Wednesday, September 02, 2009

How Far Should Zero Tolerance Policies Reach?

GCSD's FM Radio Station (WGMC 90.1) Plans Wine & Jazz Fundraiser at the Memorial Art Gallery (Details)

SCATS ~~ Should this public service station of the district nix the alcohol in keeping with the district's zero tolerance policies?

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Zero tolerance policies should reach as far as Greece school business reaches. That includes the radio station which is housed in a school building, space at the mall and hockey coaches on overnight trips with the team. There should only be whine with the jazz.

Anonymous said...

I have been a volunteer for Jazz90.1 WGMC for many, many years. Let me clarify some things. First, the event is not put on by Jazz90.1or the Greece school district. It is coordinated and carried out through a seperate not-for-profit organization. This is no different than a booster club raising funds for the marching band, or a sports team. This event has gone on for three years, and has raised thousands of dollars for the public station, which is NOT funded by the GCSD. It's also important to note that this event is a TASTING and not a function that promotes people drinking heavily. Jazz90.1 must raise it's budget each year (including everything from supplies, materials, salaries, and benefits) through private donation.

Anonymous said...

I am sure after last year's hockey scandal, the rules are (re)written clear enough to know if the zero tolerance policy would be applicable here.

I mean, how far do we really go?

Anonymous said...

Either the district tolerates. Or it doesn't. What say you Steve A?

Anonymous said...

The problem with this kind of event is that the left hand (district office) doesn't know what the right hand (everything else) is doing!

It should be an alcohol-free fundraiser, period.

SCATS said...

To 10:02PM ~~ I appreciate your explanation but basically, the things you noted are just excuses for doing what has always been done, regardless whether it was in accordance with GCSD ploicy or not.

I think that whoever sponsors such events should promote the school district's "values" when fundraising. If zero tolerance is what we value (supposedly we do), then wine shouldn't be part of the event, not even in small amounts. Anything else sends a conflicting message.

Anonymous said...

What part of this event is not put on by WGMC or the radio station?

Anonymous said...

* don't you understand.

Anonymous said...

What an interesting not-for-profit, school district, classroom organization.

Where do I sign up?

Anonymous said...

Does district policy say its OK to "taste" as long as you don't swallow it? lol

Anonymous said...

In keeping with what one brilliant hockey mom said last year: "How do you even know it's going to be wine with alcohol, it could be sparkling grape juice!"

Anonymous said...

11:41- Did she get elected to schoolboard?

Anonymous said...

R U kidding me................this is being questioned-then why don't you all simply donate the 25$ per person for 200 people and give it to the radio station and remember that you did the next time you are listening to a live broadcast of the School Board meetings that you are not paying for.

Seems to me that someone out there would love to create the havoc once promoted by those old folkes at CARE CQE and on and on.

Don't we have enough bad press in our town without trying to create more !!!!!!!!!!!

SCATS said...

To 7:36AM ~~ The only people "creating bad press" are the people running this place.

The rest of us are doing our part by telling the people who run things whether they are running it well, or running it poorly ;)

In my mind, double-speak isn't a "good job" especially when children overhear it.

Anonymous said...

There aren't even children at this event....

SCATS said...

To 8:51AM ~~ The point is that it is a fundraiser for a school district related function. What other GCSD related functions permit consumption of alcoholic beverages? (Although I sometimes think a drink would actually help at certain BOE meetings!)

SCATS said...

By the way 7:36AM, I didn't know that CQE was a bunch of "old folkes" ... I thought it was a parent group ... ?

George Hubbard said...

1. As reported, the event is not being held on GCSD property.

Q#1: Are students involved at the event… either directly or indirectly?

Q#2: Are GCSD employees involved in the event (organizing, scheduling, etc) as a part of their assigned work responsibilities?

Q#3: Does the event require (or should it require) approval by GCSD?

SCATS said...

To Geo Hubbard ~~ Whenever I listen to WGMC for a BOE meeting, at the top of the hour I always hear the station identification announcement. Part of that message states: "WGMC 90.1FM, a public service of the Greece Central School District." They are intricately connected, despite alternative "funding options." The bigger question here is, do the district's policies apply to WGMC's operations or not? Since the radio station is housed within a school building, I would think they apply. But I'll be the first to admit that "common sense" isn't common any longer. If WGMC can do the wine tasting, can the Athena Show Choir have a champagne breakfast fundraiser as long as it's not on district property?

SCATS said...

By the way, GCSD Policy #6151 states: "The Board of Education affirms that all programs in the entire District shall be free of controlled substances and/or drugs regardless of the program's funding source." It later states: "In this context, alcohol is considered a drug."

I'm not seeing that district policies have been amended following the infamous hockey weekend blowout. The dates do not reflect any changes in the last year. What the heck has the BOE done to correct that mess?

Anonymous said...

By the way the "independent" group referred to might be the greece educational foundation which acts a slush fund for the radio station. In that case it wouldn't be independent at at all. We ought to look a lot more carfully at its funding.

Anonymous said...

Surely there are other things they can come up with other than wine tasting to raise money. Maybe they're afraid if they don't have alcohol, people wouldn't show up.

I think the rules regarding zero tolerance spell it out and people should set the example they expect their kids to follow instead of "Do as I say and not as I do".

Anonymous said...

Let them bake cookies!

Anonymous said...

SCATS. Read your post carefully. "By the way, GCSD Policy #6151 states: "The Board of Education affirms that all programs ***in the entire District*** shall be free of controlled substances and/or drugs regardless of the program's funding source." It later states: "In this context, alcohol is considered a drug."

Last time I checked, the Memorial Art Gallery was off school property. Believe it or not, everything that Greece does is not illegal. As stated by the WGMC volunteer, this event is held to benefit the station. That organization I know for a fact has it's own board of directors, and PAID Greece staff are not on that board. So, perhaps you should "reach" for something new...I find it funny that you are running out of things to complain about, so you now chase after a radio station. What's next...the parent volunteer groups? How about community education?

SCATS said...

To 4:37PM ~~ Were you sleeping off your last wine-tasting when the hockey coach got in trouble for drinking in an out-of-town hotel? He was spared his job because the BOE wanted to tighten the verbiage to include such locations ~~ at least that was what I understood based upon BOE dialogue after that incident. I'm looking for the updated policy that was promised, but it isn't posted in BoardDocs from what I can tell.

PS ~~ This is Greece. IF we get rid of current leadership, then I may run out of topics. Until then, I'm sitting on a goldmine! ;)

Anonymous said...

School board policy isn't worth the paper it's written on.
To borrow a pharse from an earlier posting - hypocracy.

SCATS said...

To 5:48PM ~~ Sadly, what you say is true. The only solution is to keep after them to be honest.

Anonymous said...

Again you are missing the point. This is NOT a Greece Central School District event (like the hockey team) and is SEPARATE from the district and radio station. There are NO ties whatsoever to GCSD and WGMC.

SCATS said...

To 8:08PM ~~ I don't understand how a funraiser to benefit the radio station could be separate from both that station and the district for which the station is a "public service." That makes no sense at all.

Anonymous said...

Yes and what tax exempt ID number are they using to buy the beer and wine and chocolate and napkins and cups and so on??? The school district's or the radio station's? Either way it is connected to the district. Unless it is a completely new organization that has been created to raise funds for the district. Still there is a connection. And unless the group is "not for profit" the donations cannot be written off for the sponsors or for the people who bought tickets.