in the cruiser. There are NO specialized rifle teams inside GPD. Greece officers are trained to use all three of the aforementioned weapons.

GPD was called because we have a relatively large PD and are close. Other agencies were also called including State Police. SWAT was called immediately in the Brockport situation, but it took nearly an hour to get them to the scene. They keep their Bearcat and Command Center vehicles at an airport facility. It takes time, regardless the hour of day or night, for their team members to assemble and retrieve those vehicles. Secondly, SWAT team members don't sit in an office during day shift waiting to go on such a call. They are sheriff's deputies with other policing duties, whether it is training of themselves, teaching others or patrolling roads.

Given the above, your excuse for not using SWAT in the case of Paul Miller falls apart, totally. Time is time, regardless the hour. They didn't know in advance how fast or slow it would unfold. It unfolded slowly enough that several dozen officers from various agencies were on the scene when GPD SHOT MILLER TO DEATH. The fact remains: SWAT WAS NEVER CALLED. GPD will never call SWAT. If you know anything at all about law enforcement in GPD, then you know why.

Anonymous said...

"Because I have personal knowledge of how SWAT operates (I know some of the team members!) and I know how GPD are trained"

You tell 'em Joe!

SCATS said...

To 3:35PM ~~ By all means please keep right on believing that :D

PS ~~ Only a fool would think that civilians have no understanding of how SWAT, GPD or other law enforcement agencies work.