Tuesday, July 28, 2009

NY Schools Spend Most In Nation

Of All States, New York’s Schools Spend Most Money Per Pupil
By Catherine Rampell

New York State’s public schools spent $15,981 a pupil in 2007. That’s more than any other state or state equivalent, according to data released today by the Census Bureau.

On average, each American state spent $9,666 a pupil in 2007, a 5.8 percent increase over 2006, the report said.

After New York, the areas that spent the most per pupil were New Jersey ($15,691) and the District of Columbia ($14,324). States spending the least per pupil were Utah ($5,683), Idaho ($6,625) and Tennessee ($7,113).

Economix

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

When does the bus leave for Utah?

Anonymous said...

It's a good match, considering the Town of Greece has the highest property taxes in New York State.

Join me in a cheer - "We're number one!"

Anonymous said...

Add to that what I just spent,$176, for school supplies for my 3rd and 4th grader. This is supplies only no back backs or stuff like that. Just items from the list that is sent home.

And I have yet to shop for my two others.

As a note to supplies I wonder how mant other paretns notice the waste of "needed supplies" my kids always come home with some items less than half used of really never used. Binders, plastic tabs, comp books with a handful of pages with a few pages used, 3 subject notebookes with a handful of pages used. And yes I reuse when we can but the specific color requests are just crazy. In this economy I should be able to buy the item that meets the true NEED at the best price or reuse no matter the color...but that would be asking to much.

Anonymous said...

Are they still requiring items in certain colors? Ridiculous. Why can't the students have one binder and place the papers from each class in that with separators with labels. And have one folder to put homework in and papers before they are filed. And for taking notes a 3 subject spiral. Any color. 5 folders, 5 binders and 5 notebooks with color coding is too much for the kids. Unless the kid is OCD like the administration.
And elementary students should only have to bring in paper and crayons and pencils. OK maybe a ruler too. The school should provide anything else.

Anonymous said...

To 9:49 Not only certain colors. This year binders are NOT 1 inch (I have a few of those from last year) they want 1 1/2 inch. I decided that th one inch will have to do :)!

SCATS said...

The saddest part about all of this expense, waste and stress is that the kids often receive their first "grade" for bringing in what was asked for on the list. So if you can't locate an orange folder, better cover one in orange contact paper ;)

Anonymous said...

Scats, sometimes I think the "grade" is a motivator for the kids to keep on the parents to get them what they need. ( And I refer to the parents that do little or nothing for their kids I meant there are always kids that don;t even have the basics)

SCATS said...

To 11:17AM ~~ Although I suspect you are correct about the intent, I think it is just wrong to tie what the parent does or doesn't do to the kid's performance at school. It kind of helps show that the kids who make "high honor roll" may only have orange folders over the ones that make regular honor roll. What about the family that can't afford higher priced, designer color folders and buy the ones on clearance instead? We're supposed to grade the students on what THEY LEARN IN THE CURRICULUM, not how far they can get dad's wallet opened, right?

Anonymous said...

Scats I think that bringing in the right supplies has little bearing on high honors :). Most schools have a supply cabinet for those that are in "need", and most of the time the school and teachers know these kids. It may be more difficult in the middle school and high school to asses who is needing financial support.


There are parents like myself that at time can not afford the specific item requested, or just choose not to spend. So I do drop a note to the teacher. Just like my choice to re-use the binders I have and not have the added expense of the 1.5 inch. In the past I have purchased what is on sale not by the colors or brand requested. My child has never been penalized.

As for the grades I think kids that have high grades often have a direct relationship to what the parents do and don't do, and I don't mean money spent but rather time.

SCATS said...

To 11:53AM ~~ Your experiences and mine are definitely different regarding school supplies and penalties. I'm sure different teachers and different buildings are at least part of the reason.

Regarding grades: In many instances, they are extremely subjectively given. Grades usually show what you did, not what you learned. Example: Did you bring supplies? Did you DO homework? Did you participate in class? Did you attend class? Did you turn in a project/paper? If you want to tongue-tie a teacher, ask them what specific things your kid must do to raise a grade from a B to an A next time. They usually can't answer that.

Anonymous said...

11:53
It still begs the question "why the particular colors?" Why can't the students just label the items for a particular class or have one big binder etc?
And sometimes families have enough money for food clothing shelter but are feeling the pain when it costs over $100 to buy school supplies that are only for the first quarter.
If the teachers used more hands on learning techniques at the school during class there would not be the need for the students to have to be office managers for their lockers.

Anonymous said...

By the way Scats, in addition to the cost of the school supplies, there's a plethora of fundraisers which are not reflected in that "per pupil spending" figure.

Anonymous said...

Also the cost of student trips which are paid for by parents or more over-priced fundraiser items. Like candy 10 times the price of store candy and wrapping paper that is nothing more than a donation. We can all go to Big Bots to get wrapping paper or pay 20 times that price for the honor of buying it from someone raising funds for their band trip. And don't even think about how much cookies cost at the store or we can buy from our boss' kid (extortion) for 10 times the price to support the Girl Scouts. And let us not forget the cardboard pizzas that we can buy for 10 dollars compared to the delicious one we can get from any pizzeria. And of course the stores and pizza places have to collect sales tax and pay that to the state as well as pay the income tax on any profits. These fund raisers don't have to bother about that. But don't get me started.

Anonymous said...

Scats I see your point about the grade being based on doing, not on learning and retention of skills taught. I have posted before about the grades and how they are calculated. It really jusy stinks as a kid can be getting c's or worse and yet pull of a B based on homework completion, attendence and take home quizes. Oh well I am sure we willchat about that again when the school year kicks off.

As for the supplies, I don't want to sound "rude" but another thjing that bothers me is the items that are sent in and then pooled with students. I wuld always provide a "donation" but to be told that my child needs XYZ and then for it to be spread out the class does bother me when it is not explained up front.

Anonymous said...

It could be interesting to see what happens if parents boycotted fundraising and support for the other extras for a few months ......hmm.....would school shutdown???

Anonymous said...

If I'm not mis-taken the fund raisers are PTA sponsered.( excluding clubs and booster) If there were non it ould just mean no PTA sponsered events, it would be just fine, we would survive.

Anonymous said...

lol @3:08! Do you have any idea how many different clubs and sports raise money in Greece?? And then there's scout groups. And raising money so the schools can get publicity for giving food to the foodshelf and other charities. And holiday drives. Its a nonstop list!! I prefer to give to charities on my own and then I get to take the tax deduction too!

Anonymous said...

3:31 I do KNOW first hand how may there are I was only commenting on the previous post regarding "boycotting fundraisers and would the schools shut down".

and I did not word it correctly I meant to say not to mention the sports, clubs and boosters.

Anonymous said...

But the PTA fundraisers (against their own charters and directives) donate money to the schools for activities and supplies and equipment that should be paid for by the school budget. In fact the schools plan on the money from the PTA as they plan their activities and field trips and library purchases for the next year. So dysfunctional. It will go on until the supply dries up.

Anonymous said...

All this money spent, yet our graduation rates don't improve. Anyone care to answer as to why this is?

Anonymous said...

4:23 So the suggested boycott would be interesting!!

Anonymous said...

6:21
It would be worth a try. There is no law that we can't say no. Just the persuasion of charming little ones selling that which you would not buy at one tenth the price in a store.
But be careful. Both sides of the political fence be they conservative or liberal, religious or secular , democrat or republican would act offended if we ever pushed for such a boycott. But individually and privately let's do it.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like Greece parents haven't been appreciated by GCSD. Instead they always get blamed when something goes wrong. Scats, would you consider promoting a total parent boycott of fundraising? Its time to show them who holds some big pursestrings.

SCATS said...

To 8:54PM ~~ I'm not quite sure I want to get involved in that even though it could be interesting to see how the district reacted. I suspect the goody-two-shoes in the PTA and booster groups would just ratchet up their efforts and attempt to make anyone who didn't join them feel like they abandoned their children in a time of dire need. I strongly urge people to NOT cave into going along with most of the district's fundraisers simply because the monies to fund most of the items SHOULD BE PART OF THE OVERALL BUDGET PACKAGE. If it isn't, then maybe we don't need it.

Anonymous said...

The PTA's should sponsor a night for parents to sit down with teachers and administrators and agree on a common sense solution to spending all this time and money on school supplies. And the PTA's and teachers could agree to find the best deals for buying these supplies. Maybe even sponsor a buyng co-op.

Anonymous said...

The parents are being "used" and they are too stupid to know.
The total $$ amount is? The percentage of the total budget is?

There was a posting on another item saying the taxpayers are paying over $100,000 for teachers to do "union" work and we have parents on here complaining about the cost of crayons?

SCATS said...

To 7:15AM ~~ Yes, the parents are being "used"! They are "used" every time they complain to the BOE about a reduction in something, too. It's amazing what people in this town will turn out by the dozens or even hundreds to complain about, but even more amazing what they WON'T complain about. It makes Greece the Dysfunction Junction.

Case in point ~~ Barely a handful of our 96,000 residents have complained to the Town Board about the GPD investigation, the outrageous daily cost in salaries, the decisions that put us into this situation, etc.

Same is true with Greece Central and the $100,000 for union work on the clock to the district, the audit report, the shoddy construction mess, etc.

NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM, just like the family that enables a drunk or drug abuser. So it goes on ... and on ... and on ...