Monday, January 18, 2010

NY: Lowest GED Passing Rate In US

NY Offers Greatest Accessibility To Test, But Just 60% Pass

Most who fail on first attempt do not try again


SCATS ~~ We socially promote students in public school but expect them to actually pass a GED exam if they drop-out then return to finish. Could THAT be the problem?


Charlie Hubbard said...

You mention social promotion and thank you for doing that.
I found the figures recently supplied to the board alarming.
One reason was that this info was demanded 'not' by the board but by a concerned resident. Some of us thought this item was out of control for years but failed to get support to bring info to light.

When some of us would go into the schools and talk to teachers 2 items stood out as concerns - disipline, and social promotion IE kids are being sent into my class that are 'not' ready. I always felt sorry about the frustration but at the same time made it very clear 'it is up to YOU to bring this forward' 'if you are given any greef for doing so THEN call me'
It is interesting how so many just throw their hands up in the air and say there is nothing I can do.

We love to close our eyes and claim to see the problems. If the people running the system want to turn their backs on what we think is a problem then that is what will happen. My problem was and is how we think throwing more $$ at the system will help. Simply put without 'accountability' that impacts 'wallets' true change will not happen.

Anonymous said...

David Brooks, the noted NY Times columnist and TV commentator will be speaking in Vero Beach this Saturday.

In an interview printed in this past Sunday's paper, his comment on education is as follows:

Education: "We became the richest country on earth, having the best education system for 150 years. We lost that because our FAMILY STRUCTURE dissolved and now getting it back is another issure."

Finally, a noted American is telling it as it really is in American education. I know there are exceptions but generally speaking most teachers are hard working and wanting the best for their students but in our society today the home as we knew it gone. The lack of a family structure really effects children.

It is not always more money, it is the student, the school and the HOME to have success in school.

We need to center on programs that force parents to be involved with their children. We need to parent the parents. Successful city educational programs required parents to be involved with homework, parent meetings and student activities.


Doug Skeet

Anonymous said...

If they have a pulse, they will pass. Soon other kids pick up on this and it ruins their attitudes too. If you fail a few kids who really deserve it, it will light a fire under some of the other kids in class.

Anonymous said...

Where do I find this information on social promotion? I have not seen this documented anywhere!

Anonymous said...

I would suggest that you are attempting to change something that can't be changed.

Educational leaders must focus on ways to be successful despite the fact that parents are not as involved as we'd like them to be.

The "cheese moved". Staying in the same room while lamenting the lack of "cheese" accomplishes nothing.

Key #1 to change: be willing to accept other districts successes as replicatable. Sadly, unless it is "invented here" it is poo-pooh'd.

SW failed for several reasons, including the fact that he introduced unproven new things with little teacher buy-in.

Key #2 to change: The next Superintendent will be successful only by cleaning the administrative house.

SA failed because he ignorantly kept the SW cronies in control.

This isn't rocket science. It does however, require true leadership.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 10:26
ask a board member - they just got it last week.

Anonymous said...

10:26 - Ask Google, too.

Anonymous said...

So have I got this right?

They socially promote so it does not look bad for the system or the teachers and the parents and children"feel good"

When they get to the stage where they are held accountable for having learned the skills around 10th grade the students that don't meet the standards are encouraged to drop out or sign up for the town mall school for the GED. If they don't pass the GED there is no black mark for the school district. If they do pass the GED there is a graduation that is heavily boasted of in the board meetings.

SCATS said...

To Doug Skeet & 11:03AM ~~ The disconnect for me in the argument about the role (or lack of it) by family in a child's education is that MANY of our young teachers also come from single parent "broken home." No one talks about the impact that must have on their ability to connect to & teach. It is at least as important, isn't it?

SCATS said...

To 1:45PM ~~ I hadn't quite thought of it in that way before, but it sounds like your view is fairly accurate. I've heard many people say that a GED is much harder to earn than a Regents diploma. Maybe it's because NY State actually expects you to learn but GCSD doesn't. Look at all of the brilliant students we graduate from Greece who were on high honor roll for 4 yrs. but who find they can't survive a full first year at college.

Anonymous said...

Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.


Anonymous said...

so looked up that quote...from the first line of the first chapter of anna karenina.
In continuing reading saw a name that slightly resembling another...."stepan arkadyevitch"

Wonder if Steve 2's mom was a fan of Tolstoy.

SCATS said...

To 2:16PM ~~ Just because a kid comes from an "unhappy family" doesn't make him/her unable to learn. Sometimes people know intuitively that getting educated is their ticket to a better life, even at a young age. In Greece, we blame our poor performance on economics, family life, the water and anything else that takes the onus off the school district's failings. It's what makes us dysfunctional.

realgreecer said...


Of course not.
Doesn't the quote illustrate that there are many paths, success failure, happiness unhappiness, that can follow from conflicted family lives.

Tolstoy didn't write (paraphrasing) all happy families are alike all unhappy ones get bad test scores.

Anonymous said...

Possibly the author was saying that the more dysfunctional, the more interesting. If everything were perfect there would be no novelists. Pleasantville "Tobey pre-spiderman) became colorful only after complications and rebellion set in. With freedom comes the ability to choose and sometimes we make unhealthy or unwise choices. We can then choose to change.

Anonymous said...

Sorry people, but I don't buy into the "happy families are all alike" quote. Sometimes families are so dysfunctional they are "happy" too. You probably won't miss what you've never had or experienced. Besides who set the standard for measuring any other person's happiness?

Anonymous said...

The majority of Public Education is a failure.
"teachers" who don't know their subject material cannot be expected to teach it.
There is no incentive for a Union "teacher" to impart knowledge to students.

Students figure the system out by 2nd grade and ride the wave.

The whole thing is a very expensive comedy.

SCATS said...

To 1:53PM ~~ I have to agree with you. Here's a perfect real-life example of what type of person gets hired to teach young kids these days:

A so-so student graduates from Greece in the 2000's. Majors in history in college. Can't find work, so he/she jumps through the required hoops to become a teacher. Gets offered a choice of jobs - coaching a sport he/she has NEVER played (due to lifeling health issues) OR teaching math and science. He/she takes the math and science teaching position. Now, he/she is passing students on math tests he/she can't grade without a key, because he/she can't do the math! What a great system!