Monday, August 10, 2009

Did D&C Boot Greece Blogger Over Her Political Views?

Anonymous said...
Rumour has it that the Town didn't like the D&C Blogger so she is no more at the D& C at least. The Town of Irondequoit did the same thing to their blogger. D &C are such xxxxxxx. 8/10/2009 4:13 PM

Anonymous said...
After reading this I saw that rj is no longer a blogger and that her blogs have been removed. There were a number of blogs in which local candidates were introduced. I cannot find these in the site. There were also some blogs critical of the town leaders Rj come on here if needed anonymously and indicate what happened to these blogs and what happened to you 8/10/2009 4:59 PM

SCATS ~~ Would this surprise any of you? I emailed RJ to ask what happened ... developing!

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

Check out this link:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/143914

Now look at the cached page of one of her blogs.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:KPg10Xds6QcJ:blogs.democratandchronicle.com/greece/2009/06/24/germany-poised-to-ban-all-violent-video-games/+Germany+poised+to+ban+all+violent+video+games&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

One of at least 10 examples. Could that have had ANYTHING to do with it?

Anonymous said...

original

copied blog

Anonymous said...

Are you suggesting that a blogger copied something almost verbatim without giving the source credit?

Anonymous said...

Why yes, I am.

Anonymous said...

I happened to enjoy her blogs and just yestarday she wrote an apology for not crediting the source. There is definitely more to this story SCATS. I hope you can get her to come on here and post. Because it sounds very very strange. One day there is an apology and the next day all her blogs are gone. The same exact thing happened to the person who used to blog for Irondequoit. Their town supervisor hated the blogs. So there is something strange here. Besides I have seen tons of copying and pasting on D & C blog sites. So she was singled out and I want t know why.

Anonymous said...

I'm not not sure. Blogs are not school essays, but discussion points. T Hey often take ideas from elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

I read her apology too which was over one specific post and was an apology for anyone who "misunderstood" her. But there were many more posts copied, one even from the New York Times. Could have been a good reason to remove her or maybe she didn't want to apologize for more. I will say this, I would take anything either side says with a grain of salt given the spin factor that can be applied.

Anonymous said...

You can take ideas from elsewhere but not the exact words and pretend they are yours.

SCATS said...

To 6:05PM ~~ I just checked and NOT all of her BLOGS are gone, just the last few month's worth.

To 6:05PM ~~ I agree that using ideas is common. It seems to me that many people may have the same idea/view about something. One needs to be careful about quoting though. I try my hardest to cite sources for that reason.

jcorourke said...

SCATS-The anonymous poster is the reason why. He or she works at town hall. It does indeed sound very very suspicious since I too read her letter of apology post just this morning.

SCATS said...

I missed whatever this "letter of apology" was about. Can anyone fill us in on the details?

RJ has responded to my email and conveyed that she resigned as a D&C Blogger following a conversation with "her boss" from the D&C.

Anonymous said...

@jcorourke

You talk like it is fact but you have no proof. Who is the anonymous blogger? How do you know it isn't one of her friends fed up with her and going behind her back? You make convenient assumptions to fit your theory and state them as fact.

Anonymous said...

SCATS:

RJ's statement is vague and could mean anything.

I tend to think there is something to the political angle, but would like get some notion of what the town may have said about her.

SCATS said...

In a more detailed email, RJ tells me she decided to resign due to continued attacks on her by one particular person. She says she doesn't need the added stress since she has other serious events to contend with in her personal life. In other words, she CHOSE to resign given the circumstances.

Anonymous said...

Plagiarism is a serious charge. The D&C was probably served. "RJ" should have known better. That's journalism 101 - shame on her.

Anonymous said...

Defining Plagiarism:

"Plagiarism is the deliberate or negligent, copying of words, ideas and/or thoughts in whole, or in part, of another and then passing them off as original thought."²

It is not hard to tell if something is plagiarized. Taking works that are not your own and then publishing the article online as though it were your own is copyright infringement. Even attorneys have been involved in copyright infringement offenses. The legal AND monetary consequences can be quite severe. Consequences involving monetary retribution and "there is also a provision in the law for criminal penalties and imprisonment if the infringement is serious enough."³ An additional note to be aware of is, once an offence is committed and published online or in print, it can come back to haunt a person forever.

http://pwebs.net/marketing/ethics/articles/copyright-violation-issues.htm

Send her to jail.

Anonymous said...

If by anonymous poster he means "coffeeready" or "radaronline" and a few others, oh well. I too read the blogs and not only were there numerous items of plagiarism, she and two other posters told anyone that did not share in their opinion to get lost. The only posts that were directed at RJ were specific to the "cut and paste" with out acknowledging the original source. The three felt that anyone that uses a moniker was not worthy of posting and by having a moniker, "you" are a troll or you are posting to antagonize. My thoughts are if you want to be a blogger and CHOOSE to blog about politics, expect that it may be contentious. If you blog in support of a person or party, and give reasons, be prepared to debate. If you state something as fact, I would suggest you be certain. Not to do so is asking for a rebuttal. Politics and religion are two hot buttons, don't open the door if you can't handle what you have invited in.

Anonymous said...

@JCOrourke, wow you and DiMarie ( the Democratic version of Palin) just don't get that everyone that has a different opinion than yourselves DOES NOT WORK AT TOWN HALL. Just like a few of you were certain that Wieland Rd was NOT in the 3rd district, when in fact it is. Also like that fact that you fellow poster complained that the town website was good for nothing and there was not way to find out what district you live in. Well yeah there is, right on the TOG website, enter your street and bingo bango you find your ward. When presented with facts that rebuke what "you" have posted, you let the old get lost fly. It was stuff like this that created the mess for RJ. She had good ideas, maybe flawed in how she posted them but good topics. Gotta go my COFFEE'sREADY! :)

SCATS said...

Wow, I turn off my PC for a couple of hours and find out my BLOG has been taken over by the alien faction from the D&C!

While you are welcome to BLOG here, let's be careful with throwing around other people's monikers from other BLOGs on this BLOG.

On the issue of copyrights, plagiarism and the like, why is it that no one takes the Greece Central School District to task for their habits?

SCATS said...

To 7:25PM ~~ Obviously, you have an ax to grind. Your multiple postings here show that for what it is. Please, take your beef back to the D&C and get it out of your system.

Anonymous said...

Most of the D&C bloggers are horrible. They can't write well, and they they don't know anything about journalism. Lots of posts wondering about the motives or behavior of a town politician or school principal. Don't wonder - call them! At least try to get something original. Instead they cut and paste from other news sources.

Of course, you get what you pay for. I know of a couple of freelance journalists who expressed an interest in the job before they found out it paid $0.

SCATS said...

To 8:46PM ~~ I often wonder about the behaviors and motivations of those folks too. I don't bother calling because: 1- The Supervisor won't talk to you directly anyways, so it's a complete waste of time and 2- if I do get to speak to the actual person, they usually have a laundry list of excuses, the same old tired ones they've grown to depend on for the last 10 years. No one in Greece schools or govt ever makes a mistake ;) And we've got the legal bills to prove it!

Anonymous said...

Irondequoit blog host was booted because he was changing his identity many times and carrying on conversations w/himself. Also, complaints against him for mocking the seniors and their efforts to get a center...he also had his own personal political agenda as he now sits on the board with his Pet..MaryEllen Heyman.

RJ resigned under her own volition. D/C didn't want her to leave because of a huge following (took a lot to bring Greece back) and they were afraid of a backlash from disappointed readers.

RJ has her own blog..without the restrictions that were formerly imposed, and without the personal attacks. Greece Blog is dead for sure now.

I received a phone call from Dan Maloney today & he totally supports RJ's efforts.

Anonymous said...

I think it says wonders that only RJ's recent posts have been removed from the blog. It is only recently that she started to criticize town hall. And by the way bloggers don't claim to be journalists. I for one enjoyed her blog and found it a heck of alot better than the one that writes the blog now. Since when does the D & C enforce journalistic quality because some anonymous poster feels like attacking a blogger? If you followed RJ's blog at all you would have seen she has quite a following which the D & C can now kiss good bye thanks to whomever.

Anonymous said...

Bloggers are NOT journalists. And there are plenty of cut and paste bloggers on the D & C site. Start with Chili and work your way through and then check out the Roc Moms where nothing is original. So why was RJ singled out? No one seems to be able to answer that question.

Anonymous said...

I was a reader of the blog and I was told via email that she is pursuing her own blog, that was end of last week, the first time her picture was removed. I belive that an earlier poster here can confirm that JC?

SCATS said...

To 10:47PM ~~ She told me awhile back that she had another couple of BLOGS. The fact that she is no longer with the D&C is unrelated to those.

SCATS said...

To 10:32PM ~~ I believe political pressures were involved, regardless of what RJ was told the complaint was about. To be honest, I was a bit surprised she didn't get into hot water over the political expression in her writings sooner than this.

Anonymous said...

The D&C really needs to get Petrena back so they can keep everyone towing the party line. (I'm only kidding!!!)

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I can't believe you are promoting that the town administration worked with the newspaper to fire rj conspiracy theory just so Dan Maloney can concoct another issue for his campaign.

You are clearly ignoring that her plagarizing stories is the real reason behind her leaving.

As this comes out more and more, since we all need to get to the bottom of this now, will you post retractions in order to re-establish your credibility once again?

Legitimate issues with the town are one thing, but out and out lies and false accusations are completely wrong and dishonorable.

Very, very disappointing.

Will you post this comment or censor it because it doesn't support your side?

Anonymous said...

to 8:46pm: Keep in mind D/C doesn't hire "journalists" to man the blogs..just regular community folk. They don't train anyone either...just have you submit 3 blogs for their review, call you in, take your pic and you're in. Their hardest part is trying to find anyone that even wants to do it as it takes up much of your time.

It's easy to sit on the other end and find fault because you want them to be perfect...but you can't please everyone all of the time. When a blog is temporarily "disabled", it could mean Jim Lawrence (who's in charge of the blog comments now) is investigating reports of "abuse" - or it could mean they didn't want an influx of comments talking about a Blog Host. Some hosts from other towns have veered off to do their own thing as well-Henrietta, Fairport. Kristine will have to step up to the plate if the Greece blog is to keep its readers-or maybe one of you will volunteer?
RJ's blog will get noticed in time. Do any of you even know how to access it?

SCATS said...

To 9:49AM ~~ Say hello to MJ for me, please! No one could be so ignorant of how the local politicians collude with the media unless they were living in Neverland ;)

Anonymous said...

It looks like RJs stalker has tried to set up shop here too. Please keep watch for this SCATS. Suggesting prison terms for supposed plagiarism in a town where the PD was running amok with Auberger's blessing is almost hysterically funny!

Anyone who can't see the interconnection between politics, especially in Greece, and the media hasn't been paying attention.

Anonymous said...

Can't anyone be honest about the Greeceblog...there were not a large number of followers. It was just yesterday that a poster commented that no-one posts on KC's blog. There were a few regulars on RJ's. They were friends, it was almost private in nature. It was not condusinve to others posting.

Also there were no blogs that were so controversial that Town Hall would have to be worried. I believe that Town Hall has bigger concenrs than that of a few D&C posters.

For the number of people that are fed up with Town Hall and lack of accountabity, why is that this blogger is getting a pass when clearly she contributed to what is now the end of her D&C blog?

Anonymous said...

to 9:49 as well: You are wrong about the plagiarizing being the reason for RJ's departure. With regards to that, having her write an apology to readers was sufficient for D&C--they did NOT want her to leave, but she didn't like the way things were handled. Even after her apology, there were comments left that still harassed her...unnecessarily. (Some people do not know how to let it go and enjoy beating a dead horse).
She's above that and didn't want to provide a forum where malcontents used her blog in offensive ways.
She absolutely did the right thing.

SCATS said...

To 11:13AM ~~ The number of people posting to a BLOG and the number of followers are two very separate and distinct things! Many people follow (i.e. read) without ever posting a comment. This is especially true on BLOGs where one must set-up an account, such as the D&C requires. The number of hits on the Greece BLOG had skyrocketed in recent months. I'm fairly confident that RJ's loss will be felt by the D&C ;)

SCATS said...

To 11:27AM ~~ Since plagiarism of ideas is a theme on this thread, can you guess where she often gets the ideas for her stories? :D

Anonymous said...

To SCATS: Where can we find the statistics for blog hits over at the D&C and things like that? I am just curious how all the towns and posts stack up.

SCATS said...

To 11:51AM ~~ Try asking Cynthia Benjamin at the D&C.

Anonymous said...

To 11:16 there was not ONE post to her. ot her log for that matter after her apology, other than a post in support of her.

The only post complaint item that reffreced the plagerism issue was from RJ herself in regrads to where she got info for her "Calling all Dog Lovers" blog.


Really I am not surprised that RJ was not happy with how the D and C handled the issue. If you were the chosen few you could post anything no matter fact or fiction and when it was pointed out that it was not true they would join hands and ignore what was in black and white.
So no I am not surprise that she is upset about be called out on the SOURCE of her blog content.

Scats You are correct that posters and followers are differant.

Anonymous said...

to 11:51:..The number of "hits" a blog gets is what the D&C goes by...but how ridiculous; all someone has to do is sit there and keep hitting their 'refresh' button a gazillion times. There's no accurate way to determine how many readers are out there favoring any particular blog OR host, for that matter. Maybe they can use the system American Idol uses ;).

Actually, it was in Feb when Fairport was #1 and Greece was #3 (I had heard). But like I said...you can't really tell because people know what to do if they want to show favoritism. Greece is going to be hurting now...big time.

Anonymous said...

The D&C is on its last legs. Even my elderly neighbors are stopping their papers disgusted by delivery issues and turned off by old news scattered among dozens of ads. The online edition is no better. I rarely look there any more. I'm sick of their pop-up ads that stall out my pc even with my pop-up blocker on. Do we really need to see another Netflix ad every time we click a page? Who cares about the age of the people who want to read the stories? I'm sick of that silly registration form. I ALWAYS give phoney information and I know other people who do that too. I find out most of what's happening in Greece from reading SCATs. SCATs, I REALLY appreciate all you do for Greece! Keep up the GREAT JOB!!!!!!

SCATS said...

To 1:38PM ~~ THANK YOU VERY MUCH! :D

Anonymous said...

Newspapers are in trouble.
You would think they would emphasize local coverage, which might increase circulation, but instead we get local fluff.

Anonymous said...

SCATS 11:06 - any proof? Or just conjecture on your part. Please, please post the proof since you must have it and are only holding onto it to keep us all in suspense. No one would make such an accusation without having the proof to back it up. Please share.

SCATS said...

To 5:08PM ~~ If I told you then I'd have to kill you ... but then you already knew that because you claim to know my motivations ;)

Anonymous said...

This is interesting. Does she mean cyber stalker or in person?

http://www.google.com/profiles/GreeceBlogger

SCATS said...

To 11:07AM ~~ I believe she meant cyber stalkers and named two of them (their D&C monikers) on that page.

Anonymous said...

This is all unclear still. Is she claiming she was let go because she wrote bad things about the town? Was she let go because of plagarism? Or did she resign of her own decision.

People here claim it was brought on by a cooperative town/newspaper decision. She says it's because someone kept attacking her. But another here provided plagarized posts of hers.

She comments here. Can you please run a thread with her posting here so we can sort the lies from the truth?

SCATS said...

To 2:22PM ~~ I strongly suggest that you contact her directly to ask your questions. I'm not going to position myself in the middle as a go between since I can't tell you any more than what I've already posted.

Anonymous said...

I'll tell you what, though: she's loving that "comment moderation" feature on her new blog...

DELETE
DELETE
DELETE

and it's bye-bye cyber-bullies.

SCATS said...

To 3:42PM ~~ That feature DOES come in handy every now and then :D

I can't tell if your comment is a complaint, an observation or possibly gloating ... upon checking her BLOG several times in the last 24 hrs., I didn't find "Comment Moderation" turned on. Are you sure you have the right BLOG?

Anonymous said...

Scats: I tried to post and it says will be posted after review. That was hours ago, and guess what no post. So I guess the filter is on. There is another greece blog, with all posts welcome.

Anonymous said...

Not a complaint...just relieved to see she has a way of screening the comments this time around (just like you do). I've seen many outrageous comments on the D&C pages before (and now) that lead me to believe no one monitors the content. Her cyber-stalker can't get to her now.

And yes...I know where her new blog is and I wish her well. I think it takes different people with different viewpoints and different writing skills to share what's going on in Greece...from the trivial to the monumental.

Anonymous said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
SCATS said...

BLOG Administration posted & then deleted the previous comment after giving it additional thought. It contained personal information about an individual's home life that I'm not comfortable with conveying to the anonymous masses. In a nutshell, it was telling 7:22PM that RJ has many committments aside from her BLOG. Be patient ;)

Anonymous said...

Ahhh...I totally understand ;)...and yes, she's a busy lady these days and that should suffice.

Anonymous said...

Ok I took your advise and was patient, and still no post from my entry earlier today, on RJ's blog. I have to laugh about shaking it up... it wil be hard to do that if only her "friends" are allowed to post. Look at who has posted, and about what. Clearly it is filtered. The serial poster is the stalker.

SCATS said...

To 9:59PM ~~ Clearly you are spoiled by my quick posting/moderating of comments! To think that waiting less than 24 hrs. for someone to get to their BLOG (a hobby? a labor of love? definitely a VOLUNTEER effort!) somehow equates to patience is amusing :)

Then again, maybe she's just got it in for you and now you're stuck with me ... God forbid!!! :)

Anonymous said...

it would stand to reason that if comments are approved and yours is not, it might not be getting approved at all. it's not like there are hudreds of comments queued up for approval. but that is the moderators right.

SCATS said...

To 10:34PM ~~ What numbers will win in Friday's Take Four Lottery drawing? I want to tap into your ESP while its all revved up ;)

rj said...

Of course I am moderating the comments. And I love having the ability to do this. I don't care who it annoys, particular Radar on Line. Keep the hits coming!!!!! Thanks for your support SCATS.

SCATS said...

To RJ ~~ You're welcome. Good luck to you ;)

Anonymous said...

Scats I was curious about the tool for find your ward. I entered 25 streets that are in the elmgrove road area. ALL but 3 came back with ward assignment. There may be many that come up split but I would not call the tool useless. And I am not a republican! sk

SCATS said...

To 1:12PM ~~ All I can tell you is I tried to come up with some THROUGH STREETS that aren't too long in VARIOUS parts of town. Few showed a definitive ward. If I took just side streets of one road, I might get results similar to yours, too.