Friday, August 28, 2009

Union Plans School Opening Antics

Anonymous said...
GTA is planning picketing before the superintendents opening day address.
8/27/2009 8:31 PM

SCATS ~~ I'm hoping it's to protest the fact Apollo MS can't seem to get off the NY State watch list ... I'm also hoping to win the NY State Lottery jackpot ... guess I better not hold my breath ... ;)

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

These whiners do this every year!

Anonymous said...

Any idea why Apollo is on the list?

SCATS said...

To 11:44AM ~~ Just like my BLOG on the topic stated: "Elementary-Middle Level English Language Arts"

Anonymous said...

I heard it had something to do with special education students English scores, not the overall?

Anonymous said...

The union needs to show these people who's in charge.
If the union wants a new contract then thats the way it better be.
If the union wants more money then thats the way it better be.
More taxes, so what, the union wants more money.
As one board member used to say it's all about ENTITLEMENT.

SCATS said...

To 12:59PM ~~ To be honest, I don't really know. When I looked at the info NYSED posted, it stated what I posted here. That's all. To be honest, I'm not sure it really matters. I'm tired of excuses. In Greece, it's always someone else's fault why things aren't working ... "It's the kids on free lunches." ... "It's the kids in Special Ed." ... "It's the kids from the city." ... "It's because of the parents." ...

Wouldn't it be nice to hear "The school and/or teacher really screwed up." ?? JUST ONCE??

It makes me wonder why we pay these people anything. They are NEVER EVER RESPONSIBLE for this district's problems despite the fact their salaries chew up 85+% of a $194 million budget!

OK I'm done ranting ... :(

Anonymous said...

Will "Joe" be leading this demonstration as pay back for the GTA endorcement?

Anonymous said...

Get a grip 5:46. Implying Joe paid for any endorsement is pure hogwash!

Anonymous said...

So our "Professional" teachers are going to picket before the opening of school??? What a freakin joke the union is. Get a grip GTA. NO ONE CARES anymore if you don't have a contract. There is NO community sympathy for you. Sign a new deal with give backs in salary and pay 40% of your health care benefits and then maybe, just maybe you will get some respect back from the community. Until then, whine all you want. We could care less.

Anonymous said...

Whether one agrees with the union or not I see no problem in picketing if the members believe there are unfair unjust or improper conditions. It is a legitimate and non-violent form of protest.

We do live in America a semi free country.

If we can tolerate some of the messy behavior in the health care debate we can tolerate a little picketing. It's as American as apple pie.

Anonymous said...

7:05- Since you brought up
"if the members believe there are unfair unjust or improper conditions" I think we should ask them to tell us exactly WHAT the issue is. Well GTA, here's your chance. What's the trouble that you need to picket?

Anonymous said...

I just wish you people would go into a regular classroom and see what these teachers have to deal with. They have to teach the same to all the kids, but there are so many different kids these days it's unbelievable. How can one teacher deal with all these different kids. There are kids that have no clue what school is about, kids that can already read and write because their parents care. Kids with disabilities, parents that don't even know when school starts and then they see the school bus go buy and say, "oh, I guess my kid should be in school". Spend a day in a kdg. class and see what its like. You have no idea. Then go to a high school and see what those teachers have to deal with. Teachers deserve all the money they get plus stress pay! P. S. I'm not a teacher.

SCATS said...

To 8PM ~~ I've been in several schools. I've seen. I hear what you are saying, too. But what I never hear, are teachers taking the issues that make their job nearly impossible to a BOE meeting and speaking out. Yes, I know they have a union Prez. whose job it is to do that, but he can't seem to get beyond the topic of their lack of a new contract. Based upon their silence as a group, the issues you brought up apparently aren't all that bad. Otherwise, they would be marching & protesting. I'm sure they would be speaking out about them to get them resolved "for the kids."

Anonymous said...

Off topic...

The vision statement is drafted.

http://web001.greece.k12.ny.us/files/filesystem/Draft%20Vision.pdf

After reading less than half, my vision was blurry and I couldn't remember what I had just read.

I suppose that it is a fitting product, given the state of the Greece Central School District.

How much did the U of R professor cost, anyway?

Anonymous said...

You don't like teachers. You don't like cops. You don't like administrators. You don't like politicians. Is there anything you like in Greece? Why do you even live here if you detest it so much? Do you hate kids? And what about babies? Ice cream? Bill Gray's?

Anonymous said...

GTA should settle. Terms? No pay raise this year and pay an additional 5% of health care premiums. That would be a step in the right direction. Go for it, GTA!

Anonymous said...

8:00-
I just wish you teachers would spend a year in "the real world" where we have gone without raises and pay for a greater portion of our own benefits, which still pale in comparison with yours.

It would open your eyes to how good you already have it. Happy "labor day". I'm working.

Anonymous said...

Why can't we all just get along?

Because some have no roots in the real world.

In the real world we are hurting. For public employees, it is sunny every day.

Anonymous said...

Re 8:00 post and Scats reply: I have heard compaints, and I have heard the answers. The BOE or school district can not change what is required by the state. Even suspensions and consequneces must be appropriate per state guidlines, and sometime must be documented in an IEP if the child is S.E. If the consequence is not part of the approved plan it can not happen, no matter the behavior.

Anonymous said...

When you see the GTA picketing and you're thinking about the graduation rate, remember that the single most important variable for increasing student achievement is the teacher. Maybe they should be thinking about teaching and learning instead of how much money they can grab.

SCATS said...

The day I see Greece teachers marching and picketing about poor academic results or poor leadership from district office or the lack of texts, equipment and classroom supplies is the day I'll know it really is "for the kids."

Anonymous said...

10:51 I am a parent and the "single" most important factor is the willingness to learn and value placed on education. You could have Yale profs. in this district and the do nothings and their parents will continue to blame someone. The state education dept has dumbed down the standards. The state tests are only used to dole out the money. They do NOT implement real goals to raise student achievement. Look at our state, run amuck with liberals making excuses for every underachieving group we have, and making accommodations for them. Why should we think schools run by the State Ed Dept would be any different? And do you honestly think that if we took the teachers from PB and moved them to LR that the learning would go up? PB is successful and is it because of teachers or the community as a whole? Coffee

Anonymous said...

Did you hear the news on the radio this morning? The Greece police picked up 3 people on Olivia Dr for stealing $1000 worth of property in cars there and 6 people on St Andrews Dr and some other street for the same type of crime. That is a first that the Greece police - apprehend thieves. Maybe they are more efficient without the corruption.

Anonymous said...

Here is the exact story

http://www.wham1180.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122742

Anonymous said...

I am a teacher in greece. I could care less about picketing and what the union does. As long as it doesn't effect what I do in the classroom.

Secondly, do you really think teachers don't care about what the kids are learning? I have taught in three different districts in my career and have found that 95% of teachers really care and do everything they can to help the kids.

Lastly, someone said that the single most important variable that effects a students learning is the teacher. As a parent and a teacher I have to disagree. As a parent I have a much greater effect on my child than my teacher does. If I don't, then I'm not doing a very good job as a parent.

This may be controversial but think about this for a minute. In general asian students do better and get better grades than other groups. Yet have you ever stopped to think that they are in the same schools and have the same teachers as everyone else? Yet they do better, why is that? Now that not to say teachers don't have a great effect on students. I personally stay after with my students until about 5:00 every night, trying to make connections and help them all I can. But no matter what amount of time I spend with them, it will not come close to the effect a parent can have.

Anonymous said...

And a teacher is the constant in the classroom, the variable is the family or lack of, student ability, desire and work ethic. Those are a few of the variables.

SCATS said...

To 11:18-11:19AM ~~ I heard it on 13WHAM last night. I just posted a BLOG about it. Thanks for the heads up :)

SCATS said...

To 11:27AM ~~ And just as controversial might be the fact that too many teachers arrive at school after leaving their own homes where things aren't all hunky dory either. I wonder how many Greece teachers live in a war zone with their spouse at home ... I wonder how many Greece teachers are single parents struggling like the parents of many Greece students ... I wonder how many Greece teachers have children of their own that aren't succeeding in the classroom ...

There's a lot of discussion about what attitudes and behaviors students bring to school from their home life. Let's look at the other side of the equation to bring the full picture into view ;)

Anonymous said...

I completely agree that teachers must bring in attitudes from home. But that is the case no matter where you go and what profession you are in.

My main point is that the main change we need to make is the attitude of our country as a whole toward education. There are many complaints that our country has fallen behind other countries in education. But go talk to the teachers, students and parents in those countries, their attitude is that education is the key and most important thing for young people. In our country many people simply take it for granted and think they are entitled to a good job and good living. What happened to hard work for everyone(teachers, students, parents). We all want to take the easy way out.

Anonymous said...

To 12:18 you are right on teh mark. Education is not the focus of parents and student. It is why we are behind other countries. It also stems from the decline of family values and intact families. As a nation we lead in single parent homes, babies born out of wedlock and welfare benefits,and so on. It is becuase we allow this to be socially acceptable and it flows into other areas of life, like education.

SCATS said...

To 12:18PM ~~ That attitude from home matters more when it's the teacher's attitude. They convey it to dozens of pupils in just one day! When teacher has too many bad days, it hurts everyone's performance for the year, I'm sure.

We've already told the students in a hundred different ways that education isn't a first priority, not even in the school they attend!

Don't believe me? Look at the whole issue of sports. They are sacrosanct. Never cut. Never suffer from budget reductions. No matter what, those teams always have balls to play their games, transportation all over the state, fields to perform on, etc. We hand out numerous awards and scholarships to sports participants like we hand out candy at Halloween! We've made them much more important than any academic undertaking from the students' perspective.

On the other end of the spectrum, we continue to waterdown and disregard academic achievement unless it is somehow connected to sports, music, or some other extra-curricular activity. There are very few awards or scholarships based purely upon academic prowess. The one that used to be the highest honor, valedictorian, has been changed because we can't honor "the best" to the detriment of someone who was oh so close in the competition ... unless it's on the football field or in a music competition. Then it's just fine. See my point?

The adults who run the system, from the classroom teachers to the BOE to the Supt, have made this message loud and clear!

Anonymous said...

12;34
Then what do "higher" salaries and benefits solve?

Anonymous said...

To 12:48 I don't believe that higher benefits and salaries make better teachers. I also do not feel that most salaries are too high. I do believe that they should pay a much larger percentage for the benefits they get.

Charlie Hubbard said...

I could go on and on about these contracts - worthless contracts but in the interest of space let me tell you a quick story.
I was asked to represent the board in negociations approx 3 years ago. There were 5 reps from the gta, one from nysta, our attorney and 3 reps from administration, and myself.
I spent over 70 hours of my time (i was the only one not getting paid) on behalf of the taxpayers. Do you know how much time was spent on 'quality'- NONE - believe me I tried. The point was and is more money will do what? Higher salaries will do what? Stop right there because THAT is the problem.

I never blaimed the union but I will tell you I never saw a truer definition of the word ENTITLEMENT.
Everything was based on what this district does or that district does or cpi, just on and on but at NO TIME was 'merit' or educational improvement on the table.

The bottom line is contracts have been nothing but 'give-aways' by school boards NOTHING BUT GIVE-AWAYS and the school board should be chastized for it. The taxpayers have been getting screwed for years. If improvements in educational outcomes are not part of ANY contractual agreement then NOT ONE DOLLAR MORE. I couldn't even get administration to deal with absenteeism. You want to get sick? - read that part of the gta contract.

No more excusses - the taxpayers have been screwed enough and this ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY has got to be dealt with.

Anonymous said...

Take a look at school improvement research and you will find studies that show that great teachers overcome variables from home life deficits. When teachers don't read books unless they are paid and they don't keep up with learning, they decrease the opportunity for high student achievement. GTA should feel fortunate that they have jobs but they are ungrateful and want more money. Show us the great teachers first!

Anonymous said...

Very well said 4:40! I remember when Greece teachers used to get awards for their dedication and performance. Oh those were the days .......

Anonymous said...

The standards can and should be set by administration and those running the buildings, not the school board, and not some parent group.
Cel phones were banned. Take a walk thru one of our high schools and see if that is being enforced.

To borrow a phrase from a board member. Say what you mean and mean what you say. That is what our kids need. Right now the kids are running the schools.

Anonymous said...

Dear Teachers:

Who was it said..."If you seek revenge, prepare two graves"?

Anonymous said...

Such babies. What they don't want you to know is that even tho they don't have a contract, they still get their "step" raises every year, and their benefits and other things continue. Wanna know why they are protesting? Cause they want MORE from the Greece taxpayers. I think when they protest they make asses out of themselves rather than prove a point. I think Steve A. is doing the right thing by standing firm.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the Greece Democrat candidates who work in the school district will attend and demand more money for themselves too.

Anonymous said...

7:49 : What is Steve A standing firm about? I haven't heard that he's doing anything. Please tell us.

SCATS said...

To 9:52AM ~~ That's a good question!

Anonymous said...

Steve A could bend and beg the school board for the teacher increases. Instead, he is keeping a lid on costs (hence why no contract in 3 years). I think in this regard, he is doing the right thing. Steve W would have passed this years ago with the insane increases associated with their demands.