Thursday, September 17, 2009

PTA Seeks Parent Volunteers For Staff Appreciation Day

The Request Is Unappreciated By All

Anonymous said...
" ...I wanted to mention my "favorite" piece of reading material to come home from school this year... so far that is: A request issued to parents, seeking volunteers for the school's staff appreciation day! LOL, are you freaking kidding me!?!? Watch as all the parents looking to get their little angels special attention sign up in droves. Can you say "extortion"? Guess the 80k a year (ie 187 working days if you don't take a single day off), plus their incredible benefits doesn't show enough appreciation, eh? To anyone's knowledge, is their another group of people that are more out of touch with reality than our teachers?"    9/17/2009 5:35 PM

Anonymous said...
"To 5:35--I am one of those "out of touch with reality" teachers. What I guess I am most out of touch with is the fact that there is so much animosity towards us. No wonder students behave the way they do today; they see how their disrespectful, waiting-for-a-handout parents act. I love how the people on this blog complain that it is the fault of the teachers when students do not graduate. Let me tell you, if I didn't get good grades, let alone graduate, my parents would have made QUITE SURE that I studied my little butt off for hours every day to rectify that situation. They would NOT have passed the buck and blamed it on someone else, ESPECIALLY not my teachers! If you wished you had our pay or hours, GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND GET YOUR DEGREE TO BECOME A TEACHER!!! Stop your complaining--and by the way, we don't ask for things from the parents for "appreciation"--the PTA does. The only thing I want from the parents of my students is kids who behave and do their work; i.e., children who value education. Also, those people who make 80+ grand a year are those teachers who have worked for over 25 years--trust me, there are not too many of those left who can stick it out teaching, especially since I read that 50% of teachers don't make it 5 years! After that long in this career, I would say those people have definitely earned it, especially if they have had to deal with the adults on this site as children they had to teach! Can't wait to read your response, SCATS!"
A Proud Teacher Who Happens to Work in Greece   9/17/2009 6:21 PM

Anonymous said...
"6:21, Perhaps people in your line of work, especially in this town, wouldn't receive "so much animosity" if you, as a group, stopped asking for MORE. Let me ask you this: How much is enough? At what dollar/benefit amount will you finally say that you've scratched and dug enough away from taxpayers in our community? Your claim that it's the 25 year veterans make the kind of money mentioned earlier is true, but feel free to mention that it's in return for working half a year... half a year! How does that kind of money translate in terms of "dollars per days worked"? Oh, and by the way, I'm well aware that the PTA is the group pushing the "appreciation day". Is there a bigger group of suck a##es than these people. Have some respect for yourselves as a whole, and tell the PTA to put their efforts in a direction of NEED. I for one would be absolutley embarassed to have this group of 40 year old teachers pets stroking me in a effort to get their kids a leg up on others. Instead, you give them and their kids exactly that, don't you? By the way, since one of the only two things you want from your kids is good behavior, what has your union done to ensure bad behavior is dealt with by the district. I didn't see the signs reading "WE DEMAND GOOD BEHAVIOR FROM OUR STUDENTS" at your recent rally, or any GTA rally for that matter! Poor you, WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"   9/17/2009 8:39 PM

To the Greece PTAs ~~Can you hear us now?
Neither teachers nor parents want "Staff Appreciation Days"
   

58 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would like to be appreciated.
-S

Anonymous said...

I appreciate you.
-C

Anonymous said...

I can bake cookies.
-A

Anonymous said...

To 8:39--I don't want anyone feeling sorry for me. I happen to love my job. I love what I do. I love that the parents of my students send me notes to thank me for what I do and how hard I work. I love that my students come back and visit me every year because I made a difference in their lives. I love that my students complain it is a Friday, because they love to come to school and learn. I love that they say how fast the day goes because of all the fun learning that is going on. I am only trying to educate the complainers. I want people on this site to hear what teachers have to say. There are many parents in the community that appreciate what we do every day. Teachers are hard working, caring people that spend an enormous amount of time every day with 20-25 of other people's children. Funny, people always say no one goes into teaching for the money, so I guess we teachers aren't doing as well financially as certain complainers on this blog think. The only really nice cars I ever see in the parking lot are those belonging to administrators.
A Proud Teacher Who Happens to Work in Greece

Anonymous said...

I have to agree that this is a PTA sponsered event and in our schools we have staff week in the spring. In our schools we have many teachers, aids, custodians, nurses, and office staff that are very dedicated. As a parent I feel that this is optional, and in no way extortion, ( unlike supplies requested for extra credit).

If you want to participate then do so, if you don't then don't. I mean do you really think that tin of muffins from SAMS is geting your kids any where? Coffee

SCATS said...

To Coffee ~~ Sadly, YES! I've seen it time and again myself. There's a certain type of parent who learns early on that sucking up to teachers, coaches and the like OFTEN has a payoff for little Johnny or Janie.

LeRogueBlogger said...

So for those parents, the idea isn't "I appreciate you" but rather "I appreciate what you may be able to do for my kid on the sly"?

And it is up to the teacher care about trying to figure out if an involved parent is a concerned, caring parent, or a shortcut seeking parent.

SCATS said...

To proud teacher ~~ I think if there is one point that is important to make here it is this: As a teacher with 25 kids (approx.) you must realize that not all parents are "bad parents." I say that despite the blanket statement and condemnation you made before: "No wonder students behave the way they do today; they see how their disrespectful, waiting-for-a-handout parents act.

I think that we parents have heard so much trashing of our collective reputations in this district that we've become the scapegoats for all of GCSD's ills! I hear it nearly every BOE meeting, often by other parents themselves!

There are no "perfect" parents, I know. And there are no "perfect" teachers either. Everyone has a bad day sometimes. But I'm getting mighty tired of hearing how all the district's ills are due to poor parenting! Talk about never getting any credit. Parents in this district get none as a group, not even the ones who really try to make sure their kids are rested, fed and prepared for school with the orange and purple folders we traveled to Niagara Falls to locate!

I know there are staff appreciation days. Where are the Parent Appreciation days for the people on this side of the classroom walls who have done their job? I'm not even expecting a muffin, just a word of "We realize you really tried and we appreciate it."

SCATS said...

To LRB ~~ Exactly right! You said it well, thank you!

Anonymous said...

I sincerely appreciate 7:23's opening comment. I only beg to differ about the going into teaching for the money point. While not the only reason, the pay, health benefits and overall job security are in fact reasons why I hear parents encouraging their children to go into teaching. NYSUT is one of the most powerful unions in this state and, imho, exchange endorsements and campaign contributions for support on overly generous legislation. That'd be fine if people didn't feel that the teacher's unions constantly scream for more each and every year. Education funding has skyrocketed in the last 10 years. At this point, either stop demanding more money or work collectively to scale back unnecessary waste. Textbooks rotting in warehouses is immoral.

CoffeeReady said...

Scats I do believe that it happens for some. I guess then the PTA is party to this sucking up and they make it known who the "contributers" are. There will always folks that will exploit an event so that it directly benefits themselves.

LMAO it felt and cost as much as a trip to Niagra Falls with all the requested items that I had to hunt find! After which I felt as drowning in the falls would have been less painful and certainly cheaper :)

And I love your last paragraph!

Anonymous said...

A GTA member blaming parents and claiming it's their rotten kids for why they need more than 4% annual raises and having taxpayers picking up more of their 90% healthcare coverage isn't going to get much sympathy here.

Be careful what you ask for this year people, you just might get it.

Anonymous said...

The Bottom Line is......the bottom line. It is all about the bucks. If I read one more GTA blogger whine that it is all about the kids I will toss my lunch. The Public Policy Research Institute recent survey of teachers college graduates found that over 70 percent of respondents selected teaching as a profession because....of....."the work schedule", "above average pay" and the "retirement". That all for the kids stuff is a load of SH--. Oh and please stop shoving the "I have to earn a Masters degree to do my job" in our face. We pay for your advanced degree and a masters degree is not really that big of a deal if you are professional student who has never had a real job.

Anonymous said...

So there are some people that are very good at school(auditory learners) seemed to get along with and behave for teachers(female students) not very good at math though(future elementary teachers)felt the need to be needed and help others (possibly dysfunctional/co-dependent) and needed to major in something in college. There you have the background of many school teachers and counselors. Boy I sure hope you can't trace this IP address because I consider many of these people friends and what does that make me?

Anonymous said...

To 9/17 8:39 -
When did 10 months become half a year? I realize the math program has come under fire in Greece, but still...

SCATS said...

To 2:27PM ~~ Though your comment was directed elsewhere I think I'm well-versed enough to respond. I want to know when 185 days became 10 months? ;)

Anonymous said...

2:27

Here is the math simply for you.
185 "have to be at work" days. That would be 185 divided by 5 for the number of weeks. That would be 37 weeks in the whole year. Let's not quibble about the first day of school and the last day of school as the span. We all know there are many days off in between.
Now figure that a year is 52 weeks. So what part of 52 is 37. Hold on I'm doing the division on paper. Never liked calculators. ..Okay so the answer is 71%. So 37 weeks is 71% of a year. You are wrong about the 10 months since there are many days that the teachers can be anywhere but at school. And strictly speaking the other writer is wrong about half the year.....but.....maybe not...When you realize that the "have to be there at school" work day for a teacher is less than 6 hours then that is 3/4 ths of what the rest of us would consider a workday to be. So lets take 3/4ths of that 71% and we have.....hold on back to the paper.....53.31% of a year. Voila that other writer was right. It is half the working year.
And to top it all off those days off for teachers are a given from the moment they are hired. Six hour work days and 15 weeks off. They don't have to accrue vacation time.

Anonymous said...

2:27- When you find time, please put that Masters degree (I paid for) to good use and answer SCATS question, LOL! Then let SCATS readers know about the "additional" days off allowed off per your contract. In addition to those days off, I dare you to ask the GTA what the rate of unscheduled absenteeism is among it's members. Now throw in the assorted "professional development" gatherings/mixers. Tell me teachers, how many WORKING days are there in your 10 month (ie 185 day) work schedule? They ought to do a freakin' reality show that places teachers into the real working world for a year. I'm thinking Survivor meets The Biggest Loser. I'll be waiting on those aswers!

Anonymous said...

Why can't teachers be hired to work the entire year even though the school year is some 185 days? They could get 1 week of vacation time after they have worked 6 months. Even though the school day is only 5 or 6 hours they could work 8 hours at school doing something professional and important. They could get an hour unpaid lunch so their day would be maybe 6 to 3 or maybe 8 to 5. They could still get the major holidays off like the rest of corporate America (except for many that work retail or work in factories and others ) and after each year could get a bit more vacation time. They could get a starting salary and at performance appraisal time see if they will get a raise. If the budget doesn't allow a raise they will get a good performance appraisal but sorry no raise.
Maybe part of the problem is that we are in a box thinking that the teacher's day has to be an exact reflection of the students required school day.
Of course this would not be allowed by the union contract but it is an idea.
And for all those days when the kids don't have to be in school the teachers could be at work like the rest of us. They would then have to find creative child care like the rest of the parents.

SCATS said...

To 6:23PM ~~ You mentioned "Maybe part of the problem is that we are in a box thinking that the teacher's day has to be an exact reflection of the students required school day."

I'd like everyone to note that we're talking about the MINIMUM required school day and Greece's is about as short as it gets around the County of Monroe ;)

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a good idea everywhere not just in Greece. Does anyone know why the teachers have been allowed to have such a short workday? is it after unions started to represent them?
Talking about public employees. Has anyone had the need to visit the social security office on ridge rd behind Kohls now? They are RUDE.
Job security sure lowers performance.

SCATS said...

To 9:05PM ~~ I don't know how the day got so short other than through contract negotiations. I suspect that over time, school districts make "concessions" and the length of the day ends up taking a hit.

Regarding the SS office behind Kohl's: You are the second person to mention this. It's news to me, so I'm wondering, is it an ADDITIONAL office or does it replace the one that was in Country Village Plaza?

Regarding rude public servants, the people at DMV have gone back to their old ways from before Maggie Brooks was County Clerk. I do give her credit for shaking things up bigtime at DMV when she first took the reigns. Seems like another shakeup is due!

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to the wikipedia article on teacher's union history. See the part "recent" where Wisconsin was the first to unionize teachers. The organization has been around since the 1800's. Powerful. I seem to remember on this blog a veiled threat that if the people succeed that want the triborough repealed, they should look forward to strikes. That sounds threatening. The union must feel threatened to bully in this way.
Also interesting in the article is the Steve Jobs quote about how you could run a business if you had to keep bad employees (paraphrase)
As always be careful of wikipedia but this seems pretty accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association

SCATS said...

To 9:51PM ~~ NY State has a higher union membership rate of employed wage and salary workers than any other state in the nation ... it's about 25%. For some really interesting stats:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf

Anonymous said...

Staff appreciation days are fine with me. Thank you.

SCATS said...

To 10:10PM ~~ Good for you! We'll let you provide all the amenities needed to have one :)

Anonymous said...

Scats thanks for that link. It will take some study but at first glance it looks like New York state is the grand daddy of union states.

SCATS said...

To 10:27PM ~~ That we are!

You're welcome ... the Dept. of Labor site has TONS of such info for anyone interested.

Anonymous said...

Ridge Rd SS office replaces the country village one. Permanently? Don't know.

SCATS said...

To 12:05AM ~~ Thanks for the info! It's good to know about these things, in case I ever get to collect a SS check!

Anonymous said...

SCATS-In re. to your 9:23 posting: Please do not put words in my mouth! Most of the parents of students I teach every year are WONDERFUL! But it amazes me that the students who are USUALLY doing poorly academically are those who have parents that never: return phone calls, come in for conferences or sign student work. In my newsletters I make it a habit to thank my parents for giving me such great students! On another note, to 8:39--here is a math equation for you. There are 52 weeks in a year, we get 10 off for the summer (not really because it takes a full week to set up your classroom, and if you don't believe me, in the next posting I will tell you all that needs to be done). We get another three off, and yes, some misc. bank holidays. So let's say now we are at 52 weeks minus 10 for summer and 3 for vacations. That is 39 weeks. I work 50-60 hours those weeks, including Saturdays and Sundays (yes, it is a perk that I can bring grading, planning, computer work, professional reading, etc. home with me). If you average it out, 55 hours is what I work a week (though that is still not including work I do over holidays or summer). Multiply 39 weeks times 55 hours per week. Take that number (2145) and divide it by the 49 usual weeks people work, and you still get over 40 hours. Please don't tell my husband, who watches me come home on Fridays and fall asleep on the couch by 7 or 8 that I only work half a year. We crunch a full year into the weeks we work, and more. At least, teachers who value their jobs do. Are there some that don't--yes, but there are doctors, dentists, lawyers, mail men, highway workers, etc etc etc that also don't. Do not judge a person until you walk a mile in their shoes.
A Proud Teacher Who Happens to Work in Greece

Anonymous said...

Greece Athena High School and the District out to be embarrassed and outraged at the new soccer fields that our kids were forced to play on this week. And taxpayers ought to be outraged that they only cost 1 million bucks and are 3 years behind in opeing.

Here's the list of just plain STUPID things-

The football field is dark and the AD is not allowing anyone to use it for any other sport until October-homecoming.

The concession stand is located on the opposite side of the fields in the football standv and there is no way to get to it without entering the facility but you can't because the grass area is blocked off. There goes fund raising for the banquet and the team........

There is no handicap access to the field so we had to carry people up a hill in their wheelchairs and strollers for kids

There is NO US FLAG for the National Anthem.

There are two sets of bleechers that are portable-hold about 20 people each and are not even level because the gound is not grade.

The field is situated so that the sun is directly in the eyes of the spectators the entire game because the AD feels all games should be held at 4:30pm on school nights when actually its because there are no lights.

The boys Varsity and JV all play at the same time and parents who have kids run back and forth.

Penfiedl, Brighton, Irond, Webster Hilton Arcadia etc etc all have facilities that are not only safe but demonstrate school pride.

Can someone please tell me why we would not just take the money we had and upgrade what we already had at the school in terms of that Football field or at least make sure that these fields were ready to use in time.

And please don't start the Athena performing arts conversation again-we know it cost 1 million dolalars we know thats dark half the time too.

Anonymous said...

You people here are so easily manipulated. Trash the union all you want. GTA and friends are gonna be running the show here in about 1 1/2 months. You can whine all you want but it's not going to matter. Thanks to those of you walking today.

Anonymous said...

I trust everyone has looked at

http://www.seethroughny.net/

pretty neet finding the actual salaries for any specific teacher or administrator or just about any NY State employee. Beware, seeing some of these salaries may not sit well with you.

SCATS said...

To Proud Teacher @8:19AM ~~ I don't believe that I put words into your mouth. I quoted what you wrote. Nowhere before or after that statement did you say that most parents were performing their duties. Just as you say that there are SOME teachers who don't perform their duties adequately, it now sounds like you are saying there are SOME parents who aren't up to snuff either. I wonder if it's possible that they are the same group of people ...?

You are the FIRST PERSON I'VE SEEN to say MOST PARENTS ARE WONDERFUL and I thank you for that!!

If that is the case, why is this district failing rather miserably in its performance on test scores and graduation rates and continues to have one or more buildings on the state's "Needs Improvement" list?

SCATS said...

To 8:57AM ~~ That's quite a whiney list of non-academic "wrongs" committed by the taxpayers of Greece, isn't it? Here's a few solutions ...

1 - Consider it to be part of your warm-up when you carry people up the hill.

2 - Tell people to BRING SUNGLASSES!

3 - Find a Boy Scout, dust off a flag that's in the school's storage room, give it to him and HONOR HIM by asking him to hold it during the anthem :)

4 - The exercise is GOOD for the parents who have to run back & forth. It was THEIR CHOICE to support children on both teams.

5 - Regarding Penfield, Brighton and other schools outside of Greece: They are NOT GReece! There is no reason to expect Greece to be like they are. Feel free to move to the other side of the river.
Regarding Arcadia: You can use the school choice option just like everyone else in this district. If Johnny doesn't win the lottery, TELL THE BOE!

SCATS said...

To 10:46AM ~~ Thank you for that link! How handy, to be able to look up Town & School both :)

I had to play with the options before I could get GCSD's salaries up. Choose "Pay All Year" then choose "Branch/Category Schools" then choose "Agency/Area Greece Central Schools" and "Subagency Greece Central" again. Hit GO and the list pops right up.

SCATS said...

To 10:44AM ~~ Is GTA marching today?? Otherwise I have no idea what you mean by "walking."

Anonymous said...

To proud teacher

You still only have to be in the "plant" for the time in your contract. A luxury none of the rest of us have. Just because you are doing all your planning and grading on your couch doesn't mean all the rest of your union comrades are.

Anonymous said...

To that teacher
You get to pick up your kids at the sitters and take them home to be with you when you are doing your work. If they are school age you probably don't need child care at all because your schedule is the same as the school schedule of your children. Definitely an advantage.
If you already say you work so long why don't you stay at school to do that work? Kids family dinner house couch sound system....And why doesn't your union allow you to be required to be on campus for 8 hours a day? Because you all want the ability to make your own schedules during what is your free time outside the 5 and 3/4 hours you have to be in the Greece school.
And let's face it after a few years you've got the planning down to a science. It is only the first few years when you have to create those lesson plans. Shakespeare hasn't changed much in the last 10 years. And history has only added another decade. And the basics of pedagogy of elementary math and reading haven't changed since you graduated. Yes the district throws new texts and methods at you now and again but the basics of decoding and calculation are the same since we are humans that you are teaching.

Anonymous said...

Dearest 8:19: I really enjoyed your quote, "We crunch a full year into the weeks we work, and more. At least, teachers who value their jobs do. Are there some that don't--yes". I'm curious what the response of YOUR union was when you suggested it should be mantatory that all GTA members get on board with you. I haven't heard (and believe me I would have) the GTA tell it's members to put forth the effort you claim to be putting out. Lord knows if the GCSD asked for such mandatory effort, it wouldn't be allowed to finish the request. By the way, you never told us, what was the GTA's response when you mentioned one of your biggest concerns, student behavior? Oh, and thanks for covering the typical days off, that teachers get. Now, please feel free to touch on the "OTHER" days. Which ones? Glad you asked. Let's just say a teacher (with tenure :)) has an absenteeism rate of 15% (ABOVE AND BEYOND THE "ONLY" DAYS OFF YOU MENTIONED) this year, ridiculous I know ;), but let's go with it. What are the ramifications for that, besides the kids not learning a damn thing on those days off? Now let's say the GTA protects that teacher during that year, and the teacher turns around the following year and does it again, what happens then? Answer... NOT A DAMN THING! I asked the question here earlier and never got an answer, so I'll ask it again: What is the absenteeism rate among GTA members? Please stop embarassing yourself here, just get down on your knees and thank God that we have such and inept BOE that allows you people to rob us taxpayers without using a gun!

Anonymous said...

Scats at 12:01 There is a pub crawl that entrants walk from bar to bar and give money upfront to cure breast cancer. Maybe that's what they are doing.

SCATS said...

OK folks. I'm going to intervene here just a little bit on behalf of Proud Teacher. I really think you are all dumping on her, out of frustration, I know. But one person isn't going to change the system and she has at least spoken up!

First, I want to thank Proud Teacher for stepping up and engaging in this tough discussion! I am sure it can't be pleasant on her end of things. Secondly, I want to thank her for her honesty! She admits not all teachers are doing their job! She also admits that MOST parents are doing theirs. I really do appreciate hearing that! It shows me there is a sense of balance coming from this person and balance is healthy, realistic and honest. Her views are somewhat clouded by being in the occupation under attack here, that's perfectly human, too. So let's not stampede the messenger and make this too personal to one individual out of more than 1000.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, while I appreciate your 4:47 posting, I would love to hear a response from the proud teacher, corcerning my questions (4:42).

SCATS said...

Warning to BLOGGERS ~~ I'm not going to publish these silly one or two line comments that add nothing but fuel to the fire. Seriously, people ... grow up.

Anonymous said...

To 4:24--I do not know the percentage of absenteeism among GTA members--and, once again, I state that there probably are teachers who abuse "the system", just as there are countless of people all over in different professions (or not working at all) that also abuse "the system". I am not saying it is right, but I am saying that you are focused on the negative. You are correct, it is a luxury that I do get to work in the comfort of my home. I am sorry that you can't in your line of work; we all make choices. Also, curriculum changes every year, and when you plan 5 different subjects every day, and differentiate those subjects for between 4 and 5 different groups of children, it takes a few hours. I have my plans I look at from year to year, but our reading, writing, spelling and math programs change constantly. I am once again not whining, I am merely stating the facts. Perhaps you should shadow a teacher for a day and see what it is like. All I am trying to do is bring a different perspecitve to the table. And phew, I am glad I never had to deal with any parents like you in my class--luckily I have only had really nice ones who appreciate what I do, or the type that don't make contact at all! Maybe that is why I really can't understand the teacher bashing here. I never knew this type of bitterness existed until I found this site! I do not feel the slightest bit ashamed of my job or what comes with it. I know at the end of the day I work damn hard, care about my students, and did the best job I could. By the way, other teacher unions in Rochester have their contracts set up very much the same as ours. So it is not like Greece teachers have something that all other teachers don't. Thanks for kind of sticking up for me SCATS--there are many teachers who think the way I do, at least many I work with! And it is good to have dialogue between sides so we can better understand one another.
APTWHTWIG

Anonymous said...

So 8:18, we still don't have the answer to the absenteeism rate, right? Don't feel bad about not having that one, your union was asked the same question a few years ago and claimed to not know the answer either. LOL!

On to one of my other questions (and one of your two greatest concerns): student behavior. We never did find out what your union's response was to you when you put the same kind of effort you've shown here, into requesting your union address this with GCSD. Let me guess, you've never really approached your union about it, right? Allow me to suggest the following opening line in your letter: Dear GTA, Please stop trying to suck the community dry financially, and start to focus on real issues like students behavior. Let me know how your union responds.

Or how about another suggestion, since "student learning is the goal". Why not mention to your union that hundreds of thousands of dollars are wasted each and every year, bussing kids in any direction their parents choose? Why doesn't your union suggest spending that money on education, rather than segregation? Of course if that system was abolished all of the GTA members children would have to attend their neighborhood school istead of "winning" the every school lottery they ever enter. Which brings up another statistic you might be able to provide, what's the rate of teacher's kid's in lottery schools? Another of our town's teacher perks. Throw in your personal fitness center at Barnard (the YMCA is about $85 a month), and boy do you got it ruff.

MORE, MORE, MORE! You all need MORE!

Anonymous said...

8:18
You would have been fortunate to have a parent like me in your class and you might have. The debate here seems to be one of dismay at the lack of satisfaction that the teachers seem to have with their compensation and benefits. You can't just say it is your union that appears greedy and whiny with the lack of a new contract. They are representing you in these principled bargaining negotiations.
Think about the times and the community that is subsidizing your pay for whatever hours you are working. Many have no job. There are people in Monroe county that are not able to pay their utilities and car loans and mortgages and taxes. Although the bank keeps up on the taxes so when they foreclose the house can be theirs for the auction. Many middle class people are getting help from RGE and food stamps. Many are only living on unemployment. Soon even the break they get from COBRA will end. (BTW that is a continuation of your health benefits if you get laid off and you have to pay the whole shot.) These people will find it difficult to get even an apartment when they lose their house.
These were people that were hard working and would be again if they had a job. So all of us reading this should be grateful if we still have jobs. And we can't help but be very disappointed in our professional educators marching for a more lucrative salary and having little temper tantrums because they are "working without a contract". Ask anyone without a job if he or she would be willing to work without a contract.

Anonymous said...

Greece Teacher
Well-stated in each of your posts! Your respectful answers do not "bash",blame or criticize. Hearing the other point of view is refreshing for a change.

SCATS
Your response to Greece Teacher is refreshing also. You obviously don't agree with each other on all points, but you respectfully agree to disagree. You also question the problems and concerns you see rather than blame the whole group unfairly.
Most Greece parents are working hard to do what's best for their children. My appreciation for them is expressed at Curriculum Night, when they volunteer, when I call them from home in the evening, in my newsletters, etc. - whenever I interact with them as we work together for the best interests of their children (Yes, I am really in it for the kids-contrary to "slams" from people who presume to know me).

I also am a proud Greece Teacher, and I wouldn't trade my job for anything. I care about my children and their families, and I am committed to giving them my best every single day. This summer, as I do every year, I also purchased those red, green. yellow folders and other supplies that you mentioned - with my own money for my students who come to school without supplies. I watched the sales at Target, Walmart, Staples throughout the summer and picked up the sale items whenever I could.
I have taught in Greece for over 20 years, and I can tell you that in that time I have never once met a teacher who asks to "be appreciated" by PTA.
Being respected by community members would be nice, and I think there are many out there who do support us.
There are "bad apples" in every walk of life. However, there are also dedicated and committed individuals as well- and everything in between. Blaming doesn't accomplish anything. Blaming someone who works at a company because your new purchase is faulty or defective doesn't accomplish anything. I do my best to "produce a great product", but as you know our town and our society has many challenges for children and families.

To 11:44 and 5:30
Yes, I am well compensated for my job, but I didn't get in to teaching because of the hours and the pay.(By the way, I am in my building every day from 7:30 to 4:30, plus I take work home for @ an hour a night and @3 hours each weekend. I am in my classroom for 2 weeks before the start of school and 2 to 3 days after the end of school. I spent 3 weeks over the summer taking professional development courses to prepare myself for my students. Many of my colleagues in the building have similar work days) I did it because I know that I can, and do, make a difference every day in my classroom. I resent the implication and generalization that you "paid" for my college education. As a widowed parent with two young children, I sacrificed plenty to put myself through all six years of my college education - without a penny from Greece taxpayers.I re-paid my college loans for 10 years until it was time to begin to pay for my children's college educations.
I believe my pay is fair compensation for a professional with my level of education. Yes, I am almost at the top of my pay scale (not receiving $4000 raises every year as some would have you think), but as many of you in the community know my 2004 wages at 2009 prices make it equally as challenging for me during these tough times.
Our town has so many hurdles ahead of us. Hopefully more of its citizens will become positive forces in our community rather than haters and naysayers.

Anonymous said...

Trust me, I'm sure that 8:18 is not nearly as out of touch with reality as people think. 8:18, prove me right, and explain to everyone here how much money a Greece teacher has to fork out toward a family health care plan every month. Your right out here in the trenches with the rest of us, right 8:18?

Anonymous said...

Poor baby having to live at 2004 wages and having 90% of your health insurance paid for. And oh what benefits. Poor poor baby. You just don't get it that we don't feel sorry for you. Again any laid off worker that hasn't been able to find a job would be ecstatic to work for what they made in 2004. And most of the people I know that are still working are making exactly what they were in 2004 and many at Kodak and other places had to take off without pay 2 weeks this year. And there are others that are on 4 day weeks which is a 20% decrease. But all of them say how lucky they are to have a job and they can't complain. Why don't you grow up. And BTW teachers aren't the only ones that chose a profession for other reasons then just the money. But if you were given a 2% to 20% pay cut would you still be so satisfied. But that will never happen to you. Because even if our school budget funds get so low that we have to cut programs the teachers that remain will have no lowering in their pay.

Anonymous said...

12:15, you sound like a good and responsible person. Therefore I'm sure you've already contacted your union and told them, once and for all, "We're finally getting enough".

SCATS said...

To 12:43AM ~~ I debated whether to post your comments or not. Kindly refrain from the references to "poor baby" ... it is name-calling.

Anonymous said...

To scats from 12:43 Sorry won't happen again but thanks for printing it. I'm done but it was a good day of point/counterpoint. Good forum.

SCATS said...

To 1:04AM ~~ It WAS and IS a good discussion. Just keeping the lid on the anger though helps people to actually hear some of what the other side says ... I hope.

Anonymous said...

SCATS 12:01 - The unions, Greece Democratic Committee and supporters were walking for Dan Maloney and Jo Meleca this weekend.

SCATS said...

To 1:59PM ~~ Really? Where was this walk held? I saw nothing about it in the news.

Anonymous said...

I don't know about the "walk" but it probably means they are going door to door handing out fliers. Political term "walk for" meaning to have stuff dropped off at your house and then you handle different streets. Been there done that .
Anyone else notice that none of the handouts from candidates ever say anymore what party they are with? For a long time now. It used to be the parties had a "theme" and you could tell whether they were rep or dem. Now party affiliation is not an asset. Except for funds.