Thursday, October 22, 2009

Local Teachers Must Compete For Job Openings

  
Budget Cuts Pit Laid-off Teachers Against New Grads For Limited Openings

More Teachers Seek Jobs As Subs, Aides To Get Foot In District's Doors

GCSD reports an 88%  increase in the number of job applicants this year

STORY

SCATS ~~ Greece should capitalize on this, hire only the very best and use this opportunity to rid itself of nontenured teachers who don't measure up.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

But what if they are the best but they are not related to someone of importance??

SCATS said...

To 11:57AM ~~ Then the BOE won't approve hiring them, of course ;)

Anonymous said...

If only the real world worked for teachers.

Can you imaqine a group of employees unwilling to give up a small pay increase and a little bit of those valuable benefits knowing there may be 300 people knocking at the door willing to take their job?

In the real world costs would go down, not up, with that many people looking for a job.

Maybe they ought to step back, hold a union meeting, thank their lucky stars they have a job and maybe even consider giving the tax payer a break. They could really hold an interesting press conference after that meeting!

Anonymous said...

Where's all the (teaching) contributers usually here telling all the readers how hard the job is. It's so hard that qualified people are piled up, stepping on one another trying to get their foot in the door. Seems like alot of effort to get such a challenging position.

Anonymous said...

I think that all jobs have a lot of applicants. Jobs are scarce in these times. You may have some reasons for criticism that's not a fair one.

Anonymous said...

What makes my opinion fair is the way the teachers job is often described here as soooo difficult, in addition to the constant NEED for more money/benefits do to their over worked/under compensated careers. More, more, more! Guess what teachers, if you don't appreciate what your already getting, step aside. It turns out there's thousands behind you chomping at the bit, trying to get the very position you so loath!

Anonymous said...

Isn't it amusing that so many local colleges are nothing more than teacher factories that have now watered down the value of a decent teacher? What do they say about payback?

Anonymous said...

Since 2002 there have been no raises for the Greece teachers. Teaching is not difficult. It is the incompetence of the administration that makes this job nearly impossible to be successful. This imcompetence comes from the BOE all the way down.

Anonymous said...

No pay raises since 2002? Hog wash!

The only ones not receiving raises are those at the top of the food chain. That's something like $85,000 per 185 day year. That is darn good pay for the talent required.

(And yes, I know all about those masters degrees in kiddy gym and kiddy lit!).

Anonymous said...

The teacher writes about the iMcompetence of the board. Enough said

Anonymous said...

No matter how old you are, you still have choices. Instead of complaining about teachers, you should go back to school and become one yourself.

SCATS said...

To 5:34PM ~~ Do you realize how silly and arrogant that sounds? In the realm of obtaining a master's degree, teaching is about as easy as it gets. Some people aspire to loftier goals. Try getting an MS in engineering ;)

Anonymous said...

Not a teacher...but the masters degrees in kiddy gym and kiddy lit still cost the same money as any other masters degree. If you have beef with it complain to the state. They are the ones who require it.
Yes, 85,000 is a lot of money if you are lucky enough to be there that long. But what about the 95% of the teachers who aren't there yet.
Also, the BOE/Superintendent turned down a paltry percentage raise for the teachers while the teachers would have gone to a cheaper medical plan which in turn would save the district money and obviously you the taxpayer.

SCATS said...

To 5:59PM ~~ Thanks to tuition reimbursement, Greece teachers do NOT pay for their degrees, so please don't talk to me about how much it costs. By the way, not all MS degrees are created equal, take the same amount of time or cost the same.

No, not all teachers are at $85,000, thank God. However, $50,000 is a lot of money for 180 days/year ... anyway you slice it.

Anonymous said...

Without teachers you wouldn't be in engineering!:) With your engineering degree you must be making a lot of money. Why do you complain about teachers salaries? Or maybe you made the wrong choice in life.
Respectfully,
NOT A TEACHER

Anonymous said...

You are assuming that the teacher got their degree while working for Greece.

PS...it is 187 days a year in Greece.

SCATS said...

To 6:05PM ~~ I didn't say whether or not I am an engineer. You assumed. And for the record, home-schooled children can become engineers too. Many of our greatest scientists learned and created on their own, outside of public education ;)

SCATS said...

To 6:08PM ~~ And if they didn't get their degree in Greece then SOMETHING ELSE attracted them to come here to work ... like our benefits maybe? Now that teachers have to compete for jobs, times will become much more interesting, I'm sure ;)

Anonymous said...

Again....The BOE/Superintendent turned down a paltry raise for teachers that included the teachers going into a lower medical plan. That would have saved the district roughly $4500 per teacher in medical benefits.

SCATS said...

To 6:16PM ~~ What do you consider to be "paltry?" Why isn't GTA talking if that's the case? They certainly pay their leader enough that he should stand up and represent them, don't you think? And if you aren't a teacher, what's your beef with this?

Anonymous said...

A comment for 5:59
Not original on my part as I read your posting.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe what you are saying is the teachers are ENTITLED to more $$ reguardless of the quality of product being produced.
As I said not original on my part but I am sure starting to see what some have been saying.

Anonymous said...

Scats, maybe you should interview the GTA pres/BOE and get the facts about this and expose the BOE for their incompetence.
My beef is that I am a taxpayer in Greece and they (BOE) are throwing away my money.

Also check your Board docs...in September the BOE approved a stipend for a teacher that is already retired.

Respectfully,
NOT A TEACHER

Anonymous said...

As for a better product being produced...Teachers are teachers. They are not parents. It all starts at home with the parents. It is as simple as that.

SCATS said...

To 6:28PM ~~ Since you already have the info you allude to, why not just spit it out, or email it to me? With some 1100 teachers in GCSD, I may not recognize all that have retired.

SCATS said...

To 6:31PM ~~ I think many teachers ARE parents too. Sadly, too many Greece teachers are parents of students who attend OTHER districts.

SCATS said...

To 6:28PM ~~ Only two stipends were approved in Sept. from what I can find. I'm not familiar with either person. I've asked someone else for info. We'll see if I get a response. I am aware that in the past GCSD has brought back retired staff to help out with a variety of things. I can't recall that any were to fill a stipend position though.

Anonymous said...

Scats,
Copied these from the Board DOCS for you....Minutes from9/8/09

Retirements
# Name Title Start
Date
Effective
Date Comments/Location
1. Crowley, Barbara 1.0 School Counselor 01/21/87 07/26/09 22 years of service
Athena Middle

Next meeting minutes...8/11...she was approved for a stipend...

47. Crowley, Barbara
Counseling and Student
Support Department
Leader
Athena Middle $350.00 09/01/09 Leadership


Retired 7/26
Received stipend effective 9/01

So,just how closely does the BOE look at what they are approving?

Anonymous said...

From what I know, this person retired and moved to California. She can't be a leader from there.

Anonymous said...

Charlie H. - are you SCATS????

SCATS said...

To 6:53 & 6:57 PM ~~ I will forward that info. Thank you.

To 6:58PM ~~ Ha!

SCATS said...

To 6:53PM ~~ you know, the bigger question is who is requesting such a shady stipend approval from that school? Think about it this way ... BOE is asked to approve the stipend on 8/11 (which they did) BUT they don't know she retired before that until the NEXT month!

Concerned Parent said...

Scats...in regards to the "old" suicide threat by a greece employee this week. How do we know it was old? The BOE is taking the word of an unstable person? Why doesn't the Greece BOE take the same action as RCSD? They MHA (mental health arrested) an employee this week with lesser info than the Greece BOE was given.

SCATS said...

To ConcernedParent ~~ I was told:
1 - that the Facebook page was "months old" and
2 - had been posted in conjunction with the death of a pet (incredible, I know). Since that time,
3 - the employee has been trying to get Facebook to remove the page.

Since the person I contacted is in a position of responsibility, anything that transpires after the fact will fall on this person's shoulders, as well as all of the people you copied in on your email. I've retained all the email I have on this subject. I'd advise you to do the same ;)

Anonymous said...

The retiree had to submit paper work to the BOE in June in order to retire on 7/26. So obviously the BOE knew that she was retired. As to who would submit this shady stipend, from what I understand it can only come from the PRINCIPAL of Athena Middle. Another shady adminstrator in Greece? I know this is his THIRD DISTRICT without tenure.
Makes you wonder HUH?

Concerned Parent said...

They took the word of this person that it was "old". I wonder what else she has on facebook that she doesn't want seen.
Regardless if the facebook post was "Old" or not. This indicates an unstable person. How safe are our children in this school/classroom.

SCATS said...

To 7:39PM ~~ I think the person who submitted the paperwork should be held accountable, no ifs ands or buts about it. While I don't absolve the BOE of their responsibility here, I do realize they are inundated with "paperwork" each month. Maybe BoardDocs helps this sort of thing to get lost in the shuffle. I can see where it might.

SCATS said...

To ConcernedParent ~~ "I just confirmed with the deputy super that the Athena report is months old and is not valid." That is part of the response I received. I got the impression that this "threat" may have been known about "months ago." I can't tell for sure from the wording and I do share your uneasy feelings. I'm not sure exactly what procedures/protocols Greece can use to "force" an employee into counselling. Anyone know the facts on this?

Anonymous said...

Maybe you could use your contacts and let them know what the Principal of Athena Middle has done. By the way...how would this affect his JUUL agreement?

Anonymous said...

So Don Nadolinski knew about this months ago and did nothing about it?

SCATS said...

To 7:50PM ~~ Oh I have already sent an email & I certainly will follow it up! I assume you are referring to the stipend/retirement situation, correct?

Anonymous said...

When I lost my dog, I didn't threaten to kill myself, I went out and bought another dog!

SCATS said...

To 7:52PM ~~ I do not know that for sure. As I said, it may have been. Hard to tell.

SCATS said...

To 7:54PM ~~ Well, at least three of us agree the reaction with the Facebook page was odd.

Anonymous said...

No, I was actually referring to the "concerned parent" email. You said the deputy super knew about it months ago. And what? They still did nothing about it?

Anonymous said...

Why is the District protecting this employee?

SCATS said...

My exact words were: I got the impression that this "threat" may have been known about "months ago."

KEYWORD: MAY

SCATS said...

To 7:58PM ~~ From my years of experience watching GCSD, that is how they react to any concern brought by a parent or other outsider. Look what happened in the hockey incident?

Anonymous said...

So this employee "MAY" be suicidal or "MAY" not be?

I think there are more than 3 people who agree that the District's response was irresponsible.

SCATS said...

ConcernedParent ~~ How many in the Athena "school community" are aware of this person and the Facebook page threat that you know about? A few? A lot?

SCATS said...

ConcernedParent ~~ I have an idea of what you can do that may provide you with some added measure of comfort, and possibly even more info. Why not call that Safe School Hotline number I had posted? They MUST respond to that, as far as I know. And if they do not, well then you have a story lots of people will be interested in hearing. Tell them you have an ONGOING CONCERN about this person. The number is in SCATS index under "Hotline numbers."

Concerned Parent said...

Scats,
I have no idea how many were/are aware of it but I am sure the media would love to get a hold of it.

SCATS said...

I just looked up GCSD ploicy and all I can find is a policy for students related to counseling ...

SCATS said...

I'm sure the media would be interested. I suggest calling that HOTLINE next though. Let's put this device to the test ;)

Here's the number: 1-800-418-6423

SCATS said...

If you use that hotline number and get no satisfaction, I'd say Berkeley Brean at Ch 10 or Jane Flasch at Ch 13 are good media contacts for something like this;)

Anonymous said...

If she is tenured, then the District will have a lot of work to do, but if she is not? Then she will have plenty of time to find a new dog.

This is a joke that the District would still allow this person to work!

SCATS said...

To 8:17PM ~~ Is this person a teacher? All I was told was an "employee."

SCATS said...

If this person is a teacher, we will be told little to nothing even if the district takes some sort of action. It's a "personnel issue." However, if it was a student who made such a "threat" ... regardless of how old the threat was ... can you imagine what would have happened by now? They'd probably be an inpatient at Unity's mental health facility by now. Sad, truly sad.

I still say the Hotline Number is the way to go for a next step. It would be good to find out if they respond to such a "threat." Better to test it out now than to wait until it's really needed during a crisis. If it stonewalls the caller, the media is next up for a call. Just my opinion ...

Concerned Parent said...

She is not a teacher. She is an aide in a special education classroom.

Anonymous said...

What is a JUUL agreement? And how do you get one?

Anonymous said...

re: "old" facebook.

All those things are timestamped so that would tell you if it was old or not.

But to be honest, to delete a facebook page the user just has to log in, start the deletion process and then not log in for a couple weeks, and that will delete it. The problem will be if the person can't log in anymore, for whatever reason (lost password, lost username, etc etc)

SCATS said...

To ConcernedParent ~~ Thanks for the info ;)

To 8:50PM ~~ I heard the BOE talking about this once ... but I can't recall what it stands for or even what it is any more ... sorry :(

To 9:03PM ~~ It should be that easy, but often it isn't. I know from my own bad experience. Not long ago, I read an article that said deleting a Facebook account can require as many as a dozen different steps including writing to Facebook via snail mail. If you don't want your info in cyberspace for evermore, it's wise to never post it to start with.

Anonymous said...

Not that this has gotten off subject or anything, but my question much earlier still hasn't been answered: If teaching is such an incredibly tuff and under-appreciated/compensated occupation, why is there such a huge number of people hoping to get involved in it?

Anonymous said...

Doesn't need to be posted, but as an FYI if you need it (from wikihow, and I never tried so don't know if it doesn't work or what):

To ensure Facebook has none of your vital information you should sign in delete all networks, photos, friends, inbox/outbox messages, contact info, and basically anything connecting you to the page.

Go to bottom of home page click on help which will lead you to help center.

At help center skip over the options and go to permanently delete. This should be number 3 on the list of help options; on a list on the right of the help center page.

Follow the steps which may include you typing in your log in information such as email, password, and a captcha.

Do not log in for the next 14 days and it will be deleted completely. However, if you change your mind before the 14 days period, just log in and this will reactivate your account!

To speed up the process and if the above failed email Facebook directly at privacy@facebook.com and request them to delete your account.
Wait to get an email response from Facebook confirming that your account has been permanently deleted. This should take a few days.

If you don't hear back from Facebook within a week, email them again at privacy@facebook.com. As well as support@facebook.com and info@facebook.com.

Finally, attempt to log in to your account once you get an email from Facebook. If you're unable to log in and don't get a message asking you to reactivate your account, your Facebook account has been permanently deleted.

(also, what I meant before was if you could not log in, in the first place to begin the deletion process)

SCATS said...

To 10:35PM ~~ A couple of folks have brought this issue up so posting it certainly can't hurt. Thank you.

To 10:13PM ~~ I'm betting you don't get your answer ...

Anonymous said...

A JUUL agreement is an agreement to extend a probationary appointment for an additional year when the teacher/administrator will not be recommended for tenure at the end of the probationary period. Under such an agreement, the district waives its right to dismiss the teacher/administrator at the end of the probationary period and the teacher waives any claim of tenure by estoppel (which essentially means that if a board of ed misses the deadline by which to grant or deny tenure, the employee gets it by default). The employee is given a second chance to prove his or her worth and the diestict is free to grant or withhold tenure at the end of the fourth year - if tenure is withheld, the employee is out of a job.

SCATS said...

To 1:51PM ~~ Thank you for that concise explanation. I wonder if we've ever used this option ... ?

Anonymous said...

SCATS - yes, Greece has used that option on a few occasions. Some people were successful in obtaining tenure - some not. And, you're welcome for the explanation. : )