Thursday, November 12, 2009

WHO Are They Trying To Fool?

  
SCATS ~~ Isn't the Community Center attached to the school building? How is this an actual "evacuation?"

The D&C Reports: West Ridge Elementary School  was evacuated around 11:30 this morning after staff smelled smoke in the hallways.

District spokeswoman Laurel Heiden said students were relocated to the nearby West Ridge Community Center to keep warm while fire crews responded.

Firefighters found a malfunctioning heater.

Heiden said the students were returned to their classes as soon as the building was ventilated, around 12:15 p.m.



24 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'd like to answer that correctly, but the Town Tangled Web We Weave Site doesn't have it.

West Ridge Community Center

The West Ridge Community Center is part of the Town of Greece Human Services program. The West Ridge Senior Nutrition Program serves a hot meal Monday through Friday. There is a suggested donation of $2.00 for Seniors (60 years and older) or if you are a spouse of someone (60) years or older. If anyone is under the age of sixty (60) years, the meal is $3.50 per person. The Senior Care Program is designed to help the elderly remain in their own home or apartment as long as possible through the utilization of volunteers. Services rendered include transportation, grocery shopping assistance, friendly visiting, and errands. Calls are also taken from senior residents looking for help and/or information regarding particular problems. Referrals are made to appropriate agencies that can be of assistance. For more information, contact the Greece Department of Human Services, Monday–Friday, 9 am–5 pm at 663-0200. Visit the the West Ridge Community Center website for more information.

http://www.greeceny.gov/HumanServices/

SCATS said...

To 4:37PM ~~ That link gave me an error message. I think your info pre-dates the new palace they built on Vince Tofany Blvd ;)

Anonymous said...

Wow Scats! What did the school district do to you??
Such a nit picker!!!
Yes there is a small hallway that connects the 2 buildings so TECHNICALLY they are connected, but still far enough apart that the kids were safe and warm while they figured out what was wrong. Thanks for your concern about the definition of evacuation.....oh yeah and the kids.

Anonymous said...

I agree with scats. I did not think the center was currently operative as a senior center

Anonymous said...

During a fire drill the Greece central students practice by walking outside their buildings and standing far away from the building and then attendance is taken so staff can see if someone is still in the building.
At west ridge school do the students walk from their classrooms to the attached Christa building and take attendance there? Probably not. That building is attached to the school and even if there is a slight detachment it is not far enough away to provide safety from a fire in either area.
But not to worry. If whatever was causing the problem was tragically also in the Crista Alcott complex the children would be safely trapped.

SCATS said...

To 5:03PM ~~ I will bet you lunch that the district's emergency plans do not permit "evacuation" to an attached building. I will also bet the building principal has little to no clue what that emergency plan calls for in such a situation. In the past, buses are to be used for emergency shelter and relocation.

I'll gladly wear the nitpicker tag. Nitpickers save lives when a real emergency happens ;)

Anonymous said...

Come on 6:23 trapped?? With 30 or so emergency exit windows and say 6 or 7 double door exits.... trapped really?? That's a pretty fast moving fire considering those buildings are given a detailed fire inspection yearly and built with every fire precaution that is available at the time of construction. You and Scats both seem to be GCSD haters.

SCATS said...

To 6:36PM ~~ I'm a "hater" if I want the district to follow their own safety and emergency plans which were created to safely attend to such situations?

I think it's both amusing and pathetic that someone would call me a "hater" for wanting THE INTERESTS OF THE STUDENTS TO BE THE ONE & ONLY TOP PRIORITY.

By the way, you really should read the annual fire safety report and see all of the infractions GCSD gets cited for when they are PREPARED IN ADVANCE for said inspection. I read it this year again and it's an eye-opener. Do you know that there were at least two instances of flammables that were stored atop ovens? COMMON SENSE IS COMPLETELY LACKING ON THE PART OF STAFF WHO PERMIT SUCH THINGS TO HAPPEN.

Imagine how bad it must be by January after the inspections are merely a memory. In fact, if you drive around town and look at various school buildings, I am certain you will clearly see many emergency escape windows BLOCKED by flammables.

Anonymous said...

It seems SCATS and 6:23 really hit a nerve with 6:36. Kind of makes me wonder what 6:36 is hiding......otherwise there would be no need for such a reaction.

Anonymous said...

OK Scats the nitpicker I'll give you the point that a true evacuation in a real emergency would not include moving to an attached building. But neither of us was there. The report said they smelled smoke....they didn't see smoke only smelled it. I think they probably used their own judgment and deemed it safe to use the old community center since it was rather chilly out. Why don't you get off your high horse and report happily that everyone is safe and sound and it was a (very) minor incident.

Anonymous said...

Come on you are trying to deny that you hate GCSD. Anyone who comes here for 5 min can see that...were you fired or forced to retire??
I'm sure you did read the fire inspection looking for anything to point out that the school district did wrong.
Wow 2 instances out of say 900 rooms.
I think there probably are a fair share of nitwits in the school district but in this incident they didn't need to get out the manual. Someone (probably just as smart as you) made the decision to move the kids to the other building and what do you know it worked out, everyone stayed warm and safe and went back to there business after a very short delay.
Why don't you become a volunteer fireman and get on the fire inspection team they you can really stick it to them when they screw up.

SCATS said...

To 6:51PM ~~ How do you judge a "true emergency" versus a minor incident until AFTER things unfold? You don't! That's why we have emergency manuals with rules & procedures. They aren't there for decoration or to be used as paperweights. This district seems to have a real problem following any of their own policies. Someday it will come back to bite them in a very big way.

PS ~~ If I smell smoke, I think "fire" whether I can see it or not. Any firefighter worth his badge will tell you to GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE! They don't tell you to wait until you see flames ;)

SCATS said...

To 7:03PM ~~ There are dozens of instances in this years fire inspection report. I pointed out two of the most unbelievable. By the way, where were you after Buckman Hts. burned and the district decided they had to err on the side of caution and throw away everything - books, desks, chairs, even personal items like eyeglasses that the kids left at school? Did you call them "haters" or "nitpickers" then?

SCATS said...

An interesting aside ~~ I just looked at the 2009 Annual Fire Safety & Inspection report again and see the inspections occurred in early to mid-August when school wasn't even in session! Empty classrooms, no artwork on the walls, nothing vaguely resembling the conditions for when school is in session. UNREAL!

Anonymous said...

You make a very good point about Buckman after the fire, SCATS. They said the equipment and furniture couldn't be cleaned after it was "potentially" exposed to toxic smoke and firefighting chemicals. They destroyed everything. What a waste! And you're right; no one complained.

Anonymous said...

Fire inspections are done every 11 months so the month changes every year.
Not sure what you mean about Buckman, but everything in the building was thrown out beacuse the firemen went through the building while it was burning and checked every room for occupants, while doing so they left all the doors open so the smoke damage was rather extensive.
There is a bit of difference between a fire bomb and a small elecrical short.
But you do seem to be an expert at turning small fires into raging infernos.

Anonymous said...

6:50 the reaction comes from watching SCATS nitpick every little thing that happens at Greece Central. This was a VERY minor incident that as usual he is trying to spin to make people look bad. I'm sure if SCATS were in charge of the school everthing would have been done diferently, but guess what he's not. Instead he's here in blogville playing monday morning quaterback on everything that is Greece. What does that tell you?

Anonymous said...

The fire inspections are done every 11 months so they don't lapse. Next year will be July, then 2011 in June, 2012 May, 2013 April etc...

SCATS said...

To 9:42PM ~~ Thank you for the reminder. I had forgotten that rotation was in use.

To 8:09PM ~~ Yes, it was a minor incident, thank God! Given the way it was handled, it likely would have been a tragedy had it been a real fire. You've yet to show or say that any of my contentions were wrong. (Of course, you can't because you know I'm right about the emergency procedure that should have been used.) Instead, you try to attack my character and avert attention away from the actual incident. That's how things are in GCSD and that's my clue that I'm right on target with my observations.

By the way, if I wanted to really "nitpick" and make people look bad, I'd write a BLOG about how the BOE & Supt. spent more time at Tuesday's meeting discussing how to "fix" sightlines in APAC while wasting another $400,000 than they spent discussing the 400+ students who are failing school but who don't play sports. This was another prime example of how they bought a load of crap from administration about how little could be done for these kids. It just points up once again what the district's priorities are. It's certainly NOT the students.

Anonymous said...

To 6:36 ...probably a fireman on the board...from the hater pal of scats


And while we are at it when do they if ever inspect the "heaters" in the schools? My house gets the furnace and air conditioner inspected once a year to avoid trouble. When will the cause of the "smoking heater" be revealed? And when are heaters allowed in the schools? Was it a space heater? And I'd like you to assist the exit of 500 children during the panic of a flash fire.
And it is not up to the certified teachers and principals to decide whether the children should be properly evacuated from the building. They had no idea what was causing the smell of smoke. And fires can flash and there can be gas explosions from a single flame. We may not ever hear the entire story.
And BTW my ire with the school district comes from having to deal with their arrogance and incompetence as my kids attended school there. There were 2 kinds of parents and probably still are. One set of parents got involved and knew what was going on and made sure it didn't affect their own children. Somewhere along the way other children benefited from that diligence as the parents volunteered on field trips etc. Then there were the other parents that still loved their children and couldn't or wouldn't get involved and didn't know what was going on except for their own children. That's fine too but they weren't aware of the games that were being played. Maybe that's the majority. When you know what is and was going on behind the scenes in Greece it isn't a pretty picture. And safety was sometimes lacking.
You don't have to be an ex employee of Greece schools to have issues with them and to be now satisfied that there is a forum where instantaneously what goes on in the school district is brought to the public's attention.
This blog seems like justice for climate and environment that is Greece Central. They really can't get away with anything now.

Anonymous said...

"6:50 the reaction comes from watching SCATS ..."

Are you stalking SCATS? Watching the watchdog? Thats damn funny! Paranoid too.

Anonymous said...

Scats;your 10;41 posting made some very good points.

Question; was it talked about if the 400 failing kids in any way a product of "social promotion" ??

SCATS said...

To 7:05AM ~~ They spent so little time discussing those kids that they forgot to blame someone. That's a truly "hot potato" topic!

Anonymous said...

Someone better get their stories straight.......the automated phone call I got stated they were able to get their coats before leaving the building and my kids said they were outside the entire time......