Monday, July 20, 2009

Diversity Issues Keep Popping Up In Greece Schools


Lawsuits, discipline issues, lack of diversity in workforce continue to plague GCSD

Parent Pauline McCleary calls GCSD "the most difficult school district I’ve been in.”

Parents, students & employees feel GCSD needs to do more for minorities, including hiring more diverse workers into administrative and classroom settings.

Less than 2% of 3000 employees in workforce is African-American, but 11% of students are African-American

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41 comments:

Anonymous said...

Will the school district ever get serious about this? Maybe it will take a major incident with bad press. SOP in Greece Central.

Anonymous said...

This is such crap. I'm jewish and there are few jewish teachers in the GCSD. Why is that?

Anonymous said...

There's almost no Jewish students.

Anonymous said...

What figure or % will it take to make everyone happy? In other words define 'diversity'
How do we know when we've reached it?
If we 'got' there Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would be out of work.
Have we given any thought to having the 2 biggest raciest in the country out of work? What other work would they be qualified for?

SCATS said...

To 11:17AM ~~ Actually, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson & the NAACP are in need of redefining their goals since the election of Obama as President. That fact has become a bit problemmatic for them.

Anonymous said...

Frankly until we get rid of these labels like 'african-american' I see us going nowhere. Toss in quotas and affirmative action which is nothing but racisum and I see the shoe on the other foot.
Lets also not forget people like Sharpton and Jackson are all about 'threating' people for $$$$ and I think people have had enough.

SCATS said...

To 12:28PM ~~ Don't you think the employment numbers for GCSD show that we've made little to no effort to build and retain a diverse workforce? While I would like to get rid of the labels too, I think we're going to be and stay stuck with them until we make that effort. I'd like to see more male teachers in Greece, too.

Anonymous said...

Greece has been sweeping this problem under the carpet for nearly two decades now. Things never get better. How can they when the number of diverse students continues to increase? Not to mention but schools of choice just add to the issues. District office knows this but is unable to do anything because the boe wants it this way. Its time to get some diversity onto the schoolboard!

Anonymous said...

Are there really so many black applicants that are not getting hired? I mean with all the student teacher my kids have had only one has been black. If the pool of successful canidates is more white than black what do you suggest, hire on the basis of color only and state as much at the job fairs?

This mom is way off base I know on my our school that many of the " minority" kids have IEP's and much of the adverse behavior is tolerated because of their " special cirumstances" often it takes many chances to reach suspension.

SCATS said...

To 3:33PM ~~ Do you really believe we get almost no men applying to teach in Greece too? What about teachers over age 35? None? Hispanic? Asian? Jewish? Muslim? ONLY young white women apply?

I believe there are reasons why the fresh-out-of-college white women are hired. One of the main ones is that they are easily molded into puppets for the teacher's union. You know, someone to carry on as requested without questioning ... perhaps out of fear of losing their job or intimidation from their peers. Why do I think this way? I've often asked young teachers why they do things a certain way, or why they follow along with things they say they don't support. They say that they feel they must.

It's MY opinion. I'm entitled to it. If you decide to respond, use your persuasive writing abilities and follow the rules ;)

Anonymous said...

It should NOT matter what color or how old they are. What should matter is their educational background and are they qualified to teach my child? It seems that minorities will continuously make excuses as to why their child is not excelling in school. It's because their teacher is not the same color as them? That is pure nonsense. And quite frankly SCATS I am surpsied you would even engage in this type of nonsense.

Anonymous said...

1;03 says the district has been sweeping this problem under the rug for nearly 2 decades now.
What problem? I haven't heard what the problem is. I see people trying to make up a problem as we go along including Scats.

You people are digging yourselves a hole here.
Do you NOT want the most qualified people?
WHAT is it you want?

Anonymous said...

When my kid was in school I did not give a rat's rear end what color, gender, religion, sexual orientation her teachers were. I expected the BEST teachers! Your kid only goes through school once and ONE inept, incompetent teacher can RUIN a kid. This diversity stuff is a bunch of crap. Sorry for the harsh language but school districts should hire based on the persons TEACHING QUAILIFICATIONS PERIOD!

Would you want to be seen by the best doctor in Cardiology or one that got the job because the practice had to "diversify"????

Give me a break

SCATS said...

To 5:32PM ~~ Make up a problem? Oh puh-leeze! Look at the statistics on the lack of diversity in GCSD's workforce. If you haven't heard that there are racial tensions among students in Greece, then you haven't paid attention! Maybe your kids go to Pinebrook or Odyssey where the lottery helps weed out troubled kids, kids of color and kids with special needs so your kid doesn't have to rub elbows with someone who looks/acts/sounds different.

How do you know we hired "the most qualified?" If 22, female, blonde with cutesy looks and big hooters correlates to being the perfect teacher, then I guess Greece has "discovered" the magic formula for graduating our students after just 13 yrs. Since that's not happening, perhaps we need to rethink why.

Does anyone else recall when Olympia HS was visited by the infamous Rev. Norvell Goff who "ripped a new one" for then Supt. Raymond Page? That was in the early 1990's I believe. The problems at that point in time were starting to boil over.

SCATS said...

To 6:08PM ~~ And you think Greece doesn't have ANY inept teachers???

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

Anonymous said...

There we go trying to 'redefine' the problem.
Racial tentions are because of 'diversity'?
I could give a d## what rev. Goff says or wants.
Some people will never be happy on this item which is why you need to define what the goal is. And stop moving the goal posts.

Anonymous said...

Scats I am 3:33pm and my reply is that I agree with you. There is not diversity in the staff, I for one just dis-like when the only group that is uniquely singled out when the word diverse is used is that of black students and staff/applicants. I know first hand that it is not always the qualifications that get you hired in Greece but rather who you know or who in your family is already employed by the district.

As a note I always follow the rules :)

Anonymous said...

SCREW quota diversity!

Bill Cosby said it, and now even Obama is saying it, EDUCATE the kids. Schools are for education, not meeting goals or quotas.

Diversity is another smoke screne used to hide failure to acheive!

SCATS said...

To 7:47PM ~~ Yes, nepotism IS alive and well in Greece, both the school district and town hall. It's amazing the number of family members that get jobs in either place! Almost as amazing as the lottery results for schools-of-choice ;)

Anonymous said...

rally "big hooters"?..not one of my child's teachers has met that requirement, guess that means that perhaps they were hired based on their qualifications and not their skin color or size. I love how inept teaching has suddenly turned in to a racial issue. When your child isn't doing as well as you would like it is easier to blame it on race . You can't make black men adn women apply, and if they do does that mean we should automatically hire them because we don't have enough of them? It should not come down to that, if they aren't qualified or there is someone else more qualified you should not have to settle just to make people happy or make the numbers look better. Being a minority has somehow turned into an entilement to a job, nice lesson, if you are a minority and make enough noise you will get hired, even if you lack the qualifications.

Anonymous said...

11% is a significant number. Another indication of changes in Greece that our leaders are ignoring.

Hiring polices need some attention,

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I'm sure you've already noticed this but I'll put it out there anyway. I see that you are correctly and continuously mentioning the ridiculous "lottery" school demographics (issue), in addition to the staff diversity issue. I find it very telling that although some people on here are claiming the staffing issue is a bunch of BS, not one has chosen to defend the "lottery" statistics. It's my feeling that this "lottery" system will end up being the one that bites GCSD (and it's taxpayers) in the a##. The district can claim it's hiring the most qualified candidates, but the numbers in these "lottery" schools are black and white (no pun intended) and are impossible to defend.

SCATS said...

To 8:49PM ~~ That's a very astute observation. Another one is that Greece lacks minorities in its employee groups because it's fairly well known that getting hired here is tough to do unless you know the right people and have the right "look." It's amazing that I could come from a place where my schools as a kid had a much more diverse workforce despite a tiny town atmosphere where the residents really were pretty much alike. But then, that district is on the Top 100 schools list and has been for many years.

If you want your kids to succeed in the real world, exposing them to people of different backgrounds should be a high priority. God forbid should we provide appropriate role models to the other 89%.

Anonymous said...

About hiring the most qualified teachers - My adult son called me tonight. During the course of the conversation, I learned that his best friend who lives in NC was offered a job by a school district down there. This fellow is about 24 yrs. old and has all his credentials to teach. He's just been awaiting a new job (he was downsized out of a previous position). It all sounds good right? WRONG! The position he was just offered is to coach football. Unfortunately, this fellow was born with a defective heart (only 3 chambers) and despite numerous surgeries, can't exert himself in any way. That didn't deter him from getting a job offer by a school district to do something he isn't qualified to do though. I know it isn't Greece, but I'm sure it could be. (They can't ask about your health on the application, so I suggested this kid take the job and get a megaphone so he won't have to yell).

Anonymous said...

I think the answer is to improve the birth control rate for some segments of our population.

Anonymous said...

As long as quotas are the name of the game we have time before football starts to let all involved know that 89% of each team MUST be white so we can meet our quota on diversity.
Forget ability just make sure the right percentage is the right color.
At least we'll FEEL better.

Anonymous said...

To add to the conversation, why is only in America that black are African American? In Europe you are simply black, indian, asian white? There are many Americans that have relatives with in two generations from other countries but do not "need" to be idendified as "...-American". If you are born here you are American period. The need for qualification of a few such ethnic groups only continues to widen the divide.

Graehaven said...

Being on the top Schools 100 list has NOTHING to do with diversity of its faculty.

Teachers should be hired on their qualifications, not their skin color.

There aren't more minority teachers in schools across the USA because there aren't many of the GRADUATING COLLEGE WITH TEACHING DEGREES. It's not rocket science. This is obvious after about five minutes of googling demographic reports/data from the last 10-15 years.

This is a symptom, not the problem. Racial tensions between students? Well, duh, when society continues the fallacy of racial diversity, so will the tension and animosity continue. We're all one race folks, just different colors / gradients of the same pigmentation. Also, not rocket science. But the Diversity BS crowd won't hear of it. Why not? As always, follow the money.

Teachers easily molded into union standards? Another symptom. The union should be abolished. It no longer serves anything but itself as a big money-sucking leech on the community.

It takes more than $16,000 (average) per student per year to educate a kid in Greece? Utterly ridiculous. Private schools educate for a third of that per year, and the quality is better.

It's all about corruption, at every level of local, state, and federal government. When with the host (taxpayers) wake up? I fear it's too late.

Anonymous said...

The comment from the reader regarding the race of the Cardiologist was right on the money. Would you care what race your doctor was of you had just had a massive heart attack?

Of course you wouldn't. You would want the most qualified. And anyone who says anything different is lying and full of nonsense.

GCSD needs only qualified teachers. It does not matter if they are black, brown, yellow or purple.

SCATS said...

To 9:31AM ~~ Yes, we need the best, most qualified teachers. Based upon our demographics within the employee groups, we are mostly white, mostly female and mostly younger for new hires. We're also just about at rock bottom in the county (18 or 19 towns) on test scores, graduation rates and other results. I suggest that PERHAPS there is a correlation ;)

Anonymous said...

The corrolation is garbage Scats.

Diversity is garbage - still waiting for definition and or quota amount that will make everyone happy.

Giving people raises for doing a lousy job - thats where the problem is.

Anonymous said...

Calling something garbage doesn't make it so. How about backing up what you say?

Anonymous said...

"Diversity is garbage - still waiting for definition and or quota amount that will make everyone happy."

Well friend, we can start by saying that our "lottery" schools are an average of 92% white students. Care to guess what the percentage of white students within the WHOLE district is? Do the math yourself:

% of white students within GCSD buildings:

Apollo 78%
Arcadia 86%
Autumn Lane 80%
Brookside 73%
Buckman 80%
Craig Hill 80%
English Village 83%
Holmes Road 76%
Kirk Road 85%
Lakeshore 81%
Long Ridge 78%
Odyssey 93%
Olympia 79%
Paddy Hill 86%
Parkland 62%
Pinebrook 92%
West Ridge 89%


The district itself is diverse, our "lottery" schools on the other hand are quite a different story. Nope, no problems here in Greece! And before you attempt to justify these vast differences, be sure to mention when and where we can see the "fair lottery" take place. I look forward to your reply!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the missing "Minority " parents should fill out the application . If they don't fill one out they can't be included. Parental responsibility comes in to play sometimes. not everything can be put on the schools shoulders.

SCATS said...

I think the solution to the lottery problem is to have a publicly held lottery OR instead of having to opt in, GCSD needs to make it an opt out option for everyone. Then we can see if the numbers come into line ;)

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry 4:25, I didn't realize that they aren't applying. Where did you get that information, so I can confirm it? Let me go out a limb here and guess that you have made these "facts" up, right? Let's say your correct, (UNPROVEN AT THIS POINT), what difference would it make since the "lottery" is held behind closed doors? The next time you come across a GCSD teacher who has kids in Greece schools, ask where they attend. Run that same question by our BOE members with kids in school, tell me what you hear, OK? Again, until your going to tell us when and where the "lottery" is held, please don't chalk the system up as being fair. Doing so makes you seem either gullable or dishonest. Where'd you get those "facts" again?

Charlie Hubbard said...

Before we get all up tight about the lottery (which i have NO idea about) (how it's done) lets get down to the #1 question.
What is the 'purpose' of school of choice?
What is the benefit to the district? The WHOLE district.
The owners of the district (taxpayers) benefit how?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Hubbard, according to the data provided, the answer to your first question is quite simple: The system seperates us from them, at a co$t we are never made aware of. I also noticed that you (a former BOE member) are also unaware as to how the lottery is conducted. In my opinion, that is very telling.

Anonymous said...

To Scats--RE your 4:03 post--these young teachers are not hired by the union, they are hired by administration--and yes, to be puppets and to do exactly what they are asked. To teach using ridiculous programs without questioning. They are NOT hired by the union. The union does not tell us how to teach, administration does. You can blame the union for many things, but not for hiring young people who will do as they are told without thinking.

SCATS said...

To 9:27AM ~~ I get your point about who actually does the hiring and I agree. But let's say that they are easily molded into puppets by BOTH groups ;)

Anonymous said...

By the way, I just wanted to point out that 7/21 4:25 mysteriously failed to answer the question(s) put to them. I love filks like that who can create "facts", then disappear!