Friday, June 19, 2009

BOE Plans Special Meeting Tues. @6:30PM


It is anticipated that the BOE will go into Exec. Session at 5:30PM to discuss the employment history of particular person(s) & pending litigation (While you're in there, try to review the Supt's performance for the past year, something you overlooked doing last June!)

Agenda Items of Interest

Athletic Policy/Extra-curricular Policy (Will this make it against policy to drink & coach yet?)
ELA & Math Improvement Plan Updates
Approval of Literacy Contract


Financial Oversight
Family Support Center Contract
Approval of Engagement of Attorney
(Sounds like you are trying to make some sort of backroom deal/decision look legal. Are you?)
Approval of the Audit Committee Charter

Policy
Appointment of the District Board of Registration


SCATS ~~ Since you have no "Old Business" listed, let me remind you that a citizen still awaits your response regarding the written legal opinion on whether "release time" in the contracts falls under the Taylor Laws and Triborough. How about answering the question? It's been over 6 weeks!

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

SCATS - do you mean that the GTA 1.0 release time in the contract should not be given if the contract is expired? This is very interesting. I would like to know the answer as well.

SCATS said...

To 5:37AM ~~ What I mean is this: Has GCSD obtained a current written legal opinion (since changing lawyers) as to whether or not the release time in the contracts is covered by the Taylor Laws or Triborough Amendment. Depending upon the answer to that question, release time might be excluded, as I understand the issue. This topic came to me via email so I haven't had much discussion of the details ;) It still seems like a great question to get answered though.

PS ~~ Is it just me or is our BOE changing lawyers as often as they change underwear?

Anonymous said...

All contract provisions remain in full force until the settlement of a new agreement under Triborough.

SCATS said...

To 8:39AM ~~ Your statement is what many have "parroted" in the past. This specific question related to release time came up for a reason. Getting the question answered by the professionals (lawyers) should be a priority to be sure GCSD is on the right track.

Anonymous said...

A lawyer will tell you the same thing and if you take it away from them you are committing what is known as an Improper Practice. You will go before a PERB ALJ(Administrative Law Judge) who will tell you that you are in the wrong and must continue with the contract. There are PERB cases galore that state the same.

Anonymous said...

what is this family services contract who is getting that and what is involved

Anonymous said...

I don't change lawyers!
-S

Anonymous said...

eeeeewwwwww!
-C

Anonymous said...

Huh? I don't get it.
-A

SCATS said...

To 10:11AM ~~ I'm not completely sure about the details of this but I believe GCSD is hoping to begin replacing some of the family & youth counseling services the Town of Greece downsized us by (thanks Jack!) when the Youth Bureau was eliminated.

Has anyone ever made up a list of all the various services Greece residents have lost via the Town over say the last dozen years or so? It seems pretty lengthy which kind of begs the question of: "Exactly what do I get in return for paying my taxes to Greece?" I mean other than scandals, of course ;)

Charlie Hubbard said...

It was I who asked about the 'release time'.
After negotiations with gta broke down a couple years back one of the items unclerified and still unanswered was 'release time' and how this was covered by the Tribough amendment as it did not fit the intent of the amendment.

It was the intent at that time that a written legal opinion from our law firm would be forthcoming. As with any 'legal' opinion you want it in 'writting' otherwise don't bother.
In hindsight I should have pushed for it sooner and did not. When the board changed law firms last July (back to where we were)I 'assumed' things carried on but obviously that did not happen.

I sent an email the the super on May 8th and copied the board pres. and vp - no response. I ran into the super on May 19th and was told they were working on it. I waited until June 18th - sent another email to include the pres. and vp - again no response.

When me or any community member (taxpayer) fails to get a response concerns me and should concern us all reguardless of how uncomfortable the item may be.

In this case it is one of those 'items' that taxpayers have every right to and should question. Simply put taxpayers at GCSD are paying out over $100,000 per year for people to do 'union' business - not teach - but to do 'union' business.
As reps of the taxpayers I believe the school board should be asking - WHY? BEFORE we enter another contract.
Please keep in mind the Comptrollers report from 2/08 item 17 speaks to how the board must show the 'benefit' to the district of a new contract. That DID NOT happen with the last contract - again WHY?

As always feel free to contact me for clerification of any of my postings.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com
775-6015

Anonymous said...

I though I am he was in charge of this youth and recreation stuff.
You raise an excellent point about the downsixing and loss of services
What exactly happened here.

SCATS said...

To 1:07PM ~~ When Greece moved it's Human Services from Maiden Ln. to the new Town Hall complex and lost Frank Ardino (retired), we gave up a lot of things we were never told about ... again. Among them were the counseling & intervention services, truant officers and other such things that not only make our town more liveable, but make our schools more orderly. They seem to simply hatchet this stuff out of a budget. Since no one watches the fox in the hen house by going to meetings and raising a stink (IF it's even mentioned at a meeting and that's a very big "IF"), our services evaporate without debate. It sometimes appears in press release that Greece still gets certain grants for things they no longer do. Not surprising at all, is it?

Anonymous said...

Charlie your union animus is well noted however no matter what the law firm is they will tell you the same, if it is in the contract it continues whether you like it or not, this goes the same for the union side. Also with your vast labor relations understanding please explain how and why the tribourough amendment came into existence. I believe it has something to do with transit strikes that crippled downstate but i am sure your answer will be much more entertaining.

Anonymous said...

Since 2:32PM is so sure about what the lawyers will tell us, why is it so difficult to get an answer from anyone?

Charlie Hubbard said...

To 2:32 (anonymous)
All I can say is 'your' analogy differs from those at our last law firm.
However that was verbal and they admitted they needed to reserch it which and that is the point.

This has nothing to do with any kind of animus to the union - it is however EVERTHING to do with the board representing the people who elected them - the taxpayers.

Charlie Hubbard said...

To 2:32 (anonymous)
All I can say is 'your' analogy differs from those at our last law firm.
However that was verbal and they admitted they needed to reserch it which and that is the point.

This has nothing to do with any kind of animus to the union - it is however EVERTHING to do with the board representing the people who elected them - the taxpayers.

Anonymous said...

The release time issue is interesting but it would probably be settled in a court of law for now and not the school board

I'm very concerned by the part of the thread that I am reading here about the decline in town services.

Besides being an election issue, it is really important to know what our town leaders are doing

Anonymous said...

Just curious - if all the provisions of the contract remain the same under the Taylor Law, what would make someone think that release time would not be included in that? Who agreed to even give them release time in the first place, and for what? Insane we are paying $100,000 for them to not teach, what do they do at union office anyway? Who are they accountable to when they are there? They do whatever they want.

Anonymous said...

Why is the district paying for the union to have a full-time leader? BECAUSE THE BOARD OF EDUCATION WANTS TO! They are under no obligation to do so, unless they bind themselves as as part of the collective bargaining process. THEY DID AND CONTINUE TO DO SO.

This ain't rocket science, boys and girls. You don't like it? Then elect people to the board who believes like you do. Or, you can p!55 and moan on a blog as if your words meant something in the real world.

Anonymous said...

What does "Approval of Engagement of Attorney" mean? Which attorney? Engagement to do what? If an attorney is already "engaged" doing something, shouldn't it have been approved by the board BEFORE the "engagement" began??

Anonymous said...

What I'm hearing here it that the Board, Scats, Charlie Hubbard, and taxpayers are all about keeping the Administration accountable. Surely they can appreciate the teachers wanting to do the same thing.

The 1.0 release is what this is about. WIth 20 schools and 68 administrators it's normal to have misunderstandings on established agreements.

With 68.0 administrators keeping the teachers accountable, 1.0 teachers to advocate for the consistent enforcement of established agreements is key. Having this advocate goes a long way toward building teacher/administration trust.

The 1.0 also helps save the taxpayers from unnecessary lawsuits. There is less damage if things are resolved quickly. As a result, the 1.0 is part insurance, even a well paid senior teacher is cheaper than a lawyer or a lawsuit.

With Taylor/Triborough aside, I believe this is money spent wisely.

Anonymous said...

So, 6/21/09, 12:48AM......if this Union Head is sooooo important to the teacher's union in making sure the district/board follows all the assinine provisions in your contract then I suggest YOUR UNION pay for the $100,000 it costs taxpayers to have the union heads sit in their office all day!!!!!

No wonder public education is going down the tubes.

Anonymous said...

6:06, allow me to introduce you to 8:44. Your suggestion should go to the Board of Education and your vote should go to people who are willing to run for the Board of Education, who share your point of view.

Until then, maybe you could save some of your own money by establishing a Florida residence, while financing a coup in the NY legislature that wastes even more money than you personally saved. Oh, don't worry, we'll still think that you are a rock star and hang on your every word.

Anonymous said...

To 6:06--what I believe you did not hear in the comment before yours was that it saves the taxpayers money, not the teachers, to have GTA leadership work on fixing "problems" before they are taken to expensive lawyers, so again the benefit is for the taxpayer.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps 8;35 could give an example of this "savings" to the taxpayers.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, 8:35AM....I am 6:06AM and I too would love to have you give me and other Taxpayers specific examples of how us paying a $100,000 a year to have union heads sitting in an office all day SAVES us money? Do we re-coup the $100,000 in salaries each year having these union watch dogs in place?????

It is all the same B.S. no matter which teacher's union the taxpayers deal with in NYS. They all have the same sorry exuses for the existinence of a union for people who want to be treated and paid as professionals.

SCATS said...

To 12:48AM ~~ I'm all about keeping EVERYONE accountable. All parties need to do their jobs to their best ability :)

SCATS said...

To 4:15pm on 6/20/09 ~~ Here's a list of some stuff I know the Town of Greece has eliminated, downsized or turned over to others in the last 25 years. These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head.

Spring town-wide clean-up

Fall leaf bags

Dredging Braddock's marina area

Trimming trees town planted in residential areas (DESPITE their
Tree City status)

Removing trash from town parks

Calls taken by Animal Control (you must call 911 now)

Reduced snowplowing of many side streets/neighborhoods

Turned over water billing, etc to Monroe County (no politics there!)

Reduced code enforcement (Just try to get them out to look at a problem in your neighborhood)

Reduced library hours/operations on weekends/holidays

Eliminated Youth Bureau and all its counseling services to youth and families

Eliminated truant officers

I'd love to hear from others about anything that didn't make it onto my list.

Anonymous said...

Like the county libraries we are now charged to have an item sent to our library and there is a charge for a reserve.
We used to get the snow plowed on both side of the street sidewalks....that goes way back.
They used to plant trees on the part of our yards that belong to the town for free.
But let us not forget how you can tell the difference between Greece and city streets in the winter. Our town plows better than the city who doesn't plow at all and the east side suburbs who plow inefficiently.

Anonymous said...

I called animal control about a year ago. They were indifferent and awful.

SCATS said...

To 2:58PM ~~ The fact that Greece plows better than the city is irrelevant. We aren't paying city taxes and getting "free" garbage removal. The fact is, I've watched as the frequency has diminished from years gone by within Greece. They used to plow my area after a couple inches of snow. Now we're lucky if they make a pass through after 5-6 inches. There are days when school buses have trouble.