Sunday, August 09, 2009

Regular BOE Meeting 08/11/2009 @ 6:30PM


It is anticipated that the BOE will go into an Exec. Session @ 5:30PM to discuss collective bargaining & the employment history of particular person(s). (Has Steve found a new job yet?)

Board Reports
Finance Committee
Transportation Committee
Audit Committee
Community Faith Committee

Supt's Reports
Consent Decree Update
Establish 2009 - 2010 Tax Levy
EXCEL Project Update H1N1 Plan Update
Vision Statement Update
Safety Committee Update
Family Support Center

Unfinished Business (They used to call this "Old Business")
Update on Work Force Diversity
Selection of Board Evaluation Tool

Financial Oversight
Finance - Treasurer's Report & Budget Status Report
Resource Report
Adult Literacy Contract Approval (What is this??)
GASA Contract Approval (Ka-ching!!)
Architectural Services for 2009 Reconstruction Projects Contract Approval

New Business
Board Committee Assignments
2009 - 2010 Study Session Topics
Board Discussion of reporting out on topics from Conferences

Policy
20+ Policies are up for First or Second Readings, many related to Special Education

Comments
Board Member Comments (Will Mr. Oberg be permitted to speak this time?)
Board President Comments
Superintendent Comments

33 comments:

Charlie Hubbard said...

GASA contract approval:

For those who are concerned as I have been about 'do nothing' 'giveaway' contracts please keep in mind that the Comptrollers audit from April 08 - page 30 - item 17 specifically states how the district should show the 'benefit to the district' BEFORE they are entered into.
This was NOT done prior to the teamsters contract (the only one approved since the audit) and I can assure you the district, the board, and Albany have been made aware of this.
I would also make your readers aware of the fact it is this contract where raises are based on evaluations. With near NO oversite by the board 2 years ago EVERY member of this union was 'meeting standard' and 2/3rds were 'exceeding standard' based on administration evaluations. Look at our test scores and ask yourself how this could be.

Make no mistake these contracts is where the 'rubber meets the road' and it is the handling of these contracts that will tell you wheather your school board is going to be in the 'worthless' catagory like soooo many other school boards.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com
775-6015

Charlie Hubbard said...

Let me also remind readers it is these contracts that 'drive' the budget upward $$$$.

Contracts are approved by the school board AKA it is the school board that is responsible for budget increases - PERIOD

Anonymous said...

Any news on the Achramovitch issue?
Is that just a rumor?

Can anyone confirm that he has been asked to leave?

Anonymous said...

Charlie:
Does the boe have a policy to ensure the Comptroller's edict is followed? If they do, can tell you tell us what policy number it is?

Are there any repercussions if the boe doesn't follow their own policies? They are pretty good at ignoring them when they want to!

Charlie Hubbard said...

To 4:05
There is no policy in this case. It may be more of a case of keeping your word.

The board voted to accept the findings in the audit.
I suppose you could ask the definition of 'accept' but believe me the board was well aware of what was in the audit (and said so in writting) and why the Comptroller was concerned about each item.
This will no doubt come up with the next audit. A follow-up audit will be forthcoming. So we were told. If after having been told and agreeing to correct an 'audit' item the board then does not follow thru - well????

I will say AGAIN the way prior boards handled these contracts
(the most important thing they do) was almost criminal.
Let me give you just one item as an example - the teamster contract recently approved - there is a 'cost sheet' that makes a comparison of cost from one year to the next (we never had them before HMO) and it doesn't even show the 'number' of employees. Please tell me how you make a comparison (cost) if you don't know how many employees each contract pertains to. The school board should be ashamed for allowing this and even more ashamed for accepting it.

Anonymous said...

1:54 He hasn't exactly been asked to leave per se. It's been suggested he go and find a new job before he discovers his contract doesn't get renewed. Comprendez?

Anonymous said...

5:53
Since Paula is getting the consolation prize of a possible seat with the judges of "dancing with the stars" or "So you think you can dance" maybe he could take her place next to Simon Cowell?

Anonymous said...

Charlie, While I appreciate the information that you provide, I have one question.

Is it possible that many teacher are meeting standards and teaching what they are required, but that the students just don't give a rats behind, or the parents for that matter? I am for evaluations, but what accounts for the "entitlements" that students and parents alike feel they should get? I am a parent active in my kids schools and I see they allowance some with "special" circumstances are given, from behavior to work to attendance. (And by special I do not mean the truely disabled children.) As a note in my own kids' school there are many kids that are not learning due to beahvior problems, and I am sure as this trend continues it will create gaps in learning and lower test scores in general. Thanks

SCATS said...

To 7:47PM ~~ I know you didn't ask my opinion but I feel compelled to remark. Are there a large number of students in your school that are "performing" by achieving Honor Roll status? If so, how do explain that they aren't meeting standards on state exams at the same percentages? Of course, I've brought this up several times before on here. If the students are doing well enough to make Honor Roll (something MANY people feel entitled to) then they SHOULD be able to meet state standards, too, correct?

SCATS said...

To 1:54PM ~~ There is some interest in replacing him.

Charlie Hubbard said...

To 7:47
I'm sorry but what you are speaking of does NOT happen.
The reason I know is I have heard not one word about any of this from the teachers representative - the 'teachers union'.
I have heard alot of bi#ching about this administrator or that administrator but NO problems like those of which you speak.
So sorry it can't be.

ps; I also never heard it from the gasa (principals) union.
So sorry you must be making it up.

Anonymous said...

I am 747 and I really don't knwo why I bother as a concerned parent. I am NOT making it up. There was not a week that went by that there was not in one way or another a classroom behavior problem. Class was stopped, reading cirlce cancelled due to problems. What is the expectation when a teacher has 40 min for a math lesson adn 10-15 minutes is used on redirecting students that can't manage themselves. It does happen Mr Hubbard. It has happened every year since my two kids started 1st grade. There are certain groups of kids that are given to much liberty becasue of their unfortuante circumstances. I have always been respectful of you Mr. Hubbard and tonight is the last of it. Your post was childish and evasive. You are in denial or really clueless if you think that the senerios I have given do not exist. Tell my child that it is made up after she endured a year of a classroom hooligan that want to "f her". Mind you she is in second grade. And tell my other student that she was imagining the the students that interupted, picked fights and had temper tantrums at the teacher, and that was 3rd grade. Not one of these students were special ed. So tell me how that does not negativly impact my child and what they learn? Thank goodness for them that I care and continue the learning at home. Oh yeah of course we are not at a school of choice because we all know that this never happen there!

You have shown that you do not care about the kids. Your hatred for the union and teachers has proven more important than real reform and progress for all in the GCSD.

And for the spelling police I am hopping upset so it is not my best!

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah and since it does not happen tell me why it is we have the need for reflection rooms and why one student had a mental hygiene arrest this year at our school, um yeah a first grader. And why a student in a regualr class was allowed his constant outburst and issue for an entire year, and in june they FINALLY decided he shoudl be placed at a hone for disturbed kids, if i am correct it was CRESTWOOD. A year, of we are working with the family. Really a year to say yup not a studnet we can have in Greece.

Anonymous said...

to 7:47

I think you missed the sarcasm.

SCATS said...

To 9:13PM ~~ I believe you misunderstood what Mr. Hubbard intended to convey. His response to you was oozing sarcasm, something that can be lost using written communication.

I believe Charlie's point to you was to say that since the unions do not make these disruptions an issue and discuss this stuff in the open, it's AS IF it doesn't happen. I'm sure Charlie knows you speak the truth, just as I do. I hope this clarifies his intentions.

Anonymous said...

And i belive 7;47 those same kids you are upset about are being "socialy promoted" thereby being rewarded for there behavior.

Anonymous said...

Teachers are following the process - read post 9:19. It takes months of paper work and trying different interventions before a student can be placed in a more appropriate setting. Charlie says (with sarcasm) that it isn't happening because the union isn't complaining. The teachers are not complaining because they are doing their job and following the process that has been put in place. They may not like it but they do their best - would you rather they complained?

Anonymous said...

My Apologies to Mr. Hubbard. I did not read it as sarcastic.

Anonymous said...

7;51
Your darn right they should be complaining.
If **teachers** can't bring about change we are in deeper trouble than i thought.
If administration don't listen to the people on the "production line" --- WOW

Anonymous said...

Damned if you do...damned if you don't. When teachers complain they are called whiners and slackers that collect big fat paychecks... just read the posts on this blog!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps teachers that complain are targeted as not tolerant, not compassionate and not embracign "diversity"? Also I sould suggest that by complaining they break the confidentiality rules that they are bound by. And for those that may not know " the procedures that they must follow to " eject" an emotional disturbed child are set forth by THE STATE ED dept.

And many unruly, ill-mannered, lack of parented children are being labeled E.D. because we as a school community need to work together to raise these children. We need to be compassionate that thier parents are absent and void of morals and value. We need to embrace peer modleing and leadership in hope that my child or yours will effect change on the tyrants of the classroom. And when your young student comes home with socially unacceptable language tell them it is not ok for them to speak like that becasue " we care about you" and you will get in trouble at shchool because you have parents that love and care about you, you will be held to a higher a higher standard than some of your peers.

Anonymous said...

Will the issue of Stevie II's contract be discussed at the meting Tuesday?

Anonymous said...

I read the 9;20 + 10;35 postings and i truly have to wonder WHO is running these school - the kids or the adults.
Don't make rules unless "everybody" is going to live by them and the adults are going to enforce them. And for those adults who don't care - get out. At the very least don't give them raises.
Frankly, it sounds like our schools are becoming *excuse* factories.

SCATS said...

To 9:20AM ~~ Re: "When teachers complain they are called whiners and slackers that collect big fat paychecks... just read the posts on this blog!"

Perhaps it's WHAT and HOW you choose to complain. If GTA's rep who gets face time with the BOE at their monthly meeting would complain about the discipline troubles teachers encounter in the classroom, I think you might be amazed at how much community support you would receive from parents (and possibly some students, too) who are tired of their kids' educations getting short-changed. Teachers who complain about not getting a new contract that gives them the raises and benefits they think they deserve probably do get labeled as "whiney" in comparison to those who come before the community and say they want to be better teachers but face disciplinary obstacles from the students.

SCATS said...

To 7:51AM ~~ Re: "It takes months of paper work and trying different interventions before a student can be placed in a more appropriate setting."

Why is it that labeling kids as Special Ed is "the" route to go in dealing with disciplinary issues? Every child who gets that label drives up the cost of his education! Of course, it also drives up the need to hire more teachers. Makes me wonder if it isn't for self-preservation ... ?

SCATS said...

To 10:55AM ~~ From my own personal observations, WHO is running the schools changes right around the time that most kids get booted out of their K-2 building (it's a lot like a divorce on the kid's end of things) and tossed into a 3-5 building with no familiar faces among the adults!

What I've witnessed as "OK behavior" in a 3-5 school would never happen in the K-2 building. At grade 3, the kids start to run things and it only gets worse as they grow up and get socially promoted to the next building.

SCATS said...

To 10:40AM ~~ Tune in and listen :)

Charlie Hubbard said...

Scats: I am sorry for taking up so much space but your readers need to know how important these contracts are to the success of our district.
Contracts have been and unfortunatly continue to be nothing but 'giveaways' and until they are fixed to include the promotion of improvement and accountability and eliminate the essence of ENTITLEMENT unfortunatly nothing will change except the cost.
The owners (taxpayers) know this. The school board(s) had better learn this - it's called reality.

These contracts have been a 'dismal' failure and have been the product of school board(s). It is this item and this item alone that will determine wheather 'this' school board has a posibility of being a sucess or just another dismal failure.

Anonymous said...

Scats, you're on spot regarding Special Ed used to handle discipline troubles. We get some hefty reimbursements from NY state for each kid designated as such. And guess what? For the most part, we don't spend that amount educating them! It just drives up taxes and the district's budget.

Anonymous said...

Will the finance committee be commenting on the GASA contract?

I hope so!!

Anonymous said...

I have been think alot about Charlie and his position on teh teacher contracts. I have always agreed with him becasue of the COST. I had a thought that if the issue was less "attacking" on teacher and who deserves what, why not just approach it from a cost perspective. WE CAN NOT afford to fund the benefits of out teachers.
The auto industry is bankrupt becasue of this.

Here is my anaolgy, My kids are good kids, are they deserving of dance and sports and sea breeze YES but can I afford it NO, not all of it. It is the same for teachers. There are some great teachers that may be deserving but it comes down to afforability and sustainabilty. The argument of cost does not have to be anti teachers but rather we don't have the MONEY.

Anonymous said...

One word used by Charlie that stuck with me - ENTITLEMENT

That one word speaks volumns when dealing with unions - no merit - just ENTITLEMENTS

Anonymous said...

I don't see any merit principles being applied to CEO's or most American executives. The animus against unions is misplaced. Management is a laughingstock.