Thursday, September 17, 2009

Unshackle Upstate Seeks Reform On Public Employee Contracts

They want to halt automatic pay raises for teachers, cops & other public employees whose contracts expire.

New report asserts that public sector salaries outpace the private sector by 10%;
Benefits are much greater than private employees receive which causes an unfair tax burden

Reform of the Taylor Law & Triborough Amendment is sought.

STORY

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

I know that some think union wages are the problem but you are attacking the wrong end of the horse. These attacks will actually make the economic situation in Greece far worse.

The unshackle people have an agenda or at least a political point of view. it is based on lowering workers wages and making the most profits for themselves. They don't have the interests of ordinary working folks who make up the majority of Greece residents at heart.
Think logically here. If workers have less wages they will buy less and be more vulnerable to economic shocks.

We need to raise the ages for all workers, not lower them. Despite what you think are such high raises, the average worker is falling way behind in relation to inflation. Do folks out here have any rational self-interest?

SCATS said...

To 3:35PM ~~ I seriously doubt that the majority of Greece workers are union workers. Therefore, your assertion that Unshackle Upstate doesn't have the "majority" of Greece residents interests at heart is likely misleading, if not outright incorrect. And union employees are no longer "the average workers" based upon the report mentioned ... IMHO.

Anonymous said...

When wages drop for one group that does hurt everyone else. Members of that group have less to spend at local businesses and deflationary wage pressure is applied all others in the community - whether union or non-union.

Would there be such an outcry over the teachers' contract if many others in the community weren't facing difficult economic conditions?

Unshackle Upstate is basically a front for the Chamber of Commerce:

http://www.unshackleupstate.com/partners/

So it's not surprising they want to do anything in their power to slow wage growth, which is remarkably short-sighted considering it will mean less can be spent at the businesses. Sadly they are just looking at their own bottom lines and are unable to see the great impact of the policies they propose. These same people will loose it if cuts to business subsidies are proposed.

Anonymous said...

They are no trying to drop their wages but rather keep them at the same place. Now when a contract is at an impasse their wages "step right up".

Anonymous said...

On somewhat of a side note, I wanted to mention my "favorite" piece of reading material to come home from school this year... so far that is: A request issued to parents, seeking volunteers for the school's staff appreciation day! LOL, are you freaking kidding me!?!? Watch as all the parents looking to get their little angels special attention sign up in droves. Can you say "extortion"? Guess the 80k a year (ie 187 working days if you don't take a single day off), plus their incredible benefits doesn't show enough appreciation, eh? To anyone's knowledge, is their another group of people that are more out of touch with reality than our teachers?

LeRogueBlogger said...

Political candidates and office holders(of all parties and platforms) spring to mind 5:35. Where's that old email funny about our reps?

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-17-05/discussion.cgi.60.html

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-17-05/discussion.cgi.60.html

Anonymous said...

To 5:35--I am one of those "out of touch with reality" teachers. What I guess I am most out of touch with is the fact that there is so much animosity towards us. No wonder students behave the way they do today; they see how their disrespectful, waiting-for-a-handout parents act. I love how the people on this blog complain that it is the fault of the teachers when students do not graduate. Let me tell you, if I didn't get good grades, let alone graduate, my parents would have made QUITE SURE that I studied my little butt off for hours every day to rectify that situation. They would NOT have passed the buck and blamed it on someone else, ESPECIALLY not my teachers! If you wished you had our pay or hours, GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND GET YOUR DEGREE TO BECOME A TEACHER!!! Stop your complaining--and by the way, we don't ask for things from the parents for "appreciation"--the PTA does. The only thing I want from the parents of my students is kids who behave and do their work; i.e., children who value education. Also, those people who make 80+ grand a year are those teachers who have worked for over 25 years--trust me, there are not too many of those left who can stick it out teaching, especially since I read that 50% of teachers don't make it 5 years! After that long in this career, I would say those people have definitely earned it, especially if they have had to deal with the adults on this site as children they had to teach! Can't wait to read your response, SCATS!
A Proud Teacher Who Happens to Work in Greece

SCATS said...

To 6:21PM ~~ When I went to school, I did what I was supposed to do. I got reasonable grades and I graduated in 4 yrs. before going on to college. The worst trouble I ever got into at school was in second grade. I was made to stand in the hall once for ... can you guess? Voicing my opinion!! :)

Anonymous said...

6:21, Perhaps people in your line of work, especially in this town, wouldn't receive "so much animosity" if you, as a group, stopped asking for MORE. Let me ask you this: How much is enough? At what dollar/benefit amount will you finally say that you've scratched and dug enough away from taxpayers in our community? Your claim that it's the 25 year veterans make the kind of money mentioned earlier is true, but feel free to mention that it's in return for working half a year... half a year! How does that kind of money translate in terms of "dollars per days worked"? Oh, and by the way, I'm well aware that the PTA is the group pushing the "appreciation day". Is there a bigger group of suck a##es than these people. Have some respect for yourselves as a whole, and tell the PTA to put their efforts in a direction of NEED. I for one would be absolutley embarassed to have this group of 40 year old teachers pets stroking me in a effort to get their kids a leg up on others. Instead, you give them and their kids exactly that, don't you? By the way, since one of the only two things you want from your kids is good behavior, what has your union done to ensure bad behavior is dealt with by the district. I didn't see the signs reading "WE DEMAND GOOD BEHAVIOR FROM OUR STUDENTS" at your recent rally, or any GTA rally for that matter! Poor you, WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Anonymous said...

Team, we need to hold off on the pro-union propoganda until after the election, when it'll be too late for people to actually do anything about it.

We all know Greece residents didn't react too well to the little walkabout on Long Pond. Check the D&C blogs and SCATS post on it.

Shouldn't everyone have just kept quiet on the contract and secretly enjoyed the 4% a year pay increases and schweet health plan? We all know private sector people don't remotely enjoy this so ixnay on the iningwhay.

Anonymous said...

It's kinda hard to have jobs if there's no businesses and employers. I get wanting "fair wages" (people working 30 years aren't making $80k+) but crippling business in the process isn't going to help in the long run. Government can only sustain running our banks, auto industry and eventually healthcare for so long before it crashes.

When you shift people from making their own money (private sector) to making money off the government, you need more and more to feed the beast. People making their own money and funding the government can only handle so much squeezing before we crash.

I remember being promised that the state was only going to raise taxes on rich people. How's that working for us right now? Not so good. We middle class workers (private sector) are getting socked too and we can't afford it.

Don't come to us (private sector) for more money so you (unions) can live comfortable. Your bosses are livin high on the hog and preaching as if they understand our pain. Sorry, not buyin it.

What happened to this site? SCATS and 1 or 2 more commenters are the only ones defending taxpayers now?

SCATS said...

To 9:19PM ~~ I think there are more than a couple, but there are also so many different BLOG entries these days. With the GPD investigation & lawsuits, the upcoming elections, the teachers contract issue and "regular" GCSD news, it's a lot to keep up with. This BLOG topic has only been up for a little over 6 hrs. I think 9 comments from other people in that short time is good!

Anonymous said...

IMHO, most of the heaviest comments are on the town administration/campaign related posts. School district and posts like this barely get any comments. It seems to me that the pro-union/pro-Maloney people wouldn't touch a story like this except to promote pro-union rhetoric like you have in the first few comments here because they can't help themselves.

Once you get past disliking Auberger (not defending him, trust me) you'll see you have a campaign slate (Maloney's) that if elected will make Greece worse than you think it is now.

Look at the comments I'm talking about here. They clearly fly in the face of what this site was created for, cutting taxes, getting spending under control and cleaning up the GCSD. You're discussions here have helped improve GCSD from where it once was (kudos!).

You might not believe it right now, but the slate you're supporting is just going to be all that you've opposed in the past.

Don't believe me? Watch how I get pummelled here for saying this (unless they leave me alone to not draw attention). Just for kicks, fire off some more stories like the one you have up this morning and watch the reaction and number of comments. Then take a shot at Auberger again and watch the comment count shoot through the roof.

In all honesty, I can't believe Joe Moscato would team up with these guys. He's more of a tax/spending cut kinda guy but he's joined a pro-tax and spend slate. He'd be the only one I'd vote for.

SCATS said...

To 7:54AM ~~ I think the real problem at this juncture is that people feel betrayed by current office-holders who are all Republicans. The choice for change this fall is a heavily union-connected slate of candidates. I have said fairly consistently that we need to bring the two-party system back to our town govt by getting 2 or 3 Democrats elected to Town Board/Supervisor positions. It will open things up for debate, a much needed change!

Anonymous said...

So which pro-union candidates would you want to see on the town board with Moscato? (I don't put him in the pro-union category). All the rest are union affiliated including Dan. If the Democrats had put up a non-all-union slate, I could see your point, but I think they blew it. If Maloney and company win, Greece becomes a union controlled town (do you really know who you're helping here?). People know that and probably will end up voting for Auberger knowing he can't run again next time.

Voters will have stopped the union takeover of Greece and will be rid of Auberger because he can't run again. Two birds with one stone and we're back on track. Actually, if you guys get Moscato in, mission accomplished for now. Work to keep him there and try and get another non-union Dem on next go round. It doesn't seem like the union team is doing much for Joe anyways.

Even with any union endorsements, I still think Moscato is his own man. I don't know if I can say the same for the rest of them (don't know the judge candidates running).

SCATS said...

To 11:03AM ~~ I'd like to see at least two seats on the Town Board changed to provide some balance. One person is totally impotent to try to do anything. We've seen it on the BOE time & time again. You can't even get an item on the agenda without another person to second the motion. No second, no discussion. That would be about the same as what we have now, which is UNACCEPTABLE.

Anonymous said...

11;03
I was told Moscato was the head of the police union for years and with the endorcement of GTA I am wondering why you would make the conclustion about not being pro union.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, no matter how much you disagree with their political philosophies? No matter how bad it would be for us residents? No matter how bad their policies would be? (look at their union background and you know where they stand)

I don't know that I'm ready to accept the bad just to get rid of Auberger.

SCATS said...

To 2:46PM ~~ With Auberger, you already have "accepted the bad." Look at the last 2 years! It's ALL under his watch. It's ALL with his policies. It's ALL with him running every aspect of the show in Greece. With Auberger, we know it's OK to hire bad cops tossed out of other agencies. He did it knowing their record.

Anonymous said...

And when all the bad guys are convicted of their crimes this will be all over. But if Maloney winds we'll have 4 years of raised taxes and increased spending, UAW union leaders running town government, and a guy at the top who doesn't know anything but stumbling through politically motivated press conferences.

Sorry, but I'm not interested. Maybe SCATS can do a 180 on principles (you used to oppose high taxes) but don't expect residents to do the same.

SCATS said...

To 10:15PM ~~ Speaking of stumbling through ... I think you overuse the word "wind" to the point that your own sails became useless.

Anonymous said...

Why do you keep saying you're not supporting a particular candidate when it's clear that you are SCATS? What are you afraid of? Be proud of backing Dan Maloney! He's going to be your next Supervisor.

SCATS said...

To 10:36AM ~~ I keep saying it because it's true. SCATS has endorsed NO ONE. If the postings appear to be one-sided it's because the Republicans have chosen not to participate. If they don't want free advertising, it's fine by me.